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    EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hi All,

    Just wondering how often fellow EM0480 owners clean their product.

    I find it heavily varies with the bean - using Tanzanian beans it remains fairly clean but with Columbian beans it gets clogged really quick - almost all the grounds are a bit compressible or sticky and like to clump.

    I cleaned mine out really well a week ago and it backed up from dark roasted columbians from then to now - literally backed up in such a short space of time !

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Dr T I only just looked at mine an hour ago and was going to post something similar.

    I have only had mine a month and I am finding that the beans have a lot of static in them. I also find that a lot get caught up in the top of the shoot. So I pulled it apart just before and found a huge build up on the bottom of the top burr!

    Will be interested to hear how often people clean their grinders!!!

    Sue

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Want a real fright Sue ? - stick your finger up the chute and rotate it around a bit.

    You will find, left to its own devices without a clean, the build up at the top of the chute can turn into a semi-rigid crust, thereby narrowing the opening quite significantly.

    The grind is quite good, but the engineering of the device is shocking. I may yet upgrade, despite the desire to save my pennies rather than spend them.

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    That what I have been doing :o :o tis scary hey. I usually discard the first bit of grind everytime so as not to get all the old crap.

    I am thinking I might go get some tools and open it up further and give it a real good clean!!!

    Sue

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    I clean mine about once a month, which is 1 to 1.5 kg of beans worth for me.

    Things get a little dirty in there, but not more than Id expect. *Most of my beans have some oil on them but certainly not covered, some have no oil at all (I tend to roast on the light side), but I have tried a few darker roasts with more oil as well.

    Cant see why you would need tools, other than a brush, to clean the EM0480? *Though I do give mine a few good taps when upside down to get rid of grinds clinging in hard to get at places in the base...

    I always wash the hopper in slightly sudsy water, and rinse before drying thoroughly.

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    mylesau you cant get to the chute enough by just taking off the adjustment collar. So I was going to get some tools (screwdriver) to take off the lower burr to get closer to the chute!

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrT link=1185940817/0#2 date=1185946572
    Want a real fright Sue ? - stick your finger up the chute and rotate it around a bit.
    ..and then switch the grinder on? Ouch! ::)

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Fair enough Sue. *I find if I poke around enough with a small brush that I can clear the chute and sweepers, but it does take some time.

    If you havent seen the pictures at the following link they may help ~ it looks like if you remove the lower cover (4 screws?) youll have full access to the chute.

    http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/sunbeamgrinder.html

    Edit1:

    Ray Cs got a nice pic here to:

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1183436456/17#17

    Edit2:

    One other thing I should mention, the brush I use has long bristles ~ 4 - 5cm, not the one that came with the EM.

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    My highly scientific method of chute cleaning involves jamming the handle end of a teaspoon up the chute and swirling it around a bit then giving the machine a few hard knocks and shakes. Seems to work well enough but I think its time I pulled it apart again and gave it another good clean out.

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    I use an artists brush to clean the chute.
    Its a tad gentler than a teaspoon handle.

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Anyone tried the "Grindz" product on the Sunbeam yet?


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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    I too have a Sunbeam, the clogging everyone has mentioned is true, I give it a tap and poke a toothpick up the chute but I always get some dregs from the last grind when doing a new batch.
    It is grinding really well and after finding the correct grind for my Silvia it has been consistent.
    I take mine out the garage and hit it with the air compressor occasionally!!!

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Quote Originally Posted by greenman link=1185940817/0#11 date=1186489789
    I take mine out the garage and hit it with the air compressor occasionally!!!
    Dont let the RSPCG catch you doin that! *;D

    Well, after Suebs suggestion, I took the lower cover off mine on the weekend ~ 4 screws is all it takes ~ and although it was clean around the chute and sweepers, I did find a bit of a build up under the lower cover around the outer edge of the trough that the sweepers go around in. *Not too bad, but not something I would want to leave for a prolonged period of time. *So Ill probably make sure I take of the lower cover once every 6 months or so to clean any build up.

    Tips: *Once the 4 screws are undone, use a chopstick (or similar) and push up gently through the chute to lift the lower cover ~ watch out for the sweepers as they are fairly light plastic. *Note the cut off switches position and if it comes out make sure the spring doesnt go north, south, east or west...

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Help!!!!

    Mylesau mine doesnt look like yours sounds. I thought Id pull my finger out and pull mine off this morning and give it a good clean. OMG look what I found. First pic is after I stuck my brush up and this is what came out.

    Then I pulled the bottom off and OMG look what I found. I always thought that my grinds took a long time to comeout well now I know why.

    This isnt right is it? What could the problem be or do I just take it back?




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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Euw!. *Are all those grinds on the second image hard/compact or are they just sitting there loose?

