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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianB View Post
    Hi Damien,

    What’s it like “in the cup”?

    Can you taste the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrebird View Post
    Food safe (= USFDA approved) grades of both PMMA* and polycarbonate are available. Since polycarbonates** are a class of polymers, not a single molecular entity, it is not very helpful to state that "polycarbonate is food safe".



    * PMMA = Polymethylmethacrylate, often called acrylic, one early version known as perspex because it was exceptionally optically clear.


    **They all have carbonate groups in the structure, usually at the linkage site between monomers, hence the name. The original version of polycarbonate (Lexan) is entirely composed of deprotonated Bisphenol A (BPA). Although tests have shown that there is little or no leaching of BPA from these polymers, most food manufacturers now use the alternative forms that don't contain it in the first place so they can claim their products are BPA free.
    I'm an engineer with 30 years experience in the food manufacturing industry.
    What are your qualifications and experience?

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    here we go! another pissin contest.
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    I made the hole bigger, that didn't help.
    I made a coffee and realised my grind was too fine, which is weird, because when removing the mod to enlarge the hole, I pulled the burs out again and cleaned every thing and recalibrated, which i did when fitting the mode the first time too. But both times the grind was too fine set on 11. A coarser setting was about twice as quick to grind. But it did pour too fast, so was too coarse.

    I went through 200g of beans, I couldn't get it dialled in. I think it must have been retain grinds at times, because some pucks were hitting the shower screen. Anyway, I took the mod out, and set it to 11, my usual setting and made a coffee, it all worked as usual.
    I'm going to play with this more, but for now I only have Yeman Mocha beens ready, and as they are no longer available, I'm not keen to waste them on this. I will roast some other beans to play with late.
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    just to give some time differences
    for similar grind range, maybe a little coarser, with mod fitted 37s to 45s, I only timed one with out, it took 23s, so it is a little slower.

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    I found a video that was similar time to that with no mod, so I made a side by side.
    https://youtu.be/cidB6_izKKs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phils View Post
    I'm an engineer with 30 years experience in the food manufacturing industry.
    What are your qualifications and experience?

    I am interested in any information you have that contradicts mine and would be happy to discuss the issue on that basis.

    Not interested in argument by appeal to authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    here we go! another pissin contest.
    but there’s only one entrant in this contest
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    So, I've just got an advert on Instagram for a Niche zero for $50aus. Super too good to be true considering the price they normally go for, but thought I'd check with you guys to see what you think?
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    Have a look here: https://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/...legit-not.html


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    Whilst it's a matter of time before rip-offs and copycats emerge, if anyone's silly enough to go for a too good to be true offer, they had it coming.

    Guess it's a greed thing.

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    Unfortunate, this has the potential to do enormous damage to the brand name, the sad thing is there is very little anyone can do about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    ... the sad thing is there is very little anyone can do about it.
    Well, if we all bought from reputable sources such as CS site sponsors, it would help.
    There's the old adage "buy cheap, buy twice" that I find to be mostly true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Unfortunate, this has the potential to do enormous damage to the brand name, the sad thing is there is very little anyone can do about it.
    Meh- Martin is doing that really well and single-handedly.

    Job 1: Appoint local importer to hold stock, build the brand presence in Australia, provide parts and aftersales support- and then screw them and all the local resellers including CS sponsors over by undercutting them all with a low buy price and freight/gst/warranty in the UK...

    Job 2: Try to rebuild reputation
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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    Well, if we all bought from reputable sources such as CS site sponsors, it would help.
    There's the old adage "buy cheap, buy twice" that I find to be mostly true.

    I hear what you say Flynn, unfortunately the average consumer does little more than basic research and is strongly influenced by price,my guess is they will sell heaps of the knock offs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    ...my guess is they will sell heaps of the knock offs.
    Yep- No doubt it won't be long until we see something at 1/2 the price and 10% different out of Asia...
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    Wink

    Hi all, been away for a while, besides Australia is a long way away. Someone mentioned about the DC motor....I have a long term test one that's been running for over 2 years now, ground around 80 or 90kg+, so far no problems. Another guy on the UK forum left a Niche running for 3 days (he had it on a timer and it came on while he was away, switch in up position), he arrived home to find it running <I had a laugh>. That's a test I never did, 20 or 30 minutes running was the longest I did. Apparently it wasn't warm and seemed to work just fine.

    The NFC Disk works really nice and I did a written review with a bit more background. I didn't include various grind tests I did just to keep it simple, but it does significantly reduce grind size variance as the amount of beans in the grinder diminishes.

    https://coffeeequipmentreviews.wordp...-control-disk/

    Hope it's going well and keep that lid closed so the beans don't all end up on the ceiling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeinator View Post
    Meh- Martin is doing that really well and single-handedly.

    Job 1: Appoint local importer to hold stock, build the brand presence in Australia, provide parts and aftersales support- and then screw them and all the local resellers including CS sponsors over by undercutting them all with a low buy price and freight/gst/warranty in the UK...

    Job 2: Try to rebuild reputation
    Caffeinator that is really disappointing to read. Can't help but feel bad for ECA, it also takes some shine of the product when you question the integrity of the organisation.

    You wonder what is better, a large faceless organisation where dirty laundry, if any, is behind closed doors or the upfront social media approach where you know all about the designer and family behind it, then feel disappointment when you find they are equally happy to screw people.
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    I have no idea or investment either way, but they're could have been other reasons the relationship broke down
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    Where are you guys getting this from? Australian delivery isn't an option from the Niche indiegogo site. ECA still list Niche as a brand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrajag View Post
    Where are you guys getting this from? Australian delivery isn't an option from the Niche indiegogo site. ECA still list Niche as a brand?
    Both this morning and right now, the third and fourth grinders on the indiegogo site ONLY ship to Australia and NZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrajag View Post
    Where are you guys getting this from? Australian delivery isn't an option from the Niche indiegogo site. ECA still list Niche as a brand?
    From the Niche FB page on which they promoted the new arrangements a week ago. They pulled the post when I criticised it. As close to 1st hand as I have.

