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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Contribution 1191, got this yesterday:

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    I find there is harldy any retention (less than 0.1g) on mine. I have noticed that the grind if fluffier than on the Atom but nothing that I have found makes the pour any less consistent.... the taste however is much better and seems to me to be smoother.

    Re the wooden parts... I love the sound of the timber lid with spy glass. May be if the wonderfully talented Mr Wilcox reads this thread he might work some magic .

    Loving this grinder and for me it is just about perfect.

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    I find there are some occassions, like noonar reported, where accidental bumpon the Niche leads to some loose grounds falling out of the chute. Sometimes I would turn on the Niche first before putting in new beans to get some of these loose grounds out, i think static electricity might play some part in this. However, grind retention has been minimal, 0.1-0.2 at most for me (my scale only goes to the first decimal). Overall, been super happy with the Niche, although I love my hand grinders, the Niche has definitely improved my work flow, and gave me more chances to do tasting of newly roasted batches of different beans.
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    Hey Jono...

    Just a thought , as I know you are keen to grind directly into the portafilter, but have you considered cutting the bottom of the cup off ?

    This would allow you to insert cup and grind direct. You would avoid the overspill as the cup would catch a direct the grind where it needs to go.

    It might solve your dilema ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggers View Post
    Hey Jono...

    Just a thought , as I know you are keen to grind directly into the portafilter, but have you considered cutting the bottom of the cup off ?

    This would allow you to insert cup and grind direct. You would avoid the overspill as the cup would catch a direct the grind where it needs to go.

    It might solve your dilema ;-)
    I've ordered a jam cup/funnel it has a large opening and goes down to the size of the portafilter, I'll see how that goes. Thank you for the suggestion.

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    Arrived this arvo. Set up and lookin forward to tomorrow morning's coffee(s).


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    Quote Originally Posted by theonetruepath View Post
    Contribution 1191, got this yesterday:

    Your order has been dispatched

    Your order from Niche Coffee Ltd has been dispatched and will be delivered to:
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    Hi.

    Have you received your grinder yet? I am number 1194 and based in the UK so thought I might have had mine by now.

    I'm glad to see that the feedback from this forum is mostly positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvartet View Post
    Arrived this arvo. Set up and lookin forward to tomorrow morning's coffee(s).

    That is one great looking coffee area, How are you enjoying it?

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    I'm sure this is week 4 with the Niche for me. This grinder is definitely performance enhancing in my case as I have been single dosing with a mini e for a long time, the mini e has been relegated to the dining table and forgotten about (almost). Had six different SO beans at different roast levels to hand last week (coincidence), Tiger Hill, Sidamo, Brazil, Columbia, Indo and Rwanda all roasted at different times within 3 weeks of each other, the Tiger was bought from a local roaster (Brewed Awakening) the others were homies. Switching back and forth with the Niche is not only a quick breeze it's fun too - unbelievable I know! Grinding into the cup, swish, pour into PF, collapse, index finger level, light tamp and pull, 19g into a 18g VST, 36g out in 40sec, consistently consistent. Great Grinder for me. Still early days. No I have never used a Vario :-)
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    So today was the day they estimated it would be delivered. Checked the web site at 9am. "Delivered and signed for". They managed to sneak up to the house without alerting the hair trigger dog and propped the box up against a pillar and snuck off.

    So far:
    1. Takes 15 secs instead of 25s (comparing the Rancilio Rocky with new burrs) or 65s (Rocky with 13-year old burrs)
    2. Wife's take on the sound level: Run it, I'll come and listen. Me: I already did. Three times. Compared to the Rocky, which prevented my wife from talking on the phone 20 meters away a few days ago: Inaudible. I mean, I can hear it easily, but outside the kitchen you would have to be close and listening for it.
    3. Grind "efficiency" - First 18g dose, 16.9g into the stainless cup. By the third dose: 18g in, 18g out within my scale's accuracy which reads in 0.1g divisions but is probably only 0.2g accurate. It's a cheap Ebay drug dealer scale I found under a bridge about 8 years back in a plastic bag with some other dodgy looking stuff while netting fish.
    4. Grind looks consistent, taste was spot on, but my Breville DB is now the weak link.

