Post By Lukemc
Post By 338
Post By TheFlattestofWhites
Grinder to complement a probable Profitec Pro 500?
I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on my first machine and grinder purchase after doing a bunch of reading. I think I've settled on a Profitec Pro 500 (was looking at the ECM Technika as well but couldn't justify the increased cost for the Profi).
I'm unsure about the grinder though. The budget is pretty flexible if I can justify it, particularly in terms of longevity, but of course cheaper is always preferred. I think I'll be single dosing coffees primarily for the wife and I for the most part (and for friends occasionally) but since its the first purchase I have no idea how things will actually turn out.
I'm pretty sure I'm after a doserless grinder, I've been looking at a bunch of different price points including:
- Eureka Atom
- Eureka Mignon
- Macap M4D
- Baratza Sette 270
- Mahlkonig Vario
- Profitec Pro M54
The Atom seems to have a good name and the idea of a quieter machine is nice but it's a fair chunk more than the M54 or Sette.
I'm pretty lost! Picking a espresso machine seemed easy by comparison!
Can you help me out with some sage guidance?
TFOW, I am in no way qualified to compare grinders but will give a few thoughts. The wise heads around here say a grinder is more important than the espresso machine, after getting a new grinder last week I would agree. I bought my first machine and grinder a year ago, the grinder (which has become my travelling grinder) was at least a full class below anything you are looking at. A year later I have upgraded, it would have been cheaper to increase my budget one year ago. To pair with a Profitec I would also add their Profitec Pro T64, their top of the line. I would do your own reseach on the Sette but I read some reviews with question marks over long term reliability. As I already had a grinder I wanted a bigger jump than some of your choices provided so was choosing between the T64 and Atom. I think the reviews show all will do a good job, given hindsight I would have started further up the product line than I did, at the time didn't realise how much I liked decent coffee
Thanks for that 338. I knew the grinder was important, but the more I read the more it seems it's worth looks at the Atom and the M4D and other doserless grinders in that price range, although those two seem amongst the most commonly recommended.
Iím not qualified either, in the sense that I have none of those grinders, but have been doing almost identical research to you if I had my choice right now, Iíd be getting the Atom. It looks awesome, and the reviews are good. Paul at dodgy x says itís his choice of grinder too. Aesthetics matter to me and I donít like the look of the M4D or the Sette, the Vario looks a bit cheap to me. If I was going the Mignon I would get the Specialita - as it has the toughpad on the front.
The only other thing Iíd say is those grinders in your list have different features. For example, some have a portafilter holder, others do not. How you plan to use the grinder (timed/manual grinding, handsfree, weight based) help with your decision.
If youíre in Melbourne, dodgy x could help with showing you most or all of those grinders. In Sydney JetBlack seems to be the place to go. I recently bought my P500 there and am very happy.
Last edited by crazyhakins; 18th July 2018 at 06:53 PM.
Maybe if your in Melbourne try Antony at Casa espresso instead of the aforementioned. Antony is a sponsor and reputable with a long history on the forum.
As someone with an Atom you'd be mad to attempt single dosing with it until the new "Blow Up" add-on system has proven itself and been budgeted for. Love it in every other way though, brilliant grinder!
Level3ninja is correct, I read single dosing then forgot it as none of your choices bar the Sette have any reputation for single dosing. That is almost a pursuit in itself. I looked at going that way as it appealed but ultimately there were often some compromises - bar the $3.5k Kafetek Monolith which compromised my wallet!
If you ignore single dosing ( which the Atom may or may not successfully have with its new Blow Up option), it seems you have decided on a quality long term machine and looking for a grinder at least as good. If choosing between the M4D and Atom (would also consider the Profitec T64), my thoughts would be there is only $150 between them so buy the one which suits you better (assuming machine and grinder are in your comfort level and wont leave your children without food). I chose an Atom, the reasons for me were noise, you can talk over an Atom ( if you live in a mulri person household you will be surprised how many times you have to wait for a sentence to finish to start grinding ) and cleaning. Five allen keys, three screws and the top burr is off. Because adjustment is by the bottom burr you don't lose your adjustment. Very easy which means you can keep the grinder at its best with no effort.
I would second the advice of Antony at Casa Espresso or Charlie at Jet Black (He didn't stock the Atom for the longest time but I just checked and he now does) or one of the other sponsors, you know they are at least ethical, have some knowledge and experience in the industry. I bought my Atom from Antony at Casa Espresso who was a gentleman with great service, have had the same experience with Charlie. I have heard comments and examples about the ethics and behavior of some in this industry which inspires me to stick with the tried and tested.
Ps to help on slimming your choices, you mention a fair chunk more than the Sette or M54. It would be fair to say the Sette has a question mark on durability compared to others on your list, the M54 by web info mentions small steps in adjustment where most consider stepless better. That would be enough for me to get the bottom two off the list.
Doesn’t the time function on the Atom negate the need for single dosing? WLL have tested the consistency of the timer and found it to be pretty good.
Originally Posted by level3ninja
Crazy, the idea of single dosing is to say put 20 grams of bean A in and get 20 grams out (with zero retention of grounds in the grinder being the aim), then after be able to put 20 grams of bean B (say a decaf) in and get 20 grams out with no mixing of the beans.
Originally Posted by crazyhakins
The timer allows you to put bean A in the hopper and get measured doses of bean A out.
Edit: Or just for clarification, to keep beans fresh. Single dose 20 grams today with no retention, so fresh 20 grams tomorrow with no retained stale grounds
Last edited by 338; 19th July 2018 at 01:43 PM.
Thanks everyone. Reading your comments and others looks like my quest for effective single dosing might be a bit misguided with the vast majority of grinders. I've sent a quote form to the sponsors for a Pro 500 and Eureka Atom etc.
Hi flat white man.
Iím very happy with my Pro 500 and Atom combination.
To me it came to a close call between the Atom and the Profitec grinder and it was almost a case of flip a coin on them with the Atom being a bit quieter and the Profitec being quicker and better looking. Also the Atom was a few hundred less so that pushed me to the Atom in the end.
No regrets at all though on the Atom. Itís an amazing price of kit.
Hope this helps a bit and best of luck.