    I have little doubt that ECA would wish to continue selling the product which they have very successfully launched in Australia.

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    Caffeinator, what was the reason in the post for offering another channel?

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    Ah I see, I hadn't scrolled enough, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Caffeinator, what was the reason in the post for offering another channel?
    100% speculation as there was no reason cited in the FB post. I can only guess that it may be about $$$ in the pockets of Niche?

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    Are Niche's serialised? I can't imagine they offer better backup from the UK, but also cant imagine they would expect ECA to look after their clients

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec View Post
    Another guy on the UK forum left a Niche running for 3 days (he had it on a timer and it came on while he was away, switch in up position), he arrived home to find it running <I had a laugh>. That's a test I never did, 20 or 30 minutes running was the longest I did. Apparently it wasn't warm and seemed to work just fine.
    Wooow, just imagine how many kilos that would grind up!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Are Niche's serialised?
    What? Like Coronation Street? You could be onto something there
    Is looking more like it every day
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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Are Niche's serialised? I can't imagine they offer better backup from the UK, but also cant imagine they would expect ECA to look after their clients
    Yes- Each Niche has a serial #. I also can't imagine that ECA would be inclined to provide their same (high) level of service for UK stock either- and why should they?
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    Fashioned myself a CFD for my Niche for the hell of it out of some aluminium plate. Yep stopped the popcorning, maybe even a fraction quicker grind time as you are not waiting for a few rogue beans not accepting their inevitable. Taste?? Well I’m not going to BS with a pile of superlatives as my palate is not that refined, I just like good coffee so it still tastes S@@t hot. I did have to adjust a couple of notches finer......
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    Can you share dimensions and cutout size? Keen to give it a go and have some scrap stainless around

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    42mm dia disk. 6mm centre hole. 13mm wide cut out and 14mm deep towards the centre from the circumference. I am trying this with sheet alu at the mo and it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    Can you share dimensions and cutout size? Keen to give it a go and have some scrap stainless around
    Ok, very similar dimensions to noonar’s. 40mm across with 6mm centre hole. Slot is 11mm wide and 13mm deep(from outer edge to the centre) I also filed a 45ish degree slope on the leading and trailing edges of the slot to “assist” the beans to enter the burrs....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mono View Post
    Taste?? Well I’m not going to BS with a pile of superlatives as my palate is not that refined, I just like ......
    Oh Man .....you mean you've never had the coffee super org..mic experience of identifying the 'heighend' flavour of .....
    Crushed Metal road base...
    or even ......
    Bitumin'ous hot mix???

    Could I suggest ...you wanna get around to more cafe's Mono
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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeeguy84 View Post
    Oh Man .....you mean you've never had the coffee super org..mic experience of identifying the 'heighend' flavour of .....
    Crushed Metal road base...
    or even ......
    Bitumin'ous hot mix???

    Could I suggest ...you wanna get around to more cafe's Mono
    Or at least road works sites
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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeeguy84 View Post
    flavour of .....
    Crushed Metal road base...
    or even ......
    Bitumin'ous hot mix???
    Sounds like some of the Islay whiskies in my collection
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    NicheDiscOL.jpgThis is a good starting point for the disc dims. Tweek from here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulacrum View Post
    Sounds like some of the Islay whiskies in my collection
    You didn't mention the fermented dead seal flavours and a hit of iodine from the seaweed.

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    I've just recently upgraded from a Baratza Sette 270Wi and was a little reluctant but in hindsight very happy. When cleaning the Sette, even though minimal - there were a lot of beans sitting in the machine still. Single dosing is something that you get used to straight away and everything seems so much fresher. Having the Acaia Lunar scales also made it a no-brainer.

    Thank you 10% off Ebay hot tip from a site sponsor also!

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    PS - The popcorning doesn't worry me in the slightest. I mean . . . just how much of a hurry are you in?

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    Just to return to clumping with Niche grinder.

    I was adding grinds by putting PF on top of SS container and then turning over but then having trouble with clumping. I think it was level3ninja (thanks) who said he had no problems but was gently pouring grinds into PF using a Decent Espresso dosing ring.

    NO CLUMPING! Feathery grinds easily smoothed with a little shake and gentle tap. Then once SS container has been emptied I find a tap with tamper handle on the container bottom leaves it clean of residual grinds.

    When the grinds are 'dumped' in it must compact them and they are then a pain to try and get smooth.

    Thanks level3ninja
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    Niche arrived last night!

    Now, six shots later, my early impression is that it is a very worthwhile upgrade from a Eureka Mignon. No clumping at all, none. (Mignon is a clump monster, at least where I live.) The conical grind is different, of course. After dialing in to 20g in / 45g out / 30 secs, the same medium roast blend (Sermon from Verve Roasters) has much more body and flavor richness in the cup. I can’t wait to try out some more beans.

    Two other notes. First, I’m not crazy about placing the PF directly on top of the cup and inverting. I get a better distribution by using my existing aluminum PF funnel and pouring the grinds into the PF, tapping the side of the PF a few times, and then applying a distribution tool to level. Involved as this is, it still saves time over the Mignon, whose clumps required vigorous WDT to break up.

    Second, the same 20g of beans dialed in as described above leaves a few mm more headroom in my PF than it did with my Mignon. I assume this is a byproduct of the conical burrs which produce bimodal grounds, and which perhaps take up less volume when tamped. This extra headroom results in a longer preinfusion, which might be responsible for some of the difference in the cup.

    Anyhow, money well spent!
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