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    Helor Stance - Motor

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
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    Just seen this new option ..... https://www.option-o.com/helor-stance-motor

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    Impressive at a reasonable price, especially compared to a Kafatek Monolith, literally half price. Have you seen or used the manual version?



    Edit, just realised they are quoting in US dollars. A little disappointing to have to pay a fee to and suffer an exchange loss to pay an Australian company. They quote the machine in US dollars and postage in Aus dollars, unusual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Impressive at a reasonable price, especially compared to a Kafatek Monolith, literally half price. Have you seen or used the manual version?



    Edit, just realised they are quoting in US dollars. A little disappointing to have to pay a fee to and suffer an exchange loss to pay an Australian company. They quote the machine in US dollars and postage in Aus dollars, unusual.
    No, as wanted a motorised unit...... me pretty lazy ...:-)

    Didn't pick that up either ..... was just taken by the lovely simple design :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Impressive at a reasonable price, especially compared to a Kafatek Monolith, literally half price. Have you seen or used the manual version?



    Edit, just realised they are quoting in US dollars. A little disappointing to have to pay a fee to and suffer an exchange loss to pay an Australian company. They quote the machine in US dollars and postage in Aus dollars, unusual.
    I contacted them re price cos I'm buying one (okay, wife doesn't know yet but she'll come around :-P). The price is AUD2390 which is a straight conversion from USD without fees because I'm here and includes free post. The first thing I saw was the price in USD so it didn't hurt too much.

    Sam in Melbourne at HB got one to do a review and I'll be paying Sam a visit with the DE to see how they get along. The DE and Helor that is..

    Edit; okay , no postage is free but is inc in price :-)
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    That makes total sense they can take a straight conversion and fair when we are both in the same country. I will be very interested to see how it gets along with the DE1 - you are getting good use out of the suitcase!
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    Well, I have to say if Decent had done a grinder from scratch to pair up with the DE1 the HSM would likely fit the bill like a sausage in a well oiled wellington.. RoR.. In fact, off hand I cant think of another grinder that looks like it was made for it.
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    JMcCee, will be very interested to see your opinion of the grinder. There really isn't may reviews around of the base stance, little alone the motorised version.

    Do you know where the Stance is made? They mention region and factory but without specifying. I think the motor looks locally made with an engineering company?


    Will say I think the copywriting must be done by someone who is 18 and thinks anything without a webpage doesn't exist. The first geared manual grinder? I distinctly remember a wooden coffee grinder my mother had in the 70s with side handle which was geared, as she asked me to repair it. Very accurate it was too, put any coffee beans into it, set it to any setting and it would always produce random sized nuggets to use in her prized Cona machine.
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    Keep an eye out for Sam's review on HB. Maybe he'll syphon off something for snobs here. I assume the thing is made here as Sam had to go and pick it up but perhaps the burr assembly comes from Trumpland.
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    Is this Sam Law with the Monolith? Would be a great comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcCee View Post
    perhaps the burr assembly comes from Trumpland.
    The burr assemblies are stated to be ex Italmill (standard offering) or Mazzer (upgrade), both Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Is this Sam Law with the Monolith? Would be a great comparison.
    That's the one. Sam brought the Mon Con when we played with the DE. Pretty impressive unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrebird View Post
    The burr assemblies are stated to be ex Italmill (standard offering) or Mazzer (upgrade), both Italian.
    I meant the whole machined carrier assembly that attaches to the motor housing. I'm only assuming because the manual grinder is made in the U.S..

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    Great news, I couldn't think of a better person to do a comparison. Will be interested to hear both your opinions.
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    JMcCee is right, I am testing one of their units, for almost a week now and after 1 kg+ of beans. Very impressive! Will be sharing my thoughts once I get to sit down and actually do some writing.
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    I too am looking forward to the report as I am trying to decide if I can part with the $3500+ it would cost to land the mon con here. Helor cost certainly is an easier pill to swallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuellaw178 View Post
    JMcCee is right, I am testing one of their units, for almost a week now and after 1 kg+ of beans. Very impressive! Will be sharing my thoughts once I get to sit down and actually do some writing.
    I claim 1st dibs on the crappy old Mon Con when you decide to keep the HSM..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcCee View Post
    I meant the whole machined carrier assembly that attaches to the motor housing. I'm only assuming because the manual grinder is made in the U.S..
    To clarify; Helor Stance is an Australian company. They are made here. What do they say about assuming?

