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Thread: Baratza Sette 270Wi Foil the mess with a tray catcher

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    Baratza Sette 270Wi Foil the mess with a tray catcher

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    It's not the most elegant solution.
    It's not even elegant. But for now the "solution" has ended the scornful looks dished from my wife every time her clean kitchen sponge became saturated with my gritty coffee grounds wiped from her bench top.

    I'll either use a vacuum cleaner on the tray, or remove the grinder and empty the tray straight into the rubbish bin now and then
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    What about a portafilter funnel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    What about a portafilter funnel?
    The mess is caused by grinds shooting down the burrs with force and speed and then bouncing off the rising mound of grinds in the portafilter.

    I tried some funnelling system but it obscures the grind adjuster.

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    Not sure if it is available in Australia, but Baratza sell an addon that gives you more room between the chute and group handle. Could possibly fix the ground coffee falling out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyeba View Post
    Not sure if it is available in Australia, but Baratza sell an addon that gives you more room between the chute and group handle. Could possibly fix the ground coffee falling out.
    Nice find... https://www.baratza.com/product/sett...taholder-fork/

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    Hmm this is strange, how come I've heard from other users there is no mess whatsoever, and seen videos of it grinding into the basket with no mess as well? I wonder what the difference is that's causing it.. are your grounds coming out clumpy or really fluffy (clump-free) mate?

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    I donít get mess on mine unless it overflows. I donít get grinds ďbouncingĒ and flying about.

    Iíve found if I use an 18g basket I get no mess. If I use a 24g basket I get overflow and mess.

    Doesnít make sense but thatís my results!!

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    If you have the headroom then usually there is no spills. My PF is relatively tall so I grind say 13 g, remove, tap to settle, grind 9g. No spillage.

    The other day I did a roast of Indian beans and oh boy, it was static city. I swear the grinds were exiting the chute, turning 180 degrees and sticking all over the adjusting collar. Seemed there was more grinds out the basket than in it. Weird.

    No idea what caused it? Itís fine again after these beans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    If you have the headroom then usually there is no spills. My PF is relatively tall so I grind say 13 g, remove, tap to settle, grind 9g. No spillage.

    The other day I did a roast of Indian beans and oh boy, it was static city. I swear the grinds were exiting the chute, turning 180 degrees and sticking all over the adjusting collar. Seemed there was more grinds out the basket than in it. Weird.

    No idea what caused it? Itís fine again after these beans.

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    Ah fascinating... may be bean-dependent!

    Just curious artman (am assuming yours is the 270W), have you set two presets, one 13g and one 9g? I was wondering how the weight based grinding worked there... and also curious if you have to keep the portafilter on the forks the whole time or if you can move the portafilter around for distribution (which may help to solve the massive cone issue that's formed in the centre, as you're distributing more evenly). Or whether that would affect what's ground out due to removing it off the weightscale :s

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    Mine is the 270W.

    I have two presets, 13 and 9. So i grind the 13, remove PF, tap to settle etc, insert PF, select 9g, grind, done. so essentially it is two separate doses.

    If your PF is normal, I reckon you could grind in one hit and the cone of grinds would be lower then the chute. The cafelat is relatively quite tall.

    THe scales seem quite smart. eg if grinding in manual mode, you can pause, remove PF, reinsert and take off where you left. The weighing is "live".

    One "glitch" with the manual mode, is that the display stays lit until you select one of the presets which then dim the display after a while. One would have thoguth the unit would be programmed to go to sleep and turn off the display after a few minutes of no activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Mine is the 270W.

    I have two presets, 13 and 9. So i grind the 13, remove PF, tap to settle etc, insert PF, select 9g, grind, done. so essentially it is two separate doses.

    If your PF is normal, I reckon you could grind in one hit and the cone of grinds would be lower then the chute. The cafelat is relatively quite tall.

    THe scales seem quite smart. eg if grinding in manual mode, you can pause, remove PF, reinsert and take off where you left. The weighing is "live".

    One "glitch" with the manual mode, is that the display stays lit until you select one of the presets which then dim the display after a while. One would have thoguth the unit would be programmed to go to sleep and turn off the display after a few minutes of no activity.

    Cheers
    Ah cheers for that artman. Am very close to possibly getting a 270Wi... just ticks alot of boxes for me, just of course concerned with durability and the life of it. But I just love the design and low retention.

