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    HG-1 Cost (Landed in Australia)

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    If you choose to buy a HG-1 (using bank to bank funds transfer, in my case) expect the initially reasonable $994.95 USD To blow out somewhat. This is how it panned out for me:

    USA price $ 994.95 USD.
    Shipping from USA $ 212.00 USD.
    Total $1,206.95 USD

    Converted to AUD $1,630.34 AUD.
    Bank fee to convert $ 88.72 AUD.
    Bank transfer fee $ 12.00 AUD.
    Grand total $1,731.06 AUD.
    Which bank? I'm not saying (a clue - Could Be Australian).

    Luckily, I opted for the HG-1 over the ($3,295 USD) EG-1. Either way, nobody twisted my arm. Would've been nice to know though.
    Ps haven't received the machine yet but am dreading a surprise cherry on top - added GST.

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    I think you are correct, most likely there will be a few more surprises. Either GST or possibly clearance fee by the carrier. I would just look at it like the difficulty of the pursuit makes the prize all the sweeter. Look forward to your opinion once it lands.

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    Unfortunately you will also be hit with duty. Unless they include a COO certificate. ( assuming the item meets the requirements)

    Also, you might like to try a forex broker in future. A little more messing around to setup an account, but you don't get the ridiculous transfer fees that banks charge. And you usually get a better rate as well.

    Looks like a nice grinder though!
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    0.74 is very close to the current exchange rate (as at writing) so it looks like they are taking it all in the 5% fee plus $12 "I found another fee". Others charge lower fees and higher spreads.

    As mentioned, prepare for customs fee, possible duty, plus GST on all of the above. I had a worst case years ago where they added an arbitrary 20% "local seller margin" (which they kept for themselves) then GST, even though nobody local sold the thing in question; of course.

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    I bought mine in 2014...when one of our dollars was worth more than 3 flat rocks...and it was a shade less than AUSD1400 in total.

    It is a great grinder.

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    I would recommend looking second hand in Aus (although having gone through that exercise a few years back they don't come up often) as the quality of build means they can take a few years of punishment and still work like new. I picked up a second hand one a little over 2 years ago and it still feels like brand new. In case you haven't had the opportunity to try one out, they do take a bit of effort to grind espresso (much more than i anticipated prior to buying, but not enough to make me want to trade it in) but i am looking to screw mine into the table which makes the grinding process a little easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    If you choose to buy a HG-1 (using bank to bank funds transfer, in my case) expect the initially reasonable $994.95 USD To blow out somewhat. This is how it panned out for me:

    USA price $ 994.95 USD.
    Shipping from USA $ 212.00 USD.
    Total $1,206.95 USD

    Converted to AUD $1,630.34 AUD.
    Bank fee to convert $ 88.72 AUD.
    Bank transfer fee $ 12.00 AUD.
    Grand total $1,731.06 AUD.
    Which bank? I'm not saying (a clue - Could Be Australian).
    Probably too late now, but itís worth looking at services like TransferWise. Would have cost only AU$1632, Thy usually have the money into the US bank account by the next day.
    Bank fees and timeframes for international transfers are a complete rort.

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    I've seen only one for sale on Gumtree in the last few months, at ~$1k mark. It's rare probably due to how good it is

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    HG-1 Arrived without any additional expenses re original post.

    1st impressions:
    1) Packaging: Outstanding, best I've seen - see pics.20180811_030518.jpg20180811_030847.jpg20180811_040152.jpg
    2) HG-1 build: Like a brick s**t house but prettier. Over engineered where it counts.
    3) Ease of use: I used to think people who complained about how hard these things were to crank, or fitted them with motors, just didn't grasp the concept of a little healthy exercise - I used to. Given the choice, 15g through HG-1 or 15g through Lido E; the Lido E every time - at least at this pre-seasoned stage. I believe it gets easier as the burrs bed in. That can't happen soon enough for me.

    I dialled in at 13.2 (13 1/5) from zero for CSs own 'Decaf Wow!' There are 15 numbered divisions, each of which are subdivided into 5 units. Effectively giving 75 lockable adjustment steps per full turn of the adjustment ring.