    Mine certainly doesnt look like that. *Possibly because I tap mine after each use? *(I tap the base not the hopper ~ sort of makes the whole grinder wobble a bit).

    After Ive used a brush with the bottom cover still on, all of the area where you have grinds built up is clean ~ no grinds at all?

    It almost looks like your sweepers arent rotating?

    You can check by hold the cutoff switch on manually and start the grinder BUT BE VERY CAREFULL to keep fingers well away from the bottom burr.

    Either you have significantly more static build up then me (perhaps your in a drier environment ~ airconditioning?), have very moist air (could steam be going up the chute), or have significantly different coffee characteristics to mine?

    Definitely not what mine looks like :question

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Ok I put it all back together and did a grind. Cleaned it like I normally would. Then I pulled off the top burr/collar. Then I turned it on like you suggested and a heap flew out probably about 1 scoops worth. Weird why would taking the top collar off free it up to be able to release the grinds. So yeah the sweepers are rotating (I was hoping this would be the problem)

    Im at home so no aircon and it is 46% humidity :) (which is a bit dry for Brisvegas)
    no steam going anywhere
    am using 2 week old Merlo beans!

    I have thought before that my grind seems to have too much static in it?? But how do you fix that is it the machine or the environment? I dont want to have to pull it apart every week!!!!


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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Back investigating.

    This is what I have done. Ive loaded my beans and ground them all. I give it a couple more spins which I would think would get rid of most of the grind. Give the top and side a few taps and a very small amount comes out.

    I take off the top collar and burr and then spin the bottom burr. About 2 scoops comes out! and still some is caught in the shoot!

    I ring Sunbeam and ask the lady if she knows about this grinder. She has to ask me twice what the number is and is putting into the computer. I ask if she if familiar she says yet Mmmmm?????

    She tells me that there will be a small amount of beans left over everytime you grind. I am thinking that 2 scoops worth or more than a small amount. She tells me I just have to discard the first bit of the grind. But then when I say that there is still an amount in the shoot then she says it can be sent in to the Sunbeam to have a look. Id rather just take it back to Myer and get my money back.

    Id be interested to hear how others have found this to be. Do you think I have too much grind left?

    Sue

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    I clean mine out every 1-2 months... doesnt seem to be an issue for me... I use a thin stick or metal and poke it up the shoot and loosen excess grinds...

    But honestly, my next grinder will be a doser version.. Mazzer or Compak

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    But how much excess is excess! I dont mind sucking it out the the vacuum every few days. But if mine has way too much left over then this cant be good for my coffee next time even if I do discard the first bit!

    Sue

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Sue,

    I usually just "purge" the grinder, making sure what excess there is in the coffee path is cleared and away I go... I dont have issues with taste differences... either that or I dont know any better??

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

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    Sueb, I recon youve got a super charged static generator, not a coffee grinder ~ can you check whats written on the side of the box *;)

    Thinking back to when I first got my EM0480 Id suggest it has less static now then it did then, but I still grind into a Stainless Steel container (cocktail shaker cap). *With this I no longer have any grounds that go astray. *Originally when I was grinding into plastic I always seemed to be cleaning grounds up or trying to unstick them from the sides of the container...

    I wonder if after a while oil builds up on the plastic reducing the amount of static generated?

    Im a few hours north of you, and dont have air conditioning or anything so Im guessing its not external influences (unless your a statically charged kind of person ;D).

    Youre always going to get some grinds left where the sweeper arms go around, but they should really not build up in the chute like yours does. *A quick dump before each grind should remove any leftovers as marcstolk suggests.

    I do remember reading someone suggesting that if they touched the hopper as they grind that they had a large drop in static build up ~ the thinking was that you grounded/equalized the static charge. *Perhaps you could give it another clean out and try that?

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    Hey Sueb, was having the same problem. The grinds were really sticking in that corner and I suspected that they were that jammed in there that they werent being moved the next time I ground fresh beans, that perhaps the fresh grind just pushed passed it.

    For me the severity of the build up seems to change with different beans. I got an awful batch of starbucks roasted beans (theyre probably all awful) that were too oily - almost wet - and they jammed up the chute a lot faster than usual.

    I dont know enough to recommend a particular type of bean, but you could try changing the type of beans your grinding and see if that helps?

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    That first pic is exactly what happens every time I jam a teaspoon in the chute, which is exactly why I do it. The second pic is a bit more excessive than what I found when I took the grinder apart to clean it out completely. I was surprised at the amount of compacted coffee stuck in there.

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Its good to hear its not only me.

    Ive nearly finished my Merlo so will be getting some more beans next week. Ill see how I go then and report back!

    I found when I took the hopper off and then spun the burs most would come out. This is easy to do so I think I will just do that at the end of every day. I just didnt like that much grind sitting in there over night or for a day or 2 if I am working and not drinking at home!

