Some of the statements on their website seem particularly grandiose.
Be interesting to hear/see some more details...
Wondering if this would have mad static like a EM0440 🤡
Just bringing awareness from the other side of the world...
One of the members in the UK coffee forums had one for evaluation for a whole week, and the feedback so far is encouraging and very positive.
There are some feedback in the UK coffee forums.
A motorised single dosing grinder at an affordable price. What else would one expect? :-)
You can subscribe on their website to qualify for a 30% discount on the first production units.
Some of the statements on their website seem particularly grandiose.
Be interesting to hear/see some more details...
Wondering if this would have mad static like a EM0440 🤡
It's actually an "up to 30%" discount.
As to grandiose claims: quote
"It occurred to Martin that the basic design of the coffee grinder hadnít changed since the 1950ís Ė and most other technologies have changed almost beyond recognition in that time span.
Martin saw an opportunity to design and build a revolutionary coffee grinder incorporating game-changing technology and he saw an opportunity to bring coffee grinding of the highest professional standards within reach of everyone who loves truly great coffee."
Result: 63mm conical burrs
It is a very neat design though. Their claimed 70 decibels is also at the lower end of most out there. As they say, the proof will be in the pudding.
Can't be too harsh though because on their coffee bean map of the world they did not leave Tassie off. One whole bean. At least that's more than some of our mainland friends can manage at times.
You had me at game-changer! 🤣🤡
Nice pickup on the up to 30% and Tassie being on the map.
All UK made too! The best of British. Queue the two Ronnies and Bennie Hill music.
Jokes aside and I don't want to make a big prediction but I think this might give the Sette 270 a run for its money or I'll drink some coffee. I would offer to eat items of clothing but alas hats are out of fashion. (Ducks and runs for the door - too soon?)
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Looks interesting though I am not sure I would call it revolutionary.. sort of reminds me of the appliances my mum used to have in the 70's especially that little toggle switch on the side.
Would be a nice addition for single dosing though and I will keep an eye on this.
Perhaps I was a little harsh. It is a neat design and the single dosing, with a built in sweeper and very direct path, should minimise retention. The small footprint and claimed quietness will also be welcome in the domestic setting.
The toggle switch doesn't worry me, in fact it is a positive if there is a switch failure, as a replacement can be found at the nearest electronics store. The same doesn 't hold true for many proprietary touch pad switches. It gives a nice retro touch too.
Italian inspired design based on the Leaning Tower of Pisa by the looks.
Yes, definitely get someone reliable and not paid to do a thorough review on it. The devil is in the internals. How good is the motor, drive and stable is the grinding mechanism, quality and design of burrs etc.
It does look like an appliance though made to sit next to a blender.
It is an interesting design, it could be good or bad, no one knows and I wouldn't want to be the first to find out.
Direct Quote from the website- "It is estimated that almost 1/3 of your coffee beans are wasted. This is due to grind getting stuck in the internal grind path of conventional grinders. Surely then, it is imperative that we find a way of grinding that ensures every bean is freshly ground."
Note: I have quoted / copied the full statement from their website, and highlighted a portion which I consider to be clearly wrong and unsupportable.
If not for the "estimate" and "almost" !! .....
My response "Might be" "On any Given Day" "Give or Take a *&% or two" ...
Heaps of high level marketing appeal here ......could ensure a successful launch phase.
But by the time the 'market' realises they've been had....
The whole management team ( read family) will be safely ensconced in Majorca !
Neither is there any evidence, facts or data to back up their grandiose claims ...like..
330RPM is the optimal grind speed.
Grind Retention is the cause for Bitter Burnt Coffee taste.
As for the major design selling point - Zero Grind Retention !
Upon closer reading their design promise quickly becomes ...
* Virtually Zero Grind Retention
Or As per the Quote at the start of my reply....their selling premise is full of BIG hit you in the eye statements, which are
skillfully never fully or factually ever addressed by their so called revolutionary design / website marketing phraseology.
However very skillful in taking a set of burrs which are coincidentally very similar in size to a Set of.....
Mazzer Kony burrs ...
Drop the stated grind speed rpm by 21%+ (Mazzer Kony 420rpm - 50Hz vs 330rpm stated design aim for the Niche Zero)
and bingo Niche Zero can now claim it should / could / may be the quietest Grinder than any before it !
Hmmm maybe I'm wrong and tooooo cynical.....and maybe I've just had too many a very burnt n bitter coffee !
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I'm with you coffeeguy. The second someone says "gamechanger" they have to work twice as hard to sell anything to me.