    Ps Lyn Weber Workshops proved honest & helpful.
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    Congrats! I have the earlier version with 71mm burrs and it spins easy. Your model I believe has the modified gears to reduce effort with the 83's.

    You are just going to love that machine.

    I can't remember when I got mine but it must be a while ago when the dollar was good because from memory it landed here for less than one banana.
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    You are just going to love that machine..[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the words of encouragement.
    For me, using HG-1 is like riding a bike uphill in top gear - hard work. Risking physical injury to save 20 odd seconds just doesn't add up.
    However, there are techniques to lessen the risk, and the consensus (other than fitting a motor) seems to be on getting it to stay put. With this in mind, I temporarily clamped HG-1 to my kitchen bench. The result was night and day. A permanent bolt down/glue down/clamp down, whatever solution, is on the drawing board as I write.
    Ps the 'in cup' improvements have convinced me this machine is worth taming.20180813_152517.jpg

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    I've been using the Tenura Extreme grip mat with my HG-1 and had great results with it.
    It's holds really well and can be unstuck and restuck. Useful for when I have wanted to bring the grinder on a road trip. Just rinse with water and let dry and sticks as if it was brand new. Works on my uneven wood bench just as well as stone bench.
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    Thanks for suggesting the Tenura Extreme grip mat. A couple of questions, if I may. Given that this mat measures 20cm x 20cm and the HG-1 measures 21.5cm x 21.5cm, at its base, did you experience any problems with the shortfall?
    Secondly, could the (seemingly non-removable) rubber feet on the Hg-1 constitute an obstruction?
    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    Given that this mat measures 20cm x 20cm and the HG-1 measures 21.5cm x 21.5cm, at its base, did you experience any problems with the shortfall?
    No issues with the size. The mat has more than enough contact area with the base of the grinder to ensure it does not budge during grinding.
    It's probably a good thing it's slightly smaller. If it was exactly the same size as the base all the stray grinds would stick to the visible edge(s) and that would definitely annoy me.
    Also having the overhang allows you to get something (i.e. teaspoon, or wooden chopstick) under a corner of the base to lift it up and unstick it from the mat. Without the overhang I would imagine it to be very difficult to get off the table.

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    Secondly, could the (seemingly non-removable) rubber feet on the Hg-1 constitute an obstruction?
    Thanks in advance.
    I removed my four rubber feet from the base as there would of been overlap if I left them and tried to stick the Tenura mat on.
    The four rubber feet came off relatively easy on my grinder. I'm not sure if the way they have been adhered to the base has changed over the years, but I just pried mine off the recessed holes. To be fair, my rubber feet were starting to come off when I started looking into the Tenura mat.
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    Checked the prices of Tenura Extreme mats on eBay.
    $150 + GST - from USA.
    $38.83 + $7.50 Postage + GST - from UK.
    Or, 10 x Anti Slip Gel Pads for under $4 delivered - from China. Clear, 6cm square or 8cm round.
    Guess which ones I ordered. I'll try them out and post my results.
    The UK price seemed a bit excessive for a 20cm x20cm silicone mat. This is not some space age super material. It's been around for years (think TENS electro gel pads etc). The US price is just ridiculous, but then the saying "There's a sucker born every minute" originated there.

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    Wow, that's ridiculous.
    I can't remember how much it cost when I ordered it. Thought it was close to 25ish including shipping through Amazon.
    Hopefully those gel pads provide a large enough contact area to keep it still.
    (edit: since you get so many, I presume you will just line the entire base with squares/round pads, should grip quite well)

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    I'm thinking 9 square ones should do it. In any event, ordered 20 of each - just in case. Cheap enough and besides, might have other uses I haven't thought of yet. The ads show them stuck to a wall, with keys etc stuck to them, so should be sticky enough to hold a HG-1 steady.
    Could take a while to get here though, but then, it can take a while to get things from the UK or USA as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    Checked the prices of Tenura Extreme mats on eBay.
    $150 + GST - from USA.
    $38.83 + $7.50 Postage + GST - from UK.
    Or, 10 x Anti Slip Gel Pads for under $4 delivered - from China. Clear, 6cm square or 8cm round.
    Guess which ones I ordered. I'll try them out and post my results.
    The UK price seemed a bit excessive for a 20cm x20cm silicone mat. This is not some space age super material. It's been around for years (think TENS electro gel pads etc). The US price is just ridiculous, but then the saying "There's a sucker born every minute" originated there.
    The Ebay one sounds like the usual Ebay AU pump up the price so no-one will buy it - but we can say we have 2 million items on the AU store that we don't need to stock as no-one in their right mind will buy them. Heaps of examples of it when you go looking. $10 pencil set on US Ebay is $125 here in AU.

