Results 1 to 19 of 19
Like Tree14Likes
  • 1 Post By Dimal
  • 1 Post By Casa Espresso
  • 3 Post By Chrisj1984
  • 2 Post By Rocky
  • 1 Post By BlackPoison
  • 2 Post By Dimal
  • 1 Post By WhatEverBeansNecessary
  • 2 Post By Yelta
  • 1 Post By Casa Espresso

Thread: Grinder upgrade advice: Rocky vs M2M vs others

  1. #1
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    18

    Grinder upgrade advice: Rocky vs M2M vs others

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hi Snobs,

    My Sunbeam EM4820 has died so I think it's time to buy myself a Silvia. While I'm at it I figure I may as well upgrade my ancient EM0480.

    I'll be using the grinder exclusively for espresso, around 300-500g/week.

    Aside from the obvious 'consistent high-quality grind', I value:
    1. Ease of cleaning/not too much retention of grounds inside the machine
    2. Ease of dialling in a good grind
    3. Durable/easy to get parts for
    4. Usable (consistent) dose timer
    5. Less mess
    6. Quietness would be nice but not essential.

    Should I just get a doserless Rocky? My other options are a Macap M2M, Baratza Sette 270 (advertises itself as high on 1. and 4.). If it was worth it I could maybe stretch to a Macap M2D, Compak K3 Push or Eureka Mignon 50E. Should I save some money and get a Breville Smart Grinder?

  2. #2
    Mal Dimal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Warwick, QLD
    Posts
    16,769
    Where are you located Matt?

    Would be worth your while to arrange some hands-on demonstrations of various grinders within your budget range, at a local friendly Site Sponsor...

    Mal.
    Rolf likes this.

  3. #3
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    18
    I'm in Canberra.

  4. #4
    Site Sponsor Casa Espresso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    747
    Hi Matt,

    Sylvia is a good choice you will find them rock solid.

    The Rocky is a good match and there is certainly something nice about having matching equipment, however there are better grinder options IMO.
    What i don't like about the Rocky is that it is a two handed operation to hold the group handle and then to separately activate the grind switch.

    Macap M2M, Eureka and others are all activated by the handle pressing the activation switch, it is a much better system.

    There is a new Mignon "silenzio" being released in a week or so that will be nice, just depends on your budget.

    We have some good package deals on the Sylvia/Macap/Rocky
    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/rancilio-silvia-v5.html

    Feel free to PM or call if we can help

    Regards

    Antony
    (03) 95308992
    www.casaespresso.com.au
    Dimal likes this.

  5. #5
    Senior Member WhatEverBeansNecessary's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    477
    The Rocky is a great little machine considering the price and build quality. However it has pretty high retnetion and isn't quiet by any stretch. I also found (the doserless model) to be rather messy.
    The biggest drawback however is the stepped adjustments - which can make getting a good shot harder. It is possible to do a small mod to make it stepless, but what's the point of buying a new grinder to only mod it straight away?

    Parts are super easy to get and they basically haven't changed design (apart from a few small things) forever.

    Your other options sound better IMO but if you are planning a trip into sydney in the next few months stop by one of the site sponsors - not sure if there are any in Canberra, they will be all too happy to give you a demo.

  6. #6
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    18
    One thing putting me off the Rocky is the height of the output spout. On my EM0480 I grind straight into a measuring cup on a mini scale. That way I can cut the grinder when I reach the desired dose. The output on the Rocky looks way too high up to run this system, and the base on the M2M doesn't look flat in the photos. Without a dose timer, how do people grind the right amount with no wastage? Are you just going by eye?

  7. #7
    Senior Member WhatEverBeansNecessary's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    477
    Dose only what you need - if you want 16g in the basket, just weight 16g of beans prior.

  8. #8
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    18
    Quote Originally Posted by WhatEverBeansNecessary View Post
    Dose only what you need - if you want 16g in the basket, just weight 16g of beans prior.
    I find the trouble with this is retention, my Sunbeam is pretty hopeless in this regard but hopefully my next grinder will perform better.

  9. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Melbourne, Vic
    Posts
    75
    K3 push is a great grinder. Trouble free and very simple to use
    arcachon, CafeLotta and JMcCee like this.

  10. #10
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    18
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisj1984 View Post
    K3 push is a great grinder. Trouble free and very simple to use
    I've read some comments online about excessive play in some of the parts of the k3, like the adjustment collar. Is that not your experience?

