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    Etzinger EtzMAX

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    Happened across this grinder that is in development at the moment.

    The Etzinger EtzMAX. Apparently these guys worked with Baratza on the Sette 270w.

    Looks like they are basically building what a lot of people want which is a more substantial and top end version of the same Sette 270w design. Heavy body, more reliable scales, butter group handle holder.

    Will be interesting to see how the final machine is reviewed and what the final price is.

    The Sette 270w is a great grinder that is hampered by a few flaws, mostly related to it being built to a price point.

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    Well, it is "based upon profound knowledge in aeronautical engineering" so it is bound to take off.

    Sorry.

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    Really excited for this grinder. A better Sette is exactly what i want at home

    I think it looks baller too

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    There is a 270wi available, or just a board to upgrade the w.

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    Pretty cool, but the price is insane. "€ 1500,00 - € 2100,00 net"

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    There is a 'light' ie low volume version due late 2018 €1080!

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    For what it's worth, I got to see this in the flesh today; hit the button and ground and pulled all of one shot. It is incredibly fast, quiet, clean and seems to dose to within 0.1g. The looks are what they are - you can see for yourself and you'll either love it or hate it. The one thing that I don't like about it is that the "start" grinding button - as in the button you press every time you use it - is a tiny button, same as the buttons for changing various settings (I assume). If you have to hit that button every time you grind a shot, I think it would be much better to have that as a big button that is satisfying to pound.

    I wasn't familiar with the coffee or the espresso machine and so have no idea what the actual grind quality is like, nor did I play with the grind settings, so I actually have basically no useful information to contribute. But hopefully the above was of interest to someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luca View Post
    The one thing that I don't like about it is that the "start" grinding button - as in the button you press every time you use it - is a tiny button, same as the buttons for changing various settings (I assume). If you have to hit that button every time you grind a shot, I think it would be much better to have that as a big button that is satisfying to pound.
    You mean like this??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51NYEJ-R5KA
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    Looks like a really neat machine for home use. Nice weighing feature, Not too big, easy to clean, easy to change beans. May not need to single dose.

    I like the looks too, in a functional rather than pretty way. Iíll have s bit more of s look at this one.

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    Wink

    These grinders look to be fantastic. The Etzinger EtzMAX Light W which looks to be spec'd for home use at 60 shots / day mark seems to be going to sell in AU for around the $3200 mark
    With the Medium W for around $4200 rated for around 4kg / day.

    I love what these grinders can do and if money was no object the the Medium would be great. But until I have taxable incoming coming from this source I won't be buying either sadly.

    If you were so inclined you could buy 5x 270Wi grinders instead of the one Light W.
    To put it another way, that's 9x Sette 30's.

    I'm not sure if that's enough to fill an olympic swimming pool but it sure is a lot of coffee grinding.

    (insert clown emoji here)
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    Hi Matt,

    They're brilliant!

    I bit the bullet on a Medium W to replace my Compak E10 at home.

    It's quick, quiet, accurate, exceptionally well built and with near zero retention. It's also easy to clean.

    I have no regrets other than the fact that it's made in Liechtenstein and because of that they're so expensive!

    I have owned a heap of different grinders. This is a whole new world.

    edit: PS: fwiw I have also had a Sette. Noisy, inaccurate and it rapidly broke- as a good proportion of them do. I wouldn't swap the etzMAX for 5 Settes. In fact I wouldn't own one if paid to have it on my bench. Never again.
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    I saw the Etzinger at MICE yesterday. Very much industrial build quality: it looks like it will last at least 5 times as long as my Sette did.

    Caffeinator hits the nail on the head: I can't afford the Etzmax but I'd take it over any number of Settes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrebird View Post
    I saw the Etzinger at MICE yesterday.

    I'm going on Sat. which Stand / Exhibitor ?........ LB

    And which Model ?

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    I don't remember, sorry, but there are a lot of stands and I was there to do some research on methods used to achieve flow profiling so the grinder wasn't a main point of interest to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeeguy84 View Post
    I'm going on Sat. which Stand / Exhibitor ?........ LB

    And which Model ?
    Espresso Company Australia has a black medium W on their stand
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeinator View Post
    Espresso Company Australia has a black medium W on their stand
    ThanK You Caffeinator, I know of ECA so I'll look them up.
    I had looked up the Exhibitor List but the page lacked any detail other than company name and logo.