    I saw the Motor in the flesh yesterday and tasted the espresso. I was very impressed.
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    I was impressed as well.
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    Sounds like plenty are impressed with the grinder.

    I googled last night to see if Sam's review had come out and saw it on HB, well worth a read for those following this thread. Sam I must say a very impressive review by you! Lots of detail. Your video was very clear to give an idea of operation. From your review it does seem for those of us in Australia that this is effectively a half price Monolith (with differences of course) and you get that nice feeling of buying an Australian product.

    I take it JMcCee you will be getting one to match the DE1+ ? I agree with your thoughts it visually looks a better match than their own grinder.
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    Thanks 338. Indeed, the Stance stood its ground even when placed side by side with the Monolith - at that price it's a bargain for us in Australia if you're in the market for a high-end grinder that single doses well. Now that the word is out, I think my Monolith resale value is gonna take a hit, ouch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Sounds like plenty are impressed with the grinder.

    I googled last night to see if Sam's review had come out and saw it on HB, well worth a read for those following this thread. Sam I must say a very impressive review by you! Lots of detail. Your video was very clear to give an idea of operation. From your review it does seem for those of us in Australia that this is effectively a half price Monolith (with differences of course) and you get that nice feeling of buying an Australian product.

    I take it JMcCee you will be getting one to match the DE1+ ? I agree with your thoughts it visually looks a better match than their own grinder.
    I am getting one but had to butter wife up with a few promises and like an idiot i was so excited about the flippin' grinder i forgot when to shut my big yap. She's gonna make my eyes bleed that woman before I get the damn grinder.

    Sam did do a fantastic review and I think what with potential sales that will ensue from it they should give it to him on permanent loan - and he'll have to sell the Mono ..


    Cheap :-P
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    I couldn't decide between the Niche and the HSM so today I tossed a coin. I ordered the Helor Stance. Barry on Basecamp mentioned he was after a small single doser to go with his DE and was considering the Niche and the HSM..

    The HSM is 19kg :SHOCK:
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcCee View Post
    To clarify; Helor Stance is an Australian company. They are made here. What do they say about assuming?

    I saw the Motor in the flesh yesterday and tasted the espresso. I was very impressed.
    If they are made in Australia why do they quote in US dollars, did i miss some thing here

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    If the exchange rate swings back to parity, that will make the HSM an even better deal in Oz?

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    Appears to be moving in the wrong direction unfortunately.

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    Go to the bottom of the page it says aus buyers use the PayPal button. It takes you to PayPal. Price is like 2390 aud.

    does help to read a whole page sometimes hey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughie View Post
    Go to the bottom of the page it says aus buyers use the PayPal button. It takes you to PayPal. Price is like 2390 aud.

    does help to read a whole page sometimes hey
    Yes it does help to read the whole page, and yes I did read the whole page, your point being?

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    Sorry I was skimming the thread

    i retract my statement

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    No problems mate, looks like a good grinder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logga View Post
    If they are made in Australia why do they quote in US dollars, did i miss some thing here
    Maybe they are expecting the majority of interest to be from o/s, and this gives a benchmark rate. Or it could give them a hedge against changes in exchange rates affecting the cost of manufacturing (if they are getting the work done in China, the Yuan is sort-of pegged against the USD). So, if the Aus dollar tanks, the rise in the AUD cost of manufacturing will be largely offset by the rise in the AUD equivalent selling price. Or some other reason.....
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    To be fair, whilst looking how to pay I also missed the Paypal button and emailed them. I felt like a dunce but the Paypal button should be directly under the 'Buy' thingie at the top. I already sold my soul to wifey to get the thing and ended up paying by direct deposit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Maybe they are expecting the majority of interest to be from o/s, and this gives a benchmark rate. Or it could give them a hedge against changes in exchange rates affecting the cost of manufacturing (if they are getting the work done in China, the Yuan is sort-of pegged against the USD). So, if the Aus dollar tanks, the rise in the AUD cost of manufacturing will be largely offset by the rise in the AUD equivalent selling price. Or some other reason.....
    ^^All of the above plus there's a bit of clever marketing in there. OZ is a tiny market compared to America and beyond so it makes sense to gat paid in USD in other markets excluding Australia.
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    JMcCee, I think you made the wise choice with the Helor compared to the Niche. Plenty of manual Helor's in the wild and their reviews, Sam did that fantastic and very detailed review and you have actually seen and tasted the results form the Helor. All versus one review on the Niche and none actually shipped yet to know what production quality will be like. I also actually think the Helor Stance exceeds the looks of your DE1.