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    Have you checked out this website, probably not what they had in mind when selling them though... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockford View Post
    The Ebay one sounds like the usual Ebay AU pump up the price so no-one will buy it - but we can say we have 2 million items on the AU store that we don't need to stock as no-one in their right mind will buy them. Heaps of examples of it when you go looking. $10 pencil set on US Ebay is $125 here in AU.
    In my understanding eBay don't actually stock anything themselves (like Amazon does for some items). The outrageous pricing comes from when sellers set up items as having "free" postage which eBay automatically calculates and includes in the price. Most sellers in the US won't have good postage rates for posting to Australia. Sometimes you'll see it when similar items are "free" postage and normal postage and you can see that the postage is $100 and the item $25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    In my understanding eBay don't actually stock anything themselves (like Amazon does for some items). The outrageous pricing comes from when sellers set up items as having "free" postage which eBay automatically calculates and includes in the price. Most sellers in the US won't have good postage rates for posting to Australia. Sometimes you'll see it when similar items are "free" postage and normal postage and you can see that the postage is $100 and the item $25.

    the ones I am talking about usually all have $19.95 postage, and there is always only 3 left/available.

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    Between the manufacturer and buyer (us) we have a seller, a packer, an electronic storefront (Ebay), a payment facilitator (Paypal), a bank, the ATO, a freight forwarder and others no doubt. I suppose we shouldn't be too p****d off about the high prices, after all, we've got a lot of people to support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockford View Post
    the ones I am talking about usually all have $19.95 postage, and there is always only 3 left/available.
    I'm pretty sure they have a thing with fixed postage too that works the same as the free postage calculator. The only having 3 left is something sellers can do by selling a really cheap product for a low price and then completely change the photos and title, description etc a bit at a time so eBay doesn't pick it up as completely changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    Checked the prices of Tenura Extreme mats on eBay.
    $150 + GST - from USA.
    $38.83 + $7.50 Postage + GST - from UK.
    Or, 10 x Anti Slip Gel Pads for under $4 delivered - from China. Clear, 6cm square or 8cm round.
    Guess which ones I ordered. I'll try them out and post my results.
    Silicone sticky squares arrived - purchased 15 Aug, landed 04 Sep.
    The rubber feet on the HG-1 (very short as rubber feet go) protrude by only 2.5mm so 3 squares stuck together at 3.5mm gave me sufficient clearance. I used 12 squares in total - see pic below.
    To test, I reefed on it with more force than normal grinding should produce (if in doubt, there's room for 9 more squares).
    Conclusion: for about 6 or 7 bucks, a little effort and some patience it is possible to reversibly secure HG-1 to a work bench.

    ebay: 10pcs Reusable Car Holder Sticker Sticky Super...
    Seller: savecash4you_2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    Ease of use: I used to think people who complained about how hard these things were to crank, or fitted them with motors, just didn't grasp the concept of a little healthy exercise - I used to. Given the choice, 15g through HG-1 or 15g through Lido E; the Lido E every time - at least at this pre-seasoned stage. I believe it gets easier as the burrs bed in. That can't happen soon enough for me.
    Three weeks and about 1kg of beans have mellowed HG-1. It's not as intermittently grabby (is that even a real word?) nor does it require as much torque as it initially did. Whether due to burr seasoning, gluing it to my bench or muscle gain, I can't say - a combination of all three I suspect.

    My initial reaction of "You have got to be effing kidding me", has likewise mellowed. If the Gods will it, I'll be seventy next year so, if I can manage it... Besides it only takes 16 or 17 turns to grind 15g - Lido E, by contrast, takes 70+ turns.