    Cheers
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    After 13 happy years with my Anfim Best grinder I finally upgraded to the EtzMax Light W and have to agree with comments and reviews so far.
    The EztMax is in a different league to the Anfim Best so there is no point comparing the two.

    After 13 years of using a basic flat burr doser grinder what I like about the Etzmax is:
    -Infinite adjustment over a range of about 3mm vertical burr movement with a vernier type scale that allows you to read down to 0.01mm. It is amazing how much difference you get in the cup with just 0.01mm of movement. It was always frustrating when you knew the sweet spot for a grind was between two stops on the Anfim.
    -Dose to weight. No more guessing, motor stop starts and leaving behind grinds to go stale.
    -Quite and fast
    -Easy to clean. Pulling the burr set down on the Anfim was not fun and always avoided.
    -Designed by Engineers not by Sales and Marketing Profs. This means performance comes before looks and price rather than the other way round.
    -The owner/designer is proud enough to have his name branded on every machine.

    That is the experience so far but still early days and more sleepless caffeine induced nights ahead before I finish exploring the full range of capabilities (a consequence of infinite adjustment).
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    Hi all,

    It's been a very long time (about nine years) since I last posted here. Other distractions, setting up new businesses etc meant something had to give.

    I still kept my love of coffee and to that end I thought I'd log in again and post up my thoughts on the Etzmax.

    I recently set up a new machine and grinder for the workshop, which consisted of an Izzo Alex Duetto IV and an Etzmax W. At home at the time I had a Giotto and a Mazzer Kony E.

    The difference in grind between what I was getting at home and at the workshop was staggering. The notes that the Etzmax was able to pick up from the same coffee over the Kony E was so impressive that within three months I bought a second Etzmax W to replace the Kony E at home. So now my setup consists of

    Home: Etzmax W & Giotto

    Workshop: Etzmax W & Alex Duetto IV

    The workshop combo has the slight edge on the home setup in terms of what's in the cup, which is mostly due to the difference between the nine year old Giotto and less than twelve month old Duetto, but man these Etzmax units are epicly good. You absolutely pay serious money for them but I don't think I can ever go back now

    Anyway, my second crack worth. As Ferris Bueller says, "If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up."

    Cheers

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    Hey everyone

    I have been contemplating whether I should leave my review of the Etzmax Medium W grinder here or not for quite some time. I figure it is prudent as if I knew what I did now it would have altreed my decision to purchase the grinder in the first place.

    I purchased upon release, and have had the grinder since then, not including the time it was sent back to the distributor for inspection and possible repairs.

    Out of the box it looks magnificent, if somewhat small next to the K10 that sits next to it. A host of extras come in the box, including a different cone for light beans.

    I assumed initially that this cone was to reduce fines or alter the grind when using lighter beans, but as I have found out it is actually just a less aggressive profile as the motor cannot handle light beans when using the medium cone. In fact I have had the grinder jam up on more than one occasion when using lighter roasted beans even with the light cone. This resulted in me eventually giving up on those particular beans (from a highly reputable NSW award winning roaster), throwing them in the K10 (which had no issues grinding them) and using darker beans in the Etzmax. When the grinder jams up it doesn't have any seeming smarts about it, it just keeps trying till it flips some kind of internal breaker that then means you can't turn the grinder back on till the motor cools down. VERY frustrating when trying to get a coffee and get out the door before a long drive to work.

    Another issue was that the grinds keep coming out towards the rear of the chute, meaning that it piles up on the back of the basket (in the portafilter holder) and some spills down the back and out of the basket. I thought this was an issue with my grinder in particular, but after sending it back to the distrubutor have been informed:

    "Etzinger advise that the burr and cone mechanism be removed for cleaning on a daily basis and we endorse their recommendation. It’s critical with this design and it’s also wonderful that it can be achieved in a minute or so. This is also essential maintenance. "

    My immediate next question was what is the point of a low retention grinder when you need to remove the hopper every day and pull apart the burr mechanism for cleaning, and end up losing the 6-7 grams of coffee that are left in the chamber between the hopper and the burrs. The response being:

    "When you close off the hopper, you will find about 7g of coffee within the trot of the grinder. Options are to either grind it through or collect it when the cone is removed for cleaning."

