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    A second grinder for pour over

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    Hey everyone,

    I'm looking at getting a second grinder for doing some more pour over at home.

    I guess my priorities are:
    $300-500
    Electric
    0 retention if possible
    Not too big

    The three grinders i've eyed off are:

    Breville Smart Grinder Pro
    https://www.betta.com.au/breville-bc...der-pro-414185

    Rancilio Rocky Doserless
    https://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/...less-pre-loved

    Baratza Sette 270
    https://alternativebrewing.com.au/pr...tza-sette-270/

    I've never used these grinders except for the older Breville before this new pro model. I didn't mind it, for the price it was pretty damned good.

    Any recommendations?

    Cheers

    Edit:

    How's the Compk K3 go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchH View Post
    Hey everyone,

    I'm looking at getting a second grinder for doing some more pour over at home.

    I guess my priorities are:
    $300-500
    Electric
    0 retention if possible
    Not too big

    The three grinders i've eyed off are:

    Breville Smart Grinder Pro
    https://www.betta.com.au/breville-bc...der-pro-414185

    Rancilio Rocky Doserless
    https://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/...less-pre-loved

    Baratza Sette 270
    https://alternativebrewing.com.au/pr...tza-sette-270/

    I've never used these grinders except for the older Breville before this new pro model. I didn't mind it, for the price it was pretty damned good.

    Any recommendations?

    Cheers

    Edit:

    How's the Compk K3 go?
    Fair enough that you've stated you want it to be electric, but.....why? You'll get so much more bang for your buck with a good hand-grinder, and the good ones aren't difficult to use. For some reason I own 3 electric grinders (including a K3), but I use my Lido for pourover duties.
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    would recommend getting a really good hand grinder over any of those. lido 2/3 or commandante. it takes very little time and effort to hand grind for pour-over.

    other than that, i've heard the sette is decent for pour-over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodhouse View Post
    would recommend getting a really good hand grinder over any of those. lido 2/3 or commandante. it takes very little time and effort to hand grind for pour-over.

    other than that, i've heard the sette is decent for pour-over.
    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Fair enough that you've stated you want it to be electric, but.....why? You'll get so much more bang for your buck with a good hand-grinder, and the good ones aren't difficult to use. For some reason I own 3 electric grinders (including a K3), but I use my Lido for pourover duties.

    Thanks for the replys

    I already have a Hario Skerton and have found the grounds variance in particle size to be pretty terrible (it does the job when camping for aeropress). I just assumed all hand grinders are like that. I didn't know there was a hand grinder like the Commandante or Lido.

    I'll check out some reviews!

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    Hi MitchH
    ive got a Lido E (Lido 3 with finer adjustment for espresso hense the E) and really like it, using it daily for 2-3 20g dose espresso. Not a job for my wife but not that hard either. For pour over it would be super easy and quick.
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    Iím in a somewhat similar boat, but opposite (I guess). I use a Smart Grinder currently for espresso, but from time to time have to grind larger amounts for plunger for family members. Every time I do this it throws my espresso grind calibration substantially out and it takes many profanities and about 10 shots before it comes good again. Thus Iím considering a manual for my daily espresso and reserving the Smart Grinder for the coarse duties

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    from time to time have to grind larger amounts for plunger

    When you say larger amounts, how much do you mean? Domestic grinders are designed to grind small amounts and will generate a bit of heat when grinding larger amounts. This is why your Smart grinder goes out of whack. If you need to continue to grind larger amounts, you will need to buy a heavier duty grinder and confine the Breville to espresso duties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hipsi View Post
    I’m in a somewhat similar boat, but opposite (I guess). I use a Smart Grinder currently for espresso, but from time to time have to grind larger amounts for plunger for family members. Every time I do this it throws my espresso grind calibration substantially out and it takes many profanities and about 10 shots before it comes good again. Thus I’m considering a manual for my daily espresso and reserving the Smart Grinder for the coarse duties
    I sold my Smart Grinder for this exact reason. It was also a lot more susceptible to changes in the air and the burrs heated up pretty drastically and fast.

    I love my Mazzer Mini E, it's SO much better.
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    Comandante and several cans of spinach. :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mb21 View Post
    Hi MitchH
    ive got a Lido E (Lido 3 with finer adjustment for espresso hense the E) and really like it, using it daily for 2-3 20g dose espresso. Not a job for my wife but not that hard either. For pour over it would be super easy and quick.
    Cheers, i was wondering what the E was about.

    The Lido 2 looks nicer than the 3 i think from the pics online but the burrs are different between the two. I'll never use the Lido for espresso so i guess the 2 is my pick?