    Calibration was spot on as delivered, I set it to 20 and got a 25 second pour with 18g of Ethiopia Biftu Geisha Sundried, and a 21-second pour with 18g of Colombia Volcan Galeras Especial. I have the Breville set to give 32g using volume dosing. It's not super accurate, but if you stick to the same time for each brew it's a lot better.

    I suspect that grind consistency is now at the point that I will be able to find the 25-second grind setting for every bean, then when I blend two beans I will grind each on its own setting and end up with close to 25-second pours every time. As time goes on I will be more easily be able to compare 25-second pours with 30-second pours etc.

    I have adapted rather easily to the "stainless cup tipping into the PF" instead of the "hopper modified for single dosing" of the Rocky. I won't miss the 60 seconds or so of digging out the grinds from the chute and running the motor again and pumping the lid and digging again to try and reduce the 'beans in transit'. Also my dicky little scale can tare with the empty stainless cup and weigh the beans before and then the grinds after, which is handy. I do notice that a few tenths of a gram fall out if you deliver a small bump to the Niche after grinding, so I will probably incorporate that step.

    I just have to be careful to use pencil for the settings until things bed down over the first two weeks.

    So far very happy, and finally I feel that my grinder is good enough that I should probably be looking at a better espresso maker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldwarkid View Post
    Hi.

    Have you received your grinder yet? I am number 1194 and based in the UK so thought I might have had mine by now.

    I'm glad to see that the feedback from this forum is mostly positive.
    Yes I have it as of this morning but mine was white and if yours is black then you're in a different queue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono_Willmer View Post
    That is one great looking coffee area, How are you enjoying it?
    Thanks!

    I was pleasantly surprised by the grinder.

    I wasn't really keen on its looks from the photos I've seen on social media. And I didn't really think the Niche would add much to my coffee experience (i.e. taste in cup, single dosing workflow, quietness) compared to the HG-1.
    I was really just buying the Niche as I have small children in the house, and the HG-1 is not very kid friendly; with the easily accessible burrs and freely spinning fly wheel. So the plan was to put the HG-1 away until the kids are older and use the Niche for the interim years.

    It will take me a few weeks to be able to compare taste in cup, but if this morning's coffee is anything to go by, I have nothing to worry about. Doesn't feel like a "step-down" at all.

    The Niche looks really good in-person. I might stain the wood features so it matches the dark wood shelves I have, but the wife thinks it looks great.

    Workflow is almost the same, except no WDT or RDT. Definitely faster as I can do things while it's grinding (not something that was possible with the HG-1).
    I will miss the hand grinding. It was kind of therapeutic. And the feedback (aroma and bean hardness) when grinding was quite enjoyable.
    I've never been the type to want to rush making coffees, but I think entertaining guests will be a lot less time consuming.

    I like the grind cup. I use an OE tall funnel to dose the Cremina basket. Worked well. And distribution was quite simple.
    I will play around with using the blind tumbler with the Niche, as the generation 1 tumbler actually fits under the grind chute.

    The most pleasant thing is how quiet it is. The HG-1 has a higher pitched noise when grinding. Not annoying. But the Niche is like a low rumble. Love that. Kids and wife won't wake up early in the morning.

    Looking forward to the next few days and weeks to experiment.
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    It's really sounding like such a great grinder, appreciate all the reviews guys, it's great reading them. Keep em comin!

    Just a question, do you find it's easy to get back to the exact grind setting when changing betweens different beans? It's not stepped adjustment is it... so just curious if you are able to replicate going back and forward easily? The numbers on the collar easy to go back to etc? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    It's really sounding like such a great grinder, appreciate all the reviews guys, it's great reading them. Keep em comin!