I don't think the Sette and the like cut it, the quality and the robustness just isn't there. The next steps up like the Mazzer Kony, Macap MD7 and others are generally too big and a big ugly to look good in the kitchen with a single group espresso machine. They are also about $2000.
This grinder, if it is done right, could fill that gap. If you could get the price to about $1000 and it ticked the right boxes, it could probably sell very well.
I am very sceptical about this grinder though as are others and rightly so. The ideal grinder should also be put out by companies with a great track record whom we know will always research and test thoroughly, any product prior to release.
This could be a white elephant and probably is but who knows? It might be the next thing everyone wants as it does the job of a Kony but in a more compact appealing and cheaper package that doesn't look out of place in a kitchen. The zero retention design also suits Snobs who worry about such things.
There is also possibly a good reason as to why the basic design of grinders has not changed since the 1950's... could just be that the long standing design works and other than a new (odd) aesthetics this 'revolutionary' grinder is pretty much the same as any other grinder.... burrs and a motor.
I should say even though the variations between flat burrs and conical burrs are such that I don't think the distinction holds much water.
It is more a function of burr design and particle size distribution is affected by the design of the burrs, not just whether they are conical or not.
Retail price of 499 pounds.... up to 30% off that. So all up would be under a grand.
tempted to get one to use for filter / pour over
There's now a free detailed independent review of this grinder, including videos.
Holy crap that review is a 17 page pdf! So much detail! Who is the reviewer? (DavecUK?)
He has a site with tons of info : http://coffeetime.wikidot.com
A bit dated, but everything you need is there.
He is a well respected authority when it comes to coffee machines and grinders. He even participated in the designs of some machines and gives feedback directly to the manufacturer!
We are very lucky (at CFUK) to have him aboard.
A very comprehensive review, which i learnt a lot from. It looks like a great grinder, that i would be tempted to buy.
I just read the 17 page pdf. Very convincing. Have no doubt it will be made available to Australia, and will end up on many benches including mine.
It's a bit of a heavy read I know, but I like to be thorough, simply because it doesn't do any good to not be tough on it, because this is the time to ensure the design is robust before production starts. Unlike some grinders I could mention. It will be good that you guys can get it in Australia and you have the same voltage as us. I've not posted here for a while, but been a bit busy with various other projects, not coffee related.
If you have any question about the review where it is not clear, or I have not explained very well I will be happy to answer them. Of course I still have to respect some of the design confidentiality, so competitors don't get too much info before it's in production.
Marketing material good job. Prices seems good (€499 = aud$750 before possible discount)
Quality and longevity obvious unknown but not aimed at commercial market so I personally wouldn't expect 10-20 years like a mazzer SJ ect.
Do I like to look? Not really. Do I like the features? Yes.
Power spec it will work in Aust but website says only ships to UK, EU and USA. Can anyone correct this and confirm they ship to Aust?
im at a wedding on launch day / time. Who want to buy me one??
It looks interesting based on the review but I'd wait before getting one just the same. It would be great to have our own canary in the cage and to get their experiences. I read the review and it all makes sense. DC motors these days are amazingly powerful and compact. I think for home use the size is important.
The main thing I don't like is the lack of a portafilter holder.
Same here re: portafilter holder being a downside. These days my workflow is so quick and straightforward and a negative of this grinder is dose to the cup first. If/when I get it will probably get a lyn weber style detached pf holder to sit in front of the grinder
When I read all the amazing steps people take to distribute grounds once in the portafilter, maybe not having one isn't such a bad thing.
On the other hand I am coming to respect that hoppers are not such a bad idea for the same reason.
I have also noticed with these big conical burrs that the grind comes out not at all sticky, like a fine powder snow when it is really cold, no congealing just dry powder. This seems to be a feature of conical grinders properly designed and the hopper maybe helps although if I look in the hopper it is the same, no clumping whatsoever.
The downside to the Robur isn't the cost ($650 second hand) but the size and weight and looks. I don't get buggerall retention either although a small amount of waste in the hopper.
The devil is still in the details. The quality of the grind is dependent on precise burr alignment among other things.
I've been watching this keenly, but hate to see the limited postage locations. Looks like Australia is out.
Yep England has never forgiven Australia for being far far better at cricket........
Wow, I just read the countries they ship to on their web site....sorry guys, what a shame. Perhaps they will change their mind, or it will be different for the crowdfunding. I really hope you guys get a chance to buy this grinder. Or at least smuggle them back in suitcases after a visit to the UK! This is something I guess you would call "getting the rough end of the pineapple."?
Looks like HK and Singapore might be out of luck for a while as well!
I'm sure there's a shipping forwarder in the UK that could handle getting the grinder to Oz, or anywhere else.