    Losing 7 grams of coffee a day is actually more than I need to grind through the K10 in order to get to fresh coffee, so I seriously question it's claim of being a 'low' retention grinder at this point. Additionally if the intention was to have to strip it down and clean it every day I would have thought that the single dosing hopper (available for extra $$$) would have been included with the grinder as standard, this would negate the lost 7 grams of coffee, if reduce the consistency of the grind.

    All in all its a great idea, executed very poorly at this stage. Perhaps future iterations will improve.

    If it had been advertised anywhere that daily strip down was required, necessitatating the loss of 7 grams of coffee, I would have thought twice before investing close to five thousand dollars. And if I had known that the lighter cone was not due to coffee grind consistency, but rather due to motor strength this too might have altered my decision.

    As always its up to the buyer to do diligent research, but all that I found online was glowing reviews, so I thought I owed it to everyone to leave my honest feedback.
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    Still out There, thanks for your honest and straightforward review. Sorry to hear the ETZ hasn't brought the joy you expected.

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    Wow. How disappointing especially for the big dollars spent. This type of real world review is where forums like this come into their own. Honest review without bashing the product. Well done.


    Puffed up online reviews to sell/market products seem to be the norm as well as some of these same people also infiltrating forums like this. The number of times you see leading posts trying to direct you to this product or that while posing as a user rather than disclosing you're a retailer.......... At least with reviews like yours, people can get to the truth of things.

    Quote Originally Posted by stilloutthere View Post
    All in all its a great idea, executed very poorly at this stage. Perhaps future iterations will improve.
    That's a really generous comment all things considered!!
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    Honest review, its a shame the grinder has fallen short of the advertised claims and your expectations.

    I'm sure other potential buyers will be very interested in your experience.
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    Honest reviews are really important. Here's mine...

    I have the pleasure of using two at work and have paid to get one for home, I could not imagine ever owning another grinder.

    Mine is accurate, doses perfectly requiring only tap distribution and tamping. It's fast, easy to adjust and more importantly easy to clean. So many are worried about a gram of retention and yet drink sub-standard coffee due to poor grinder hygiene. I am happy to live with any perceived "issues" for the sake of good, fresh coffee.

    One of the things that most owners don't do often enough is to clean the burrs and coffee paths of their grinders. I can do mine daily in about a minute. There is a little coffee in under the hopper which is easily collected when the cone is removed for cleaning. In the cone, perhaps a gram to be blown out.

    I am mindful that I purchased an espresso grinder and not a cupping grinder. I also live in Melbourne where humidity is not so much of an issue and my home kitchen is air-conditioned when need be.

    I have never experienced a jam at home with espresso, be it light and fruity or darker.

    I tested one at work with coffee roasted just to first crack. I wouldn't drink nor cup it. It was dense enough to block the cone, but even then, the light cone managed it with no issues.

    stillouthere, it sounds like you should have purchased a Niche.

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    It is not surprising it jams with some beans with 185 Watt motor.

    It looks like a lot of plastic for the price and much like the Sette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    It is not surprising it jams with some beans with 185 Watt motor.

    It looks like a lot of plastic for the price and much like the Sette.
    Yes- the hopper, the grinding cone and part of the fork adjustment mechanism of mine are plastic. I owned a Sette as well and TBH, I wouldn't take one for free. It was a POS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeinator View Post
    It was a POS.
    POS??? positive experience?
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    I am a new Niche owner, but was following the Niche thread here, I haven't heard any reports of a Niche being blocked by light roasted coffee and plenty of people are using them as multi use filter and espresso grinders. That would imply heaps of light roasts cranking through Nice grinders without a problem.

    Also there doesn't seem to be a need to clean the Niche daily due to getting blocked by grinds dark or light. I would say you are being a bit Nichist Caffeinator

    I was getting blockages with the Eureka Atom on very dark roasts as has been reported a few times, once it actually stopped the grinder spinning. The oils from the dark roasts were causing huge buildup of grinds around grind chamber and blocking the funnel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stilloutthere View Post
    As always its up to the buyer to do diligent research, but all that I found online was glowing reviews, so I thought I owed it to everyone to leave my honest feedback.
    Always appreciate an honest and independent users' experience review, of a piece of equipment that not many of us are likely to ever use, and probably ever own. Thank you mate...