    Just a question, do you find it's easy to get back to the exact grind setting when changing betweens different beans? It's not stepped adjustment is it... so just curious if you are able to replicate going back and forward easily? The numbers on the collar easy to go back to etc? Thanks!
    Changing the setting is super quick and easy. If you are going from super coarse pour-over to Turkish and back every day you probably wouldn't like it quite so much. But changing to different beans all for espresso is a split second's work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theonetruepath View Post
    Changing the setting is super quick and easy. If you are going from super coarse pour-over to Turkish and back every day you probably wouldn't like it quite so much. But changing to different beans all for espresso is a split second's work.
    Awesome, thanks for that good to know

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    Quote Originally Posted by theonetruepath View Post
    Yes I have it as of this morning but mine was white and if yours is black then you're in a different queue.
    Thanks for that. Mine is white as well, so I've sent them an email today asking when I'll recieve it. I'm not in any great rush but I'm worried that something is amiss now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    It's really sounding like such a great grinder, appreciate all the reviews guys, it's great reading them. Keep em comin!

    Just a question, do you find it's easy to get back to the exact grind setting when changing betweens different beans? It's not stepped adjustment is it... so just curious if you are able to replicate going back and forward easily? The numbers on the collar easy to go back to etc? Thanks!
    It goes back and forth well, the thing I find amazing is how easy the adjustment is to turn, there seems to be such little resistance, though it doesn't shift during operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldwarkid View Post
    Thanks for that. Mine is white as well, so I've sent them an email today asking when I'll recieve it. I'm not in any great rush but I'm worried that something is amiss now.
    What was your contributor number coldwarkid? I'm over 1300 so I think November is the likely delivery month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono_Willmer View Post
    It goes back and forth well, the thing I find amazing is how easy the adjustment is to turn, there seems to be such little resistance, though it doesn't shift during operation.
    Ah right, very cool.. has been good reading the journey, sound like they're truly what they're cracked up to be!
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    yeah, i have a serious case of the wants.. never know maybe i'll still destroy my ROK during the burrset upgrade and need to buy something.
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    Mine (1160, black) arrived today with special extra bonus: two manuals!

    It would have been here yesterday except Fastway in Sydney helpfully changed the correct address to somewhere else, presumably because they had not heard of this suburb in this postcode area. When it returned to the local depot last night, someone with a large black Texta made life good again.

    I have always thought well of people with large black Textas.


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    Quote Originally Posted by beensean View Post
    Mine (1160, black) arrived today with special extra bonus: two manuals!

    It would have been here yesterday except Fastway in Sydney helpfully changed the correct address to somewhere else, presumably because they had not heard of this suburb in this postcode area. When it returned to the local depot last night, someone with a large black Texta made life good again.

    I have always thought well of people with large black Textas.

    Haha yeah I had issues with Fastway delivering too. They said they attempted delivery at 2:30pm Monday arvo, but the premises were not attended/no-one was present to sign. So it went to the local depot.

    The delivery address was a retail shop front.. open 9-6pm weekdays..

    Luckily the local depot is the newsagency across the mall from the shop. Otherwise I would of been pretty pissed.

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    They left mine at the front door. No knock - nuttn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    They left mine at the front door. No knock - nuttn.
    Ha! We just call them Slow-way here in Perth. Takes weeks to get across the Nullarbor... apparently...
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    Used it this morning. So that is what fluffy grounds look like.
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    Yeah it really does produce fluffy mounds of joy

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    Any Niche owners seeing the grind calibration 'drift' issue that seems to be experienced by a small percentage of owners and being reported in other forum OS?


    I really like the Niche but usually avoid Vers 1.0 products so am keen to understand how these units hold up under real-world usage.
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    Nope not here, but only 4 weeks light use ownership - still early days.


    Quote Originally Posted by SanderP View Post
    Any Niche owners seeing the grind calibration 'drift' issue that seems to be experienced by a small percentage of owners and being reported in other forum OS?


    I really like the Niche but usually avoid Vers 1.0 products so am keen to understand how these units hold up under real-world usage.
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    Yes,

    I have this. At first I thought I was imagining; then I thought that I was turning the mechanism when "tapping" on the lid.

    I decided to unscrew the "hopper" and noticed that grinds were stuck in the thread which was lubricated.
    I am not sure how grinds got into there, but with the thread cleaned, I have not had any drift since.

    Interestingly enough, once I removed the grind, my espresso setting had to be set finer by about 6 dots, so it was making a HUGE difference.

    Also interesting, with the sette, when the shim plates had uneven build-up, you could instantly taste the quality difference. (i.e. was cleaning the shims out every 2 to 3 days).
    With the niche, it wasnt as transparent. I more noticed the drift because the yield was out.
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    Looks like the next load of grinders are shipping. I just got my dispatch notification. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebem View Post
    Looks like the next load of grinders are shipping. I just got my dispatch notification. :-)
    My ETA is Thursday ......Oh the anticipation for me and my DE1+ ...... how many sleeps is it :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downunder55 View Post
    My ETA is Thursday ......Oh the anticipation for me and my DE1+ ...... how many sleeps is it :-)
    Hopefully Christmas will come early for you.

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    Yeah I have had the dispatch notification and an address confirmation email from aramex but no tracking #. Emailed Niche and James responded promptly that a tracking # would be available the following day, guess what nada..... I’ll wait and see what Thursday brings.........

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    I had a look at the tracking link supplied today, here is a quick copy and past from it.


    Download our app here >

    Never miss a parcel delivery again
    Your Niche Coffee Ltd parcel number (I deleted it!).

    Your parcel has arrived at the local delivery depot, on 02 Dec 2018

    Your parcel is due for delivery Thursday.

    Where has my parcel been?
    Date & Time Location Description
    02 Dec 2018 12:48 Australia Your parcel has arrived at the local delivery depot
    02 Dec 2018 10:09 Australia The parcel has cleared Customs. Track your parcel here for regular updates.
    30 Nov 2018 09:52 United Kingdom The parcel is in transit on its way to its final destination.
    30 Nov 2018 04:01 Hub 3 - Bham Your parcel has left the United Kingdom and is on its way to Australia
    30 Nov 2018 02:28 Hub 3 - Bham We have X-rayed your parcel as part of our normal security procedures
    30 Nov 2018 02:27 Hub 3 - Bham We have your parcel and it's on its way to our depot
    29 Nov 2018 23:57 Hub 2 - Bham We have your parcel and it's on its way to our depot
    29 Nov 2018 17:46 Portsmouth We have your parcel and it's on its way to you
    29 Nov 2018 12:17 Niche Coffee Ltd We've received your order details, and we're expecting your parcel shortly
    Additional information

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    I hope someone with a Eureka Atom can comment on this. But how is the noise vs the Atom?

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    Thanks Topshot, I’ll revisit my received emails and see if there is the link etc to the app.....

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    The link was in an email I received from Niche last Thursday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topshot View Post
    The link was in an email I received from Niche last Thursday.
    Yep so I have discovered..... clicking on the app button gave me basically what you had. My unit is apparently at the local delivery depot and scheduled for delivery Thursday which is cool. I’m going to inspect it and turn it on, all being good it will go back in it’s box until 25/12......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altiplano View Post
    I hope someone with a Eureka Atom can comment on this. But how is the noise vs the Atom?
    I don't have an Atom, but my dad does and without having them side by side I'd have to say I think that the Niche is quieter, the tone is different the Niche less high pitched. I wouldn't say it fades into the background though.

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    Trigger pulled, they've promised to ship it priority early January so i can receive it before departing for a 3 week holiday on the 12th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono_Willmer View Post
    I don't have an Atom, but my dad does and without having them side by side I'd have to say I think that the Niche is quieter, the tone is different the Niche less high pitched. I wouldn't say it fades into the background though.
    Perfect - appreciate the feedback. I was after a ballpark sense and you hit the nail on the head.

    I haven't really been following the Niche Zero as it's been a recent discovery for me.
    Without wishing to derail the thread, anyone care to explain why they've chosen this over what they currently have?
    - I think it's still relevant to talk about pros/cons...

    For what it's worth, I'm cross shopping the Eureak Atom/Mignon Perfetto.

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    Santa arrived this morning, 2 days earlier than the anticipated Thursday delivery .... got to be happy with that

    Niche looks just beautiful, well made, well packaged .............. now I have no excuses to make a great coffee !

    IMG_1152.jpg

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    you definitely have no excuses downunder55. Sweet rig!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downunder55 View Post
    Santa arrived this morning, 2 days earlier than the anticipated Thursday delivery .... got to be happy with that

    Niche looks just beautiful, well made, well packaged .............. now I have no excuses to make a great coffee !

    IMG_1152.jpg
    Perfect combo!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altiplano View Post
    Without wishing to derail the thread, anyone care to explain why they've chosen this over what they currently have?
    - I think it's still relevant to talk about pros/cons...
    My reasons:

    Firstly, it is a good grinder, just looking at the major claimed features and reports thereon.

    Secondly, it suits my workflow (and most home ones I suspect) to single-dose rather than needing a hopper full of beans, the latter having its own problems with grind consistency and with degradation.

    Thirdly, I like to dose by weight directly rather than even slightly approximating it by time, especially the fact that you measure beans in as your result out.

    Fourthly, it is indeed relatively quiet, on which my partner commented. It is also relatively small and neat in appearance.

    My experience after six weeks is that I could not be happier with my choice, in every respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downunder55 View Post
    Santa arrived this morning, 2 days earlier than the anticipated Thursday delivery .... got to be happy with that

    Niche looks just beautiful, well made, well packaged .............. now I have no excuses to make a great coffee !

    IMG_1152.jpg
    Looks amazing!

    Just looking at the pic and thinking just how far espresso brewing has come with these two items next to each other, how surreal huh

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    My Niche arrived today, two days ahead of ETA. No complaints there!

    The thing looks tiny next to the Compak K10 WBC, but it's quieter when grinding believe it or not!

    I through some oldish beans through it to "clean" the burs of anything that might have been on them, oil etc.

    Then the test run.
    18.01 grams into it 17.98 came out, no complaints about grind retention there. Pulled a shot which was way too fast.
    Adjusted a bit finer, ground another lot, locked, loaded and pulled another, which was 58gm out for 18gm in 30 seconds, I thought this was too fast!
    Decided to taste it and it tasted great, very balanced (Panamar Rati Hartmann Black Honey roasted to about 1-2C before 2nd crack 17 days ) so the 3 to 1 ratio worked out well.
    I'll try it set finer tomorrow to try a 2 to 1 ratio.

    I used a 18gm VST basket in a naked handle.
    I didn't do much as far as distribution, just taped it with my palm to level the grounds and tamped.
    No channeling at all with a real gloopy start of the pour.

    If it keeps this up, there will be a Compak K10 for sale in a couple of weeks!
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    Any of the Coffee Snobs collective have enough economics smarts (or a crystal ball!) to make the call on what might happen to the UK pound come Brexit . . .

    I am ready to pull the trigger on a Niche but wouldn't object to saving some money courtesy of favourable exchange rates.

    First world problems!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beensean View Post
    My reasons:

    Firstly, it is a good grinder, just looking at the major claimed features and reports thereon.

    Secondly, it suits my workflow (and most home ones I suspect) to single-dose rather than needing a hopper full of beans, the latter having its own problems with grind consistency and with degradation.

    Thirdly, I like to dose by weight directly rather than even slightly approximating it by time, especially the fact that you measure beans in as your result out.

    Fourthly, it is indeed relatively quiet, on which my partner commented. It is also relatively small and neat in appearance.

    My experience after six weeks is that I could not be happier with my choice, in every respect.
    I second that review in every way... could not be happier with mine and given the cost vs performance of the Niche vs more expensive grinders it is a winner on every front.

    Go on.. you won't regret it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SanderP View Post
    Any of the Coffee Snobs collective have enough economics smarts (or a crystal ball!) to make the call on what might happen to the UK pound come Brexit . . .

    I am ready to pull the trigger on a Niche but wouldn't object to saving some money courtesy of favourable exchange rates.

    First world problems!
    The cost vs enjoyment ratio will outweigh any small savings you would make from a fluctuating pound.... Stop making excuses ;-)
    justacuppa, SanderP and beensean like this.



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