Java "There's more than one way to skin a cat" phile
Toys! I must have new toys!!!
I like what I've seen/read so far, great review, and a Niche is on my radar.
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If anyone gets one of these and wants to bring it to my house I'll put an AU plug on it for the cost of the plug.
I looked at parcel forwarding. One company quoted a price equivalent to a round trip ticket to the UK. Not sure why parcels have to be delivered the next day...I can wait a few weeks for it!
It is a niche product.
Just went live on indiegogo. Half of the initial 50 are gone in the first few minutes...
"I looked around on the market and couldn't find a grinder that would do this" - I guess is true when you look around what was available four years ago.
All the best to the Niche lovers wherever Ye may be.
While not quite perfection I'll continue to enjoy my current grinder... and will look forward to seeing what other interesting developments pop up like the Compak PK series and the etzMax.
Make coffee not war. Peace!
You know with espresso machines we have had for years prosumer versions of every type of machine. I mean machines that will last a lifetime, are practically indestructible and are of unimpeachable build quality.
It is starting to happen to grinders too for sure and we have some lovely simple grinders such as the Rocky, my Macap M4D but people still love the full on commercial grinders with big burrs such as the SJ and the Major in flat burr grinders. People want fast, powerful grinders, maybe overdesigned for home use but maybe downsized somewhat for home use, but still of commercial quality. Many people modify them of course with smaller hoppers or maybe none at all.
Conical grinders have prosumer Sette and the like but I consider these somewhat fragile and definitely not over engineered to last a lifetime.
I'm hoping this Niche is the start of powerful, commercial strength CONICAL grinders that are built very robustly but sensibly downsized for smaller scale use.
It makes sense to me along with customised burr sets that can be swapped for different types of grinds.
Some breaking news....it seems they have changed their mind and are now including Australia as a destination they will ship to. In addition they have made more grinders available at £350....so you don't miss out.
Looks like we don't resent you winning the cricket after all.
I assume the version they send to Australia via the indiegogo won't have complete Australian electrical compliance though?
Would love to jump on the bandwagon, but the crowd sourcing fear of not delivering is kicking in. Has anyone jumped on? Give me an excuse to be a sheep.
Hi Charzy, Yep I have given up my hard earned on this Niche project (the extended 350 pound offer). Never crowdsourced anything before because of it's dubious nature... but I like the feel and support behind this one. Other non AUS coffee forums are all over this project and the general feeling is very positive from respected coffee heads... notomention the great prototype review.
That is a decision only you can make. That is always the risk with crowdfunding and unfortunately no one can guarantee what would happen.
Some questions you can ask yourself:
Is it a risk you can bear if it goes belly up? What's your bet on how likely is it for the other end to push through the finishing line? What challenges do you foresee might surface along the way and is it likely for the other end to overcome? Can you trust the other end? What's on the line for them to get this delivered?
To be crude, it's a *risk-calculated* gamble in a way. If you win, you are rewarded with a very nice grinder for a great price. If it goes the other way, you should've been prepared for it before putting your feet in.
It does seem like a very nice grinder made for home users, even when compared to the Monolith I have at the moment for many times the cost (build quality should be different as the Monolith is completely built to over-spec and everything machined - but not everyone needs a bomb-proof perfect grinder, it's just a grinder! ).
Hmmmmm! I find it difficult to understand why anyone would commit/gamble hard earned cash on an unknown/unproven product when there are so many excellent grinders on the market.
Guess it's a little like horse racing, some of us just love a punt.
I decided to back this project. Joined this forum some weeks ago to start researching a grinder/coffee machine upgrade.
From my limited view, dont think theres anything else in the market with large conical burrs, compact, relatively quiet and minimal retention for $640 shipped?
If there is i would cancel it and buy today.
I will probably end up buying this at some stage once its generally available for retail purchase but you guys hopefully all do realise that there is a difference between handing over money to buy this if/when its generally available and gambling to fund an indiegogo campaign that may deliver on time, or 1 year late, or 2 years late, or never.....? For me personally, saving only 30% for a possible delivery date of never doesnt work. Some end of financial year sales on proven products with Australian consumer guarantees offer a greater discount than 30% for next day delivery......
There is also a fat chance the RRP will rise after the launch (if it succeeded). No matter how you look at it, $600 AUD for a 63mm conical grinder (the same burr size used on M Kony - bigger burr = stronger motor needed) is a steal. Same price as a Baratza Sette-W here in Oz! Maybe they did not account for the cost properly? Or if it's a case of true revolution/breakthrough? We don't know...
Add in the warranty and after sales support, retailer's profit etc, the price really does have no way to go but upward.