    I can't see myself ever going back to a hopper, unless I open a coffee shop or suddenly become wildly popular (unlikely and even less likely). Even if my arm or shoulder gave out, I'd stick with a single dosing grinder, albeit a motorized one.
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    Well done! Even with the 71mm burrs my first thought was 'holy crap, HG must stand for Heavy Going!' All good now though and no regrets.
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    So much for conventional wisdom about first impressions. Is nothing sacred?

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    An update for those who might be wondering if the silicone squares held up with real life use. Yes, absolutely rock solid. I often grind with both hands on the crank - a bit awkward but doable (an optional longer crank handle? Maybe a handle added to the left, like on a pushbike?).

    Ps the round silicone pads I ordered at the same time as the square ones, arrived on 17 Sep. They aren't as tacky. I'd recommend sticking with the square ones (sorry, couldn't resist that one).
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    hi OCD, I am considering going down this route myself. I am tossing up between an electric Compak k10 and the HG-1 or possibly Kinu M68. Just wondering how your experience has been so far? I also recently bought a Pharos but found it too difficult to turn, I am pretty sure it was down to the pharos itself it took almost 2 people to get it to turn..anyway just thought I would see If you would recommend the HG-1? Cheers

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    The HG has been our only grinder for a number of years now and my wife is happy using it for her DE1 so it can't be too bad. The Pharos on the other hand is the clunky Neandathal of grinders compared to the HG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimz View Post
    just thought I would see If you would recommend the HG-1?
    Hi jimz,
    I have the Pharos' little brother, the Lido E and wouldn't part with it. May I suggest that before you give up on the Pharos, secure it to a bench. I was ready to ditch the HG-1 until I clamped it - night and day. The cranking hand does it easier than the holding hand, both for the HG-1, the Lido E and I suspect the Pharos too. Also, when the grinder is clamped you can use both hands to turn the crank - I do.
    If you are set on a HG-1, they're a work of art but still a hand grinder.
    Ps they get easier to crank when the burrs season. Effort required smoothes out - less grabby.

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    Thanks guys. Regarding the Pharos, I was planning on clamping it, I did for a little while and it was easier - but read that this could cause issues with the alignment. I also read that holding it by the main bolts, which made it a bit easier could also make it come out of alignment. I was not keen to disassemble and realign the Burrs in near future . still on the fence at the moment between Hg-1 and a Compak k-10. I do also have a Lido 3 for pour over and have not had any issues with that one, it is much easier to turn. All the best with the hg-1 it looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcCee View Post
    The HG has been our only grinder for a number of years now and my wife is happy using it for her DE1
    Sweet setup. A HG-1, a DE1 and a missus who knows how to use them. Adding a Monolith Conical (for when there's a crowd) would make it just about perfect. At least from where I sit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimz View Post
    Still on the fence at the moment between Hg-1 and a Compak k-10.
    A quick Google search on the Compak K-10 brought up the same problems that drove me to offload my Mazzer and Rocky. Two of them being: grinds retention and massive hoppers more suited to high volume retail outlets - see pics. One of the pics shows an all to common mod for these type of grinders (hopper reduction). Problematic at best. If you like to crack your eggs with a sledge hammer, with the accompanying mess, go with the Compak. Personally I lust after a Monolith Conical but I'd be sleeping in the dog kennel if I tried to go there.
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    Yeah I have read the K10 is one of the better large conical for minimising retention however not as good as easy as the HG-1 because you need to brush the chute out and pulse the grinder a few times. And the price being the other factor, it will be about the same price for the two. Wondering how long did it take to arrive from day of order? I am still quite keen on the HG-1 because you rarely read anything bad about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimz View Post
    Wondering how long did it take to arrive from day of order? I am still quite keen on the HG-1 because you rarely read anything bad about it.
    Ordered 02 Aug arrived 10 Aug.

    The retention should be comparable with your Lido 3 which with RDT is negligible. Think of the HG-1 as a Lido 3 on steroids.
    Cost wise, If you take depreciation and expected lifespan into account, you should be ahead. No electrical cord (put it wherever you like - no voltage or plug issues). Free exercise (this may be a negative). Quiet. Not fugly (subjective). Helpful feedback from your beans - or so I've read (sounds a bit tree huggy to me, but then, wouldn't surprise me).
    Did I miss anything?
    Best of luck with whatever you decide.