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    Thanks for the honest review, you’ve saved me about $4000.
    i was concerned already with a 185w motor and on going support.
    its not easy to post a negative review, but your not alone in your opinion.
    my mate in the states has now sold his due to similar issues.
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    Oh dear looks like the ZIT-inger has burst

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    I’ve had an etzmax medium for about 5 months and I love it. It replaced a K10 Fresh which I haven’t missed at all. I clean mine only about once every 2 or 3 weeks. My etzmax is in a small, hot and humid butlers pantry. It has never jammed with light or dark beans. It is super quiet, clean and fun to use. There is zero clumping and the grounds are always fluffy and airy. I have a speedster and to me this grinder is the perfect pairing. I can’t believe how much this grinder has improved the quality of my shots. This is the first bad review I have seen.

    This grinder is designed for commercial use, and indeed there are a number of reviews online from very happy cafe owners. If I had read the above review, before spending north of $4000, I would never have have purchased mine.

    A review like this can destroy a business.

    I suspect the reviewer has a bad one (lemon) and if I was Mr Etzinger I would be offering an immediate replacement and full freight costs back to Germany to find out what the hell went wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sienna View Post
    Iíve had an etzmax medium for about 5 months and I love it. It replaced a K10 Fresh which I havenít missed at all. I clean mine only about once every 2 or 3 weeks. My etzmax is in a small, hot and humid butlers pantry. It has never jammed with light or dark beans. It is super quiet, clean and fun to use. There is zero clumping and the grounds are always fluffy and airy. I have a speedster and to me this grinder is the perfect pairing. I canít believe how much this grinder has improved the quality of my shots. This is the first bad review I have seen.

    This grinder is designed for commercial use, and indeed there are a number of reviews online from very happy cafe owners. If I had read the above review, before spending north of $4000, I would never have have purchased mine.

    A review like this can destroy a business.

    I suspect the reviewer has a bad one (lemon) and if I was Mr Etzinger I would be offering an immediate replacement and full freight costs back to Germany to find out what the hell went wrong.
    How would you compare your K10 to the Etz?

    Iíve been looking at both but leaning towards the Compak purely due to the fact they seem a lot easier to pick up second hand for a good price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WME View Post
    How would you compare your K10 to the Etz?

    I’ve been looking at both but leaning towards the Compak purely due to the fact they seem a lot easier to pick up second hand for a good price.
    I believe a few people have got the Kafatek Monolith. This is what you can get if you are prepared to pay the money. Hand built and obviously high quality and made for single dosing.

    Mind you the K10 is very popular and robustly built. They seem like a safe choice.
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    Looks like they have released a Light version more for home/single dosing use, more here https://etzinger-ag.com/go-for-the-e...tzmax-light-en. Also it is interesting they are now offering 3 different conical burr designs which are tuned to different coffee styles, espresso, filter and all rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    I believe a few people have got the Kafatek Monolith. This is what you can get if you are prepared to pay the money. Hand built and obviously high quality and made for single dosing.

    Mind you the K10 is very popular and robustly built. They seem like a safe choice.
    Thanks wattgn, the Kafatek does sound like an awesome option, I just canít bring myself to like the lab microscope styling of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roosterben View Post
    Looks like they have released a Light version more for home/single dosing use, more here https://etzinger-ag.com/go-for-the-e...tzmax-light-en. Also it is interesting they are now offering 3 different conical burr designs which are tuned to different coffee styles, espresso, filter and all rounder.
    Yep- nothing new there. Multiple cones and the light have been available for quite some time.

    LM are on board as well with the release of the swift mini at HOST 2019... It's about time as their previous prosumer grinder offer has been frankly laughable. Looks to be based on the etzMAX light and no doubt will carry the usual LM ransom.

    https://www.home-barista.com/grinder...sm-t61127.html Perhaps they're not the anti-christ that some here would have us believe.
    Swfift-Mini.jpgswift mini 2.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by sienna View Post
    Iíve had an etzmax medium for about 5 months and I love it. It replaced a K10 Fresh which I havenít missed at all. I clean mine only about once every 2 or 3 weeks. My etzmax is in a small, hot and humid butlers pantry. It has never jammed with light or dark beans. It is super quiet, clean and fun to use. There is zero clumping and the grounds are always fluffy and airy. I have a speedster and to me this grinder is the perfect pairing. I canít believe how much this grinder has improved the quality of my shots. This is the first bad review I have seen.

    This grinder is designed for commercial use, and indeed there are a number of reviews online from very happy cafe owners. If I had read the above review, before spending north of $4000, I would never have have purchased mine.