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    Sunbeam have come up with there own chute extension and larger brush to try and solve some of the clogging issues. Will post a pic when it arrives in the mail.

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Interesting, as when I rang Sunbeam she denied any knowledge of their being a problem! Depends who you talk to I suppose.

    Sue

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    OOh how exciting... So if i ring them and complain enough to the right person do you think i can get them to send me what they are sending ii? Sueb maybe try again and see if you get someone who is having a good day and if all else fails ask for the supervisor...

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Someone mentioned returning an EM6910 and getting an EM6910 + an EM0480 due to the current special, I wonder if you return an EM0480 youd get an EM0480 + an EM6910 in return ;D

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    Heres the new all improved, state of the art EM0480! With Anti-static rubber mat, anti-spill chute, and last but not least....the anti-clogging brush! My EM0480 works perfectly now ;)

    yeah Im being sarcastic....but at least theyre trying.
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    This image and the one below have been resized to 640x480 pixels for easier viewing in most browsers,
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    Another shot

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Would it make any difference to the static if you stabbed a paper clip through the middle of the plastic tube and somehow have a wire touching something that is grounded like yourself?

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Are those genuine Sunbeam replacement parts or something you came up with yourself? If the former, who did you speak to at Sunbeam?

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    Theyre genuine. I tried speaking with a lady at sunbeam about the clogging issue and she said that she would have a guy call me back who "kind of specialized in the EM0480". Id rather not mention a specific name cause Id rather he didnt get harassed. Perhaps if you just ask if they have someone who "kind of specializes in the EM0480"

    Now you have to remember that sunbeam cant directly admit that theres a major problem with some of these grinders. And that my recollection of the converstaion wont be perfect.

    I told him my issues of having a large amount of grinds stuck in the top of the chute, not only because of wasting a double basket of grinds everytime I used it, but because of the stale coffee factor.

    He said that even in exspensive grinders there will always be an amount of left over grinds, and that grinds may be backing up in the chute from holding the PF too close, like when using the auto button.

    He said "they" had come up with a chute extension designed for the PF to be sat on the rubber mat while grinding (this of course renders the auto button useless). And that included was a longer brush for cleaning the inside of the chute etc. The large rubber mat came in the package unexpectedly. Its obviously just to help clean up the awefull mess the grinder makes.

    Anyway, since then Ive had other issues with the EM0480 and theyre sending more things. Might need to start a new topic about that one soon. Good Luck!


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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Hi Invisible insect,

    Most grinders, whether they cost a few hundred dollars or a few thousand dollars have problems with mess and with ground coffee retention. You seem to expect sunbeam to solve problems that are present on a two and a half thousand dollar grinder and offer it to you for two hundred bucks.

    Cheers,

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    What things are you expecting?

    I gotta say, Sunbeam are doing a good thing looking after you... I might ring up about the Spout extension... I dont use the Auto button.. I manually turn the grinder on... gives me more control moving the PF around to collect a good portion of grinds...

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    What am I expecting? :-?

    Well setting aside all the promises made by sunbeam and Paul Basset about the cafe series.

    (Dont get me wrong the EM6910 is great, so is my sunbeam cornelius popper :P, my bang bang, sunbeam toaster and kettle)

    Im expecting the EM0480 that everyone else seems to have.

    Okay so my EM0480 clogs up with an excessive amount of grinds. I would say that discarding a whole double basket of grinds each time you use it to be excessive and wasteful, I dont mind purging a small amount before the next grind but its compacted up there and theres no guarantee that the grinds wont stay there for a long time without excessive cleaning to remove it everytime its used. Paul Basset and Sunbeam made it clear on the website that fresh ground coffee is important. Not coffee that has been jammed in your machine for a few days.

    Sure I could send it back and get a new one but if they can fix the one I have then its all the better for sunbeam, and one less EM0480 that ends up as landfill. ;)

    The issue theyre addressing now is that the cradle/top burr doesnt sit flat in the silver collar. Its rocks from side to side. Does it sound like I have the EM0480 everyone else does?

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Have you seen my photos on the previous pages of the grinds stuck in my machine. This is after I have cleaned it the way that sunbeam says to. Of course you are going to get a bit of grind stuck up there but it sounds like you have one like me Invisible Insect and I think that is excesive grinds and yes a real waste!

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    Re: EM0480 - you often do you clean?

    Invisible Insect

    Sueb is right, all grinders retain some grinds but what you have is far too much...it is not normal
    Given you have a lot of play in that upper burr, perhaps that is throwing grinds around in places they shouldnt be.
    If the problem does not go away when your cradle/top burr problem is rectified, I would certainly get it replaced or credited.



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