    I also have had someone offer up a used Baratza Vario for $200 dollarydoos. That sounds like too good to pass :P

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    Lido 2 has a more agressive burr set then Lido 3. So Lido 2 verses lido 3 is harder to turn but less revolutions needed to grind dose. May not be a big factor if only using for pourer due to coarser grind size. Do you travel much? a hand grinder may be nice if you do as can still take it away and make pour over etc

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    If you want to maximize the flavour potential then you canít go past the Lido. Itís amazing how much difference the slightly bigger burrs make. My recommendations would be (in this order):

    1. Lido 3
    2. Hiku
    3. Baratza Sette 270

    Brevilles and other Baratzas do ok, but why just make do with average when you donít need to? Definitely avoid the likes of the Rocky and K3 as theyíre really designed for espresso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mb21 View Post
    Lido 2 has a more agressive burr set then Lido 3. So Lido 2 verses lido 3 is harder to turn but less revolutions needed to grind dose. May not be a big factor if only using for pourer due to coarser grind size. Do you travel much? a hand grinder may be nice if you do as can still take it away and make pour over etc

    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    If you want to maximize the flavour potential then you can’t go past the Lido. It’s amazing how much difference the slightly bigger burrs make. My recommendations would be (in this order):

    1. Lido 3
    2. Hiku
    3. Baratza Sette 270

    Brevilles and other Baratzas do ok, but why just make do with average when you don’t need to? Definitely avoid the likes of the Rocky and K3 as they’re really designed for espresso.
    Cheers

    Travel isn't a consideration

    So i'm pretty much tossing up between the Lido ($300) and a second hand Vario with steel burrs ($200).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchH View Post
    Cheers

    Travel isn't a consideration

    So i'm pretty much tossing up between the Lido ($300) and a second hand Vario with steel burrs ($200).
    Of those two the Vario will admittedly be slightly easier to use, but the Lido will give you vastly superior results in the cup. If youíre only grinding a standard sort of amount for a single pour over each time (15-20g or so) then Iíd recommend the Lido as youíll punch this through in no time.

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    Lido all the way. Will last a lifetime and is portable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Of those two the Vario will admittedly be slightly easier to use, but the Lido will give you vastly superior results in the cup. If you’re only grinding a standard sort of amount for a single pour over each time (15-20g or so) then I’d recommend the Lido as you’ll punch this through in no time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukemc View Post
    Lido all the way. Will last a lifetime and is portable.

    Cheers guys

    So you've all changed my mind on hand grinders, something i never thought would happen I had a laugh.

    The only issue i have about the Lido is it looks ugly as hell. The grinder is going to be on display on a shelf so i guess i'm looking at the Comandante also now.

    They are pretty much the same price, is the performance the same? It's a lot harder to find a good review on particle consistency for the Comandante than the Lido

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchH View Post
    Cheers

    Travel isn't a consideration

    So i'm pretty much tossing up between the Lido ($300) and a second hand Vario with steel burrs ($200).
    Having three Mahlkonig Varios, one now fitted with the optional steel burrs, I would offer the following.

    If the Vario is a Mahlkonig gen2* or either gen3 it will outperform the Sette on coarser grinds by miles - other than an HG1, I suspect it will also outperform all hand grinders I know (about 30 or so different ones over the years). FWIW, I have not seen such an even spread at drip / plunger grinds this side of mega expensive industrial grinders. Mind you, it'll be hopeless on espresso...

    If it is a gen1 (different labels on the 3 buttons) buy the Sette or the hand grinder of your choice / budget. The genuine gen1's are a quieter version of the Sette in terms of performance

    I have seem two Baratza "gen2's" which weren't - they had gen1 labelling and performance. Not being mine, I couldn't pull them apart however I reckon they had the gen1 mechanism. Consider them a gen1. Others have gen2 labelling and are actually a gen2. No idea if some dude was being creative or they were shipped like that. Another reason to avoid parallel imports (the Baratza Vario rebadge is for the US only, rest of the world is a Mahlkonig, the Sette is a Baratza only).


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    If you're now considering hand grinders, the new OE Apex Grinder using ghost burrs and specifically aimed at non-espresso duty, would also be worth a look. There will be a wait though.

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    Tampit makes a good point. Is the Vario an Australian new model? If you can confirm this then it will indeed be a rebadged Mahlkonig and will be greatly superior to any other Baratza. Iíd still give the Lido the nod, but a Mahlkonig Vario would be an excellent choice for pour over as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchH View Post

    They are pretty much the same price, is the performance the same? It's a lot harder to find a good review on particle consistency for the Comandante than the Lido
    I have a Lido. Very easy to use. 48mm burrs. Not sure how big the Comandante burrs are but if they are 38mm it would be slower than the Lido.
    Not being a poor over drinker I may be wrong - but not sure whether you really need the top end hand grinder for pour over, one of the less expensive models may be suitable?

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    Just posting a follow up after making my decision.

    I ended up getting the Comandante C40 hand grinder and love it.

    Takes around 45 seconds to grind 30g of coffee for a double chemex. It's built so well and looks amazing.

    I ended up with this over the Lido primarily due to aesthetics and size. The Lido looks ugly as hell, and it's massive. I can easily take the C40 to work and it looks nice on display.

    Thanks to everyone for all the help! It's really appreciated
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