    A review like this can destroy a business.

    I suspect the reviewer has a bad one (lemon) and if I was Mr Etzinger I would be offering an immediate replacement and full freight costs back to Germany to find out what the hell went wrong.
    Like sienna I have owned an ETZMAX for several months and am absolutely delighted with it. i moved from a Profitec T64 (which is a quite well regarded flat burr grinder). The difference between the two is significant and at some point I will try to write a review of the ETZMAX. A key difference is the way the ETZMAX delivers an exactly measured dose of perfectly ground coffee which is completely clump free. I am a fan and could not go back to a lesser grinder. I admire the Niche grinder but the hassle of pre-measuring the beans and then transferring the output to a portafilter made it easy for me to justify buying the ETZMAX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stilloutthere View Post
    Hey everyone

    I have been contemplating whether I should leave my review of the Etzmax Medium W grinder here or not for quite some time. I figure it is prudent as if I knew what I did now it would have altreed my decision to purchase the grinder in the first place.

    I purchased upon release, and have had the grinder since then, not including the time it was sent back to the distributor for inspection and possible repairs.

    Out of the box it looks magnificent, if somewhat small next to the K10 that sits next to it. A host of extras come in the box, including a different cone for light beans.

    I assumed initially that this cone was to reduce fines or alter the grind when using lighter beans, but as I have found out it is actually just a less aggressive profile as the motor cannot handle light beans when using the medium cone. In fact I have had the grinder jam up on more than one occasion when using lighter roasted beans even with the light cone. This resulted in me eventually giving up on those particular beans (from a highly reputable NSW award winning roaster), throwing them in the K10 (which had no issues grinding them) and using darker beans in the Etzmax. When the grinder jams up it doesn't have any seeming smarts about it, it just keeps trying till it flips some kind of internal breaker that then means you can't turn the grinder back on till the motor cools down. VERY frustrating when trying to get a coffee and get out the door before a long drive to work.

    Another issue was that the grinds keep coming out towards the rear of the chute, meaning that it piles up on the back of the basket (in the portafilter holder) and some spills down the back and out of the basket. I thought this was an issue with my grinder in particular, but after sending it back to the distrubutor have been informed:

    "Etzinger advise that the burr and cone mechanism be removed for cleaning on a daily basis and we endorse their recommendation. Itís critical with this design and itís also wonderful that it can be achieved in a minute or so. This is also essential maintenance. "

    My immediate next question was what is the point of a low retention grinder when you need to remove the hopper every day and pull apart the burr mechanism for cleaning, and end up losing the 6-7 grams of coffee that are left in the chamber between the hopper and the burrs. The response being:

    "When you close off the hopper, you will find about 7g of coffee within the trot of the grinder. Options are to either grind it through or collect it when the cone is removed for cleaning."

    Losing 7 grams of coffee a day is actually more than I need to grind through the K10 in order to get to fresh coffee, so I seriously question it's claim of being a 'low' retention grinder at this point. Additionally if the intention was to have to strip it down and clean it every day I would have thought that the single dosing hopper (available for extra $$$) would have been included with the grinder as standard, this would negate the lost 7 grams of coffee, if reduce the consistency of the grind.

    All in all its a great idea, executed very poorly at this stage. Perhaps future iterations will improve.

    If it had been advertised anywhere that daily strip down was required, necessitatating the loss of 7 grams of coffee, I would have thought twice before investing close to five thousand dollars. And if I had known that the lighter cone was not due to coffee grind consistency, but rather due to motor strength this too might have altered my decision.

    As always its up to the buyer to do diligent research, but all that I found online was glowing reviews, so I thought I owed it to everyone to leave my honest feedback.
    Very sorry to hear of your experience, and hope you receive some support in getting this corrected.

    If itís faulty it sounds like you need a bit more help, perhaps contact etz directly if the distributor canít offer more.

    What youíre experiencing, particularly the stalls, I would not find acceptable in a grinder a fraction of the price. A requirement for Daily dismantling to clean does not sound to me a reasonable explanation for your issues.

    I was looking at one of these along with the monolith, ended up ordering a Lagom P64 that I am currently waiting for. Thereís a bit of a risk buying something new and relatively unknown, which I felt about the Etz. Your review will give a lot to think about for potential buyers, even if it is a reflection more on support than the grinder itself, considering this may be a fault.



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