    Plus the Helor is a bargain price per kilo! Less than I just paid for JBM and they are all gone, the Helor seems like lifetime investment
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    I think the Helors are made in Beijing or thereabouts. The Helor stuff we have came from them directly. Absolutely top quality.

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    Which model?

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    We bought the 101 to test and the 102 was available as well.

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    The plot thickens. I wonder what, if any of the HSM components have Chinese origins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcCee View Post
    The plot thickens. I wonder what, if any of the HSM components have Chinese origins.
    I don't think it matters because the quality of the units I have are really impressive. We were looking for a small hand grinder to pair with our small Robot machine but they said they were not ready for mass production yet.

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    Well, you're probably right. I'm extremely happy with my Hong Kong made DE..

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    Who else ordered one of these and of those hardy souls, who has their unit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunda View Post
    Who else ordered one of these and of those hardy souls, who has their unit?
    I did!
    I ordered Aug 28, which means Iím in the second batch. Mine just shipped this Monday and it needs to clear customs first, Iím in the USA
    Iím optimistic Iíll see it by the end of next week.

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    I ordered about the same time, but being in Australia I got mine a few days ago. I've seen your reports on H-B about US deliveries, Rimblas. My question was more about how many other Aussies ordered one? I get the sense that probably not that many, but I could be wrong. I gather JMcCee did.

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    I have had mine for maybe 6 weeks now. I am really happy with its performance.

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    Likewise. It measures up to that Samuel Law review on H-B rather well. Since you're about five weeks ahead of me, can I ask a couple of questions? Did you go through a burr seasoning exercise or did you let it happen progressively? Related to another current thread about flow and distribution, are you grinding into the metal cup, or are you grinding direct into the portafilter? I haven't mastered the knack of getting good distribution from direct grinding, particularly into a VST, but if someone else has I may try again now that the burrs are seasoned.

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    Every time I see "Helor Stance Motor", I just keep thinking it's some massive red robot shooting lasers and destroying a city... don't know why, that image just comes to me!

    Anyways, carry on! Looks like a cracker of a grinder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunda View Post
    Likewise. It measures up to that Samuel Law review on H-B rather well. Since you're about five weeks ahead of me, can I ask a couple of questions? Did you go through a burr seasoning exercise or did you let it happen progressively? Related to another current thread about flow and distribution, are you grinding into the metal cup, or are you grinding direct into the portafilter? I haven't mastered the knack of getting good distribution from direct grinding, particularly into a VST, but if someone else has I may try again now that the burrs are seasoned.
    Hi Gunda,
    I agree with you on what you said about Sam Law's HB review. It is what sold me on the idea of getting another grinder that I didn't really need!

    I have a few machines and have found that the Helor p/f fork accommodates some but not all p/fs...so I grind into the metal cup.

    I didn't try any seasoning regime. I have had really great results from the word go. The only real differences that I have noticed since Day #1 and now are that:-
    *now there are less grounds remaining on the funnel after grinding.
    *I have had to tighten the grind a tad (with the same beans) to get a mouse tail pour.

    I don't use VST baskets, so can't comment there.
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    Any news on this grinder? It seems like their website and instagram accounts have gone very quiet ...is everything ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretzal View Post
    Any news on this grinder? It seems like their website and instagram accounts have gone very quiet ...is everything ok?
    Well, I just looked at their website and apparently Option-O and Helor have merged. There's a recent post on their news page about the dosing funnel. I've not seen any evidence that they're in trouble. The big issue is when they're going to reopen orders again, but an inability to order is not unusual for low volume speciality grinders, like the Monolith and Niche.

    There isn't much discussion about the HSM here on CS, which I take to mean that most purchases have been overseas, particularly the US. Hence why most of the discussion about the HSM is on this thread on HB. A number a of us have been in recent communication with Option-O and things seemed normal.
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    Thanks very much for the info. Seems a shame that a local product hasn't got more support at home. I wish then the best and will read thoroughly the post you suggested ��

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    It's hard to know what the local sales have been. You'd think that if there had been a substantial number then there would be more action here on CS. But it may just be that the local owners aren't FFP (frequent forum posters). Also, that initial Samuel Law review was on HB, and that seems to have created a critical mass of discussion over on HB.
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