    Ps check out the Compak camp for balance. Too expensive to get it wrong.

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    I received my HG1 few weeks ago and I just think that is the most amazing "machine" I ever dialed with.

    After running a couple of kgs I can say that grind quality and the low retention make this grinder the best in its class.




    ps. I did not have to pay for GST or duty with DHL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vittorio View Post
    I received my HG1 few weeks ago and I just think that is the most amazing "machine" I ever dialed with.
    Yeah, whether by fluke or design it looks like we got lucky, and It's only going to get better as the burrs become seasoned.
    Any negative reports, predominately relate to the effort required to grind by hand. A typical complaint goes something like "I can manage if it's just the missus and me, but it gets too hard if I have a bunch of mates over?" Can't speak for anyone else, but if I was slaving over a hot coffee machine and couldn't get one of my mates to chip in with a bit of grinding, I'd keep the grinder and get rid of the "mates".

    Ps why aren't machines like HG-1, Cremina etc developed and manufactured in Australia, after all, we are the clever country? Aren't we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    Ps why aren't machines like HG-1, Cremina etc developed and manufactured in Australia, after all, we are the clever country? Aren't we?
    Have you had a look at the Helor Stance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    Have you had a look at the Helor Stance?
    I stand corrected. When I was doing my, admittedly less than thorough, grinder research the name 'Helor Stance' never even came up on my radar. A viable Australian alternative to a HG-1, a Monolith Conical and a 'War of the Worlds' tripod - way to go.

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    They even have a motor kit for it now
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    level3ninja is there a motor kit for HG1 on sale?

    I would be interested

    thanks

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    No idea sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimz View Post
    Thanks guys. Regarding the Pharos, I was planning on clamping it, I did for a little while and it was easier - but read that this could cause issues with the alignment. I also read that holding it by the main bolts, which made it a bit easier could also make it come out of alignment. I was not keen to disassemble and realign the Burrs in near future . still on the fence at the moment between Hg-1 and a Compak k-10. I do also have a Lido 3 for pour over and have not had any issues with that one, it is much easier to turn. All the best with the hg-1 it looks great.
    Ive just received the new crowd funded Ďniche zeroí and itís exactly what you want. So impressed. I was considering a Pharos or hg-1 for years, and he big electric conicals, but held off and am glad I did. I got a Lido E a couple of years ago while I waited for the right product and it will serve well as a travel grinder for aeropress

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    My first issue with HG1. The crank handle shaft/axle unscrewed itself, until it was held on by a single thread, at which point it ripped out half of that single thread (see pic).
    Just to be clear; the HG1 crank handle is beautifully engineered, to the point that the shaft is attached via a left handed thread, specifically to prevent what happened from happening.
    It seems my habit of winding the handle backwards to clear the chute, prior to grinding, was enough to circumvent Lyn Weber Workshop's best efforts. Happily, enough threads remained to reattach the shaft, but I wouldn't want to make a habit of it. In future I'll be keeping a wary eye on the first perceivable sign of trouble i.e. the gap between the handle and crank.

    Ps definitely a case of 'lefty loosey'.

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    I fear that since my first issue with HG1 surfaced I've become hypervigilant. During grinding a hitherto unnoticed looseness between HG1 and my kitchen bench top has become apparent. Thinking that the gel pads are losing adhesion I grabbed a torch and had an inspect. I was half right. Adhesion has been compromised, but not with the gel pads. The formica, or whatever it is, has started to part company with the bench itself. Shite! Didn't see that coming.

    Ps to make matters worse, the missus just informed me that these things always come in threes.

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    HG1 Maintenance

    Seemingly of a sudden, my HG1 became loose and inconsistent. Time for some maintenance.
    Pulling the covers off revealed that two grub screws and a bolt had come loose.
    After some lube and a tighten up she was as good as new again.
    When dialling in, I try for a coffee grounds output of about one gram per revolution of the crank. My sweet spot on the adjusting ring is 13.4 from zero, which will be my future starting point.
    Maybe I should've used Loctite. If things come loose again, I probably will.

    Ps the picture (below) might help explain how I went about putting things right.

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