Post By russo
Help choosing a grinder
I recently ordered a new coffee machine (ECM Technika Profi Rotary) and ordered a Quamar Q50e Grinder. I should have done some more research on the grinder and should while i'm spending the money stretch it a little further. I am considering whether to go to a Eureka Atom of a Compak E5 OD. Will be used mostly for espresso, I do prefer a timer so I can set it up for the wife to use on occasion. Happy to hear other suggestions as well for a similar price bracket.
What is the issue with Quamar? No experience with them but if you explain the issue other can give you better advice
congrates on the machine they looks awesome
Just reading on them that the quamar is unreliable, a few with DOA out of the box. I think the grinder is quite capable still. I still have the chance to change the grinder as I am still to receive it.
Russo, if I were purchasing the kit you are ( and I'm not) and based on my first hand (yes limited to 2 separate circumstances) experience I wouldn't think twice about making a change along the lines you've suggested. In fact the Compak model you listed would be my choice. But then I haven't lined up each grinder (and others lately) nor their pricing to give me a bang for buck assessment like you may have.
I'm sorry to say (but imho) the Qamar Q50 doesn't cut it at this level . For Pour Over - yes, maybe matched to a Consumer level espresso machine no probs.
If you do your searches on here, you'll quickly find last year where a new member needed help to sort out issues with his new 'package' purchase which included the Q50E. And without going over it step by step, within 2 shots of isolating the grinder his issues disappeared. Reintroduce the grinder and they reappeared exactly the same. And yes we had all the bases covered including backup beans grinders and machines and could change one thing at a time and the issue was irrefutable. I know the owner in this case was fortunate that the retailer was reputable in taking back the grinder at a full refund and resupplying another brand and model at a fair rate.
So how was the retailer able to make this grinder work with a machine very similar in spec to yours ... over dosing the basket excessively.
Not something I agree with at all.
Anyway to your question.... my opinion is that espresso is like a step ladder and when you climb the steps to the espresso machine level you've chosen then its accepted wisdom to at least match it or beat it with a similar or greater level of grinder. The E5 OD probably matches it, But I would plump for the E6 model in the Compak range. Which is at the very least not less than the quality of machine you've chosen. So it would be a good choice if it's in your budget range.
For me tho...I don't currently see the benefit of Timer / On Demand Grinders in the home enthusiasts kit. They are a speed / consistency improvement in the very busy commercial scene, however at home where maintaining freshness of your beans, low volume usage and therefore dose per use are far higher on the scale of must do's. I'm not convinced they are as rock solid in a single dosing situation. And to me consistent quality of grinding time after time, and being able to 'read' what adjustment is required are far more beneficial.
And at home to me time ( a further 5 to 10sec) is not the big issue. And unless your using say 100g + a day, then by not single dosing you are 'cutting your nose off to save your face' !
Any of the 'up from the the basement' commercial grinder models such as the Macap M4, Mazzer Super Jolly, Fausto etc etc, equiped with a 60mm + flat blade burr set & micro-metric adjustment would give you great service, read-ability in its adjustment (the real key attribute), and at a reasonable bang for buck cost.
Good luck with your purchase. And happy times getting to know 'each other'.
PS my best tip - choose a quality 'date stamped' fresh roast, of good consistent reputation, to dial in your new kit. (don't even think of using s/market beans)
And search the 5cent test if you don't know of it.
PSS whats the issue with them? - the adjustment mechanism has excessive play, giving inconsistent adjustment.
And as they are a stepped adjustment grinder with 'large' steps often one step to the next is too large to dial in the perfect grind. In my experience.
Last edited by EspressoAdventurer; 14th May 2018 at 10:51 AM.
Thanks for such a detailed answer. I took your advice and Silipo Coffee where I have purchased the kit were only so happy to change it and actually recommended it from the start. I'm glad I did go the Compak E5, it is very solid and actually very easy to use. I managed to dial-in the grind with two attempts and really fine tuned it on my third. The machine produced an exceptional cup of coffee. I have 1KG (2 x 500g of different varieties) of beans that they roast there. Will take some practice using this machine but for my first attempt I'm actually quite proud of my first Latte.
Looks beautiful Russo, I'm very jealous! It's no surprise they were happy to change your order. Richard bends over backwards to be helpful, he's always great to deal with. That's where I get my green beans from.
Thanks, Richard is brilliant! Very happy I purchased through them I think we are lucky to have Silipo on the coast.
Originally Posted by Hipsi