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Adelaide, S.A.
    Posts
    214
    Hi MattAttack,

    Good point...I don't know anything about how the Rocky is controlled and switched on but if you can switch on the rocky and it stays on, you can find a stand on line, which stands on top of your scales that can hold your portafilter...You will have to do some measuring to make sure everything fits under the spout...Alternatively You can make such stands or the like up...I'm thinking about retro fitting something like that for my grinder...

    Cheers.

  12. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Melbourne, Vic
    Posts
    75
    Quote Originally Posted by MattAttack View Post
    I've read some comments online about excessive play in some of the parts of the k3, like the adjustment collar. Is that not your experience?
    Never been an issue for me. The grind collar is easy to adjust and is tight whilst grinding. Had mine 3 yes still grinds and looks like brand new

  13. #13
    Senior Member Rocky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Central Queensland
    Posts
    1,090
    I have used my doserless Rocky for many years and have no difficulty with measuring the appropriate dose of bean or catching the grind.
    I have a plastic spoon that holds enough beans for one shot. As I normally do a single basket for the Son and a double for me, that's three spoonfulls of bean.
    I catch the dose in the plastic food container shown in the photo and then shake it into the portafilter. Easy.
    I then create a bit of pressure in the hopper using the lid off another food container (shown) which expels most of the grind from the machine.
    When I'm finished grinding, I invert the Rocky and give it a good shake. This is good for the muscles and any grind not previously expelled now comes loose and falls out when I turn the grinder right-side up.
    My only reservation about the Rocky is that on the very fine end of the scale- which I need for my double basket - the burrs seem to contact intermittently.

    Dimal and bigdaddy like this.

  14. #14
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Posts
    10
    I’ve had a rocky for around 12 years. It’s slow but otherwise great. V solid.
    Dimal likes this.

  15. #15
    Mal Dimal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Warwick, QLD
    Posts
    16,769
    Quote Originally Posted by WhatEverBeansNecessary View Post
    The Rocky is a great little machine considering the price and build quality. However it has pretty high retnetion and isn't quiet by any stretch. I also found (the doserless model) to be rather messy.
    The biggest drawback however is the stepped adjustments - which can make getting a good shot harder.
    Never found any of this to be a problem with my Rocky D/less over many years...
    A lot of these so-called issues are very much exaggerated in my opinion.

    Mal.

  16. #16
    Senior Member WhatEverBeansNecessary's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    477
    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Never found any of this to be a problem with my Rocky D/less over many years...
    A lot of these so-called issues are very much exaggerated in my opinion.

    Mal.
    Mal, for the price and build quility it's a very good option and the only issue I have in using it was the stepped adjustments. I felt they were a little too large for a machine that needed a very fine grind like a La Pavoni.

    Otherwise I loved mine. Super relaiable workhorse.
    bigdaddy likes this.

  17. #17
    Senior Member Yelta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Moonta SA.
    Posts
    6,866
    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    A lot of these so-called issues are very much exaggerated in my opinion.

    Mal.
    My opinion as well Mal.
    Dimal and Casa Espresso like this.

  18. #18
    Site Sponsor Casa Espresso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    747
    Also agree the issues with the stepped adjustment and being able to dial it in are also exaggerated.

    There are so many other variables including grind, tamp, dose and age of beans that that completely offset the "stepped" grind issue.

    No reason at all that a "good" steeped grinder cant be dialled iin for most machines.

    The only caveat I would add would be with the La Pavoni levas that are very sensitive to grind adjustment.

    Cheers

    Antony
    www.casaespresso.com.au
    Dimal likes this.

  19. #19
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    7
    I purchased a Eureka Mignon recently I have a LaPavoni lever machine and this is a great grinder; the things I like about it most is the easy stepless adjustment, consistency of grind and quality of espresso shots and size on the bench.
    You may be better off getting a stepped machine if you make different coffee types as dialling in the grind time after time would be a major pita - however for my needs it's perfect as an espresso only grinder with ultimate adjustment ability.

    The only negative if you can call it that is it's a bit slow, clumps a bit but personally don't have an issue with this, the twist and tamp sorts it out, I'm only making a couple of shots at a time so I don't need a commercial monster that can spurt them out in 3 seconds. From my research this is about as good as it gets unless you like bells and whistles - I like full control and trust my judgement so haven't bothered with the timer. It does what it needs to do for me that is provide a quality consistent espresso grind.


    Aside from the obvious 'consistent high-quality grind', I value:
    1. Ease of cleaning/not too much retention of grounds inside the machine - TBD seems ok so far
    2. Ease of dialling in a good grind - Excellent
    3. Durable/easy to get parts for - I would imagine so
    4. Usable (consistent) dose timer - N/A
    5. Less mess - Not too bad
    6. Quietness would be nice but not essential. - yes pretty quiet actually





Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •