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    Advice on second grinder

    Hi all.

    I currently have a BES920 and smart grinder pro and am looking to upgrade the grinder. (Eventually I want to replace the 920 with and ECM synchronika, but that will have to wait until next year. )
    I bought this pair to just get my feet wet so to speak. However I'm hooked and am looking to get something a little nicer.

    We make 4-6 coffees a day, pretty much all latte. But I figure I should still have the best grinder I can afford. Budget is $1500 max.

    I'd like something that I won't want or need to upgrade again. Something that is relatively quiet and quick as well, and no higher than about 450mm. I don't want it to be too overpowering in the kitchen.
    I'm also not great on maintenance, so the easier to clean/take apart the better too. (lazy)

    So on to my list.

    1. Ceado E37S Love pretty much everything about this grinder, apart from the tall hopper, which can be replaced, and the price.
    2. Eureka Atom. This would seem to suit also, well priced.
    3. Mazzer Mini Electronic
    4. ?

    I'd really love the Ceado, however it seems it is only available in one place in Australia and therefore not much reason to give any discount.

    I'm also located in country SA, so happy to buy from anywhere really. It would have to be posted regardless.

    Thoughts and opinions ?

    Thanks
    Jamie
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post
    Hi all.

    But I figure I should still have the best grinder I can afford. Budget is $1500 max.


    Spot on. In my view, the sweet spot in your budget is the 64mm class.

    Look at the ECM S64, Profitec T64 and the Rocket Fausto.

    Fantastic bulletproof grinders that will serve you for many years.

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    Whole Latte Love do a side-by-side comparison of the Ceado and Atom. Have you seen it? They find it difficult to separate the two, the Atom is on my wish list. They’re both easy to clean and your grind settings are retained when taking the top burr off for cleaning. Both will pair nicely with the ECM.
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    Did you want a doser? If not the very quiet Atom and put the rest toward a machine. Otherwise what herzog said. There's some good reviews on Seattle coffee gear.
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    Hi Jamie, are you sure the Ceado is sold in Australia? Or Is it just one of those overseas sites with names like Cafe Italia Australia? Might be worth checking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Hi Jamie, are you sure the Ceado is sold in Australia? Or Is it just one of those overseas sites with names like Cafe Italia Australia? Might be worth checking.
    I guarantee you Cafe Italia Australia is not in Australia. Bordering on illegal advertising the way they work.

    There prices do not include GST, although they say they do.

    When you buy from them you will be charged GST and an $80 government import fee. By then its too late when the goods are sitting in Australian Customs.

    Wilson, if you do want an Atom and are ready now send me a PM and we will gladly help a CS member

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    Antony is spot on. Years ago before I knew better I looked at Café Italia Aus for a new Pavoni and rang the 'Oz' number to enquire. After some basic detective work it turned out to be a dude in a piano shop in the Dandenongs who admitted he was paid a token amount to answer 'Café Italia' and to tell people to just order on-line. Caveat emptor..
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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    Spot on. In my view, the sweet spot in your budget is the 64mm class.

    Look at the ECM S64, Profitec T64 and the Rocket Fausto.

    Fantastic bulletproof grinders that will serve you for many years.
    Hi herzog,

    Thanks for your reply.

    I quite like the ECM S64, but I wonder how it compares noise wise to the others.
    I was under the impression the Fausto is made by Eureka for Rocket ?

    Cheers
    Jamie

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyhakins View Post
    Whole Latte Love do a side-by-side comparison of the Ceado and Atom. Have you seen it? They find it difficult to separate the two, the Atom is on my wish list. They’re both easy to clean and your grind settings are retained when taking the top burr off for cleaning. Both will pair nicely with the ECM.
    Hi crazyhakins,

    Yes, have watched that video. Very nice. However they tested the Ceado E37J not the E37S. I think I'd rather the Atom over the E37J.

    The Whole Latte Love guys seem to love the Ceado, and even say in another video the E37S is their all time favourite grinder.

    Cheers
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    Hi JMcCee,

    Thanks for your reply.

    I don't want a doser no.

    Yup lots of great reviews and videos out there. Which is great.

    Cheers
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    Hi 338,

    Yup good point! Thanks for pointing this out. Yes it was Cafe Italia Australia.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcCee View Post
    Antony is spot on. Years ago before I knew better I looked at Café Italia Aus for a new Pavoni and rang the 'Oz' number to enquire. After some basic detective work it turned out to be a dude in a piano shop in the Dandenongs who admitted he was paid a token amount to answer 'Café Italia' and to tell people to just order on-line. Caveat emptor..
    Haha, well oddly enough I rang them today also. Took about 4 calls to actually get anyone, and then yes he did tell me to order online.

    I run an importing business with an online store, and I really hate seeing this sort of behaviour. Adding to the disappointment, why are there no Ceado dealers in Australia ?? They seem to be great grinders.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post
    Hi herzog,

    Thanks for your reply.

    I quite like the ECM S64, but I wonder how it compares noise wise to the others.
    I was under the impression the Fausto is made by Eureka for Rocket ?

    Cheers
    Jamie
    Yes the Fausto is made by Eureka. A great grinder but doesn’t have the silent technology of the Atom

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    Australia is a small market in the greater scheme of coffee things so I suspect Ceado made a decision not to sell here considering the already plethora of grinder brands available here. Maybe a sponsor might like to put their hand up.

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    Getting approval to sell an electrical appliance in Australia involves work and cost, may need to change things during manufacture of Australian spec models etc. That hurdle may have made it less appealing given the other grinders already available here to compete with.
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    Well it seems the Ceado is off the table. Not buying from a grey importer, especially one that is not up front about how they run their business.

    So other than the Atom, which was my first choice before I came across the Ceado, there doesn't seem to be many other options in my price range that are relatively compact and quiet.

    I do quite like the ECM V Titan 64, although a little more expensive, it looks like it might be more robust, however probably much louder in operation. Although it grinds so much quicker!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post
    Well it seems the Ceado is off the table. Not buying from a grey importer, especially one that is not up front about how they run their business.
    Jamie, you should take one for the team! Buy from the 'piano dude' and let the forum know how good his backup and service is? You will be known as bowling balls Jamie for your bravery, where I will forever be known as marbles for taking the safe option of buying an Atom for a sponsor, Casa Espresso.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Jamie, you should take one for the team! Buy from the 'piano dude' and let the forum know how good his backup and service is? You will be known as bowling balls Jamie for your bravery, where I will forever be known as marbles for taking the safe option of buying an Atom for a sponsor, Casa Espresso.

    Haha, er no....

    Tried to contact Case Espresso today, but couldn't get hold of anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post
    Haha, er no....

    Tried to contact Case Espresso today, but couldn't get hold of anyone.
    He is too effing busy trying to sell pianos!!! He figures the grass must be greener on the other side of the fence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post
    Haha, er no....

    Tried to contact Case Espresso today, but couldn't get hold of anyone.
    Hi Wilson,

    yes when i went to call you back i hit 6 on my phone rather then 3 and it deleted your message.

    Give me a call back when you are free 0411 648 487

    Piano sales have been slow this week so I think we will stick to purely coffee related equipment

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    I guarantee you Cafe Italia Australia is not in Australia. Bordering on illegal advertising the way they work.

    There prices do not include GST, although they say they do.

    When you buy from them you will be charged GST and an $80 government import fee. By then its too late when the goods are sitting in Australian Customs.

    Wilson, if you do want an Atom and are ready now send me a PM and we will gladly help a CS member

    cheers

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    Thanks for the heads up on this. I had noticed when shopping around that some of their prices looked almost too good. Website and everything seemed all above board too. Something just didn't smell right though. I looked up their listed address and it was a serviced office in the middle of Sydney. Made me suspect it was a grey importer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    Hi Wilson,

    yes when i went to call you back i hit 6 on my phone rather then 3 and it deleted your message.

    Give me a call back when you are free 0411 648 487

    Piano sales have been slow this week so I think we will stick to purely coffee related equipment

    cheers

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    Hi Antony,

    All good. Thanks for getting back to me both in PM and phone.

    Cheers
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    Thanks Antony for the great service.

    I purchased a Eureka Atom grinder, which arrived today. A nice solid piece of equipment, and very quiet. Need to spend some serious time dialling it in though!

    One interesting observation between the Breville and Atom. I could easily get 21g into my pf before, but now the grinds are so much fluffier that I struggle to get more than about 18 before I either need to stop or try and shake the pf. Otherwise I get spill over. Something to get used to I guess.

    Thanks again.

    Cheers
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    Glad you got the problem solved Jamie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post
    Need to spend some serious time dialling it in though!
    Make sure you keep the level of the bend in the hopper as consistent as you can while dialling in or you'll end up chasing your tale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    Make sure you keep the level of the bend in the hopper as consistent as you can while dialling in or you'll end up chasing your tale.
    Do you mean try and keep the same amount of beans in the hopper whilst dialling ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonj View Post
    Do you mean try and keep the same amount of beans in the hopper whilst dialling ?
    I mean different levels of beans in the hopper will produce a different size particle for the same setting. Due to the retention if you change the grind setting after every shot you pull and you're not topping up the hopper you'll be making a shot with a grind size from a setting or two previous. You'll pull a good shot and then try to do it again but either because you changed the grind setting the shot before or the level of beans in the hopper has dropped significantly the next shot won't be the same even though you didn't change anything.
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    Thanks for clarification.

    I haven't been topping up after every shot, but certainly not running it empty.

    Although in day to day practise I will have to do the same if I want any consistency then! Almost like single dosing, but with extra beans in the hopper.

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    I generally top up after about 4 double shots. I think it's more important now while you're dialling in because you're not used to it, so you won't know to make an allowance for minor changes.

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