    I've always been used to dosing into the portafilter while moving it around so the grounds get distributed evenly throughout the basket (and not leaving it centered in a big cone), but it seems the grounds are fluffy enough that they would distribute around decently enough anyway.

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    Yes distribution is great.

    You canít touch the PF or anything during dosing as it upsets it and stops. The scale system is very sensitive.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    The mess is caused by grinds shooting down the burrs with force and speed and then bouncing off the rising mound of grinds in the portafilter.

    I tried some funnelling system but it obscures the grind adjuster.
    What brand did you try? Maybe you need a nice low profile one like an Orphan Espresso funnel or a Coffee Catcha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Yes distribution is great.

    You canít touch the PF or anything during dosing as it upsets it and stops. The scale system is very sensitive.

    Cheers
    Ah that's awesome to hear.

    Ahhh yep THAT'S what I was wondering about! Whether you can dose a set preset but whilst still holding the portafilter to get the grounds evenly around the basket, but it must depend on the weight of the portafilter resting on their in order for it to dose the preset weight, gotcha! Cheers

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    The grinds are very fluffy and centrally deposited in the basket. One tap on the bench or side of the PF settles the mound flat.

    Any ďmessĒ that happens (except the single mega static episode I recently had) is when the grind mound it too high and reaches up into the dispensing throat , so when you remove the PF some grounds get knocked off and out of the PF. This is avoided doing the two stage dose.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    Hmm this is strange, how come I've heard from other users there is no mess whatsoever, and seen videos of it grinding into the basket with no mess as well? I wonder what the difference is that's causing it.. are your grounds coming out clumpy or really fluffy (clump-free) mate?
    Well, there is a mess, and some people here are obviously trying to avoid it too.

    I definitely don't want two-stage processes mentioned here. Press the button and auto stop. That's what it was built for and one feature that attracted me to it.

    The portafilter must not be touched during grinding. The 270wi is supposed to have ironed out bugs of its predecessor 270w (no i) partly caused by unsteadiness there.

    You can't, for example, push down the conical mound with a spoon during grinding because that would upset the weighing.

    I wouldn't describe the grind as clumpy or fluffy...it's whatever it has to be to extract 18 grams (the basket is at least 20 g) in 25 ish seconds.

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    I have the W and Id say the grinds are FLUFFY! I would Hazzard that the result of the 21g grind I use are twice the size they are once tampered. I love the idea of the double grind. Nice and simple solution imho.
    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    Well, there is a mess, and some people here are obviously trying to avoid it too.

    I definitely don't want two-stage processes mentioned here. Press the button and auto stop. That's what it was built for and one feature that attracted me to it.

    The portafilter must not be touched during grinding. The 270wi is supposed to have ironed out bugs of its predecessor 270w (no i) partly caused by unsteadiness there.

    You can't, for example, push down the conical mound with a spoon during grinding because that would upset the weighing.

    I wouldn't describe the grind as clumpy or fluffy...it's whatever it has to be to extract 18 grams (the basket is at least 20 g) in 25 ish seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    Well, there is a mess, and some people here are obviously trying to avoid it too.

    I definitely don't want two-stage processes mentioned here. Press the button and auto stop. That's what it was built for and one feature that attracted me to it.

    The portafilter must not be touched during grinding. The 270wi is supposed to have ironed out bugs of its predecessor 270w (no i) partly caused by unsteadiness there.

    You can't, for example, push down the conical mound with a spoon during grinding because that would upset the weighing.

    I wouldn't describe the grind as clumpy or fluffy...it's whatever it has to be to extract 18 grams (the basket is at least 20 g) in 25 ish seconds.
    Ah okay, fair enough. Have seen videos like the Whole Latte Love one that addresses this directly (whether you can dose a full 21g or so in the one hit without mess) and it worked fine, perhaps the coffee roast you're using is affecting it? Just thinking of possibilities...

    I know with my Compak K3 Adv Touch, if I use a darker roast it clumps a bit and can get messy unless I use a funnel. I also use the two separate doses technique for mine. I'd even say it's possibly pretty standard for bigger doses to make at least a tiny bit mess but couldn't say for sure.

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    If you inserted a spoon into the grind path during grinding it would create a huge mess, the grinds come out at quite a rapid rate.

    If will be interesting to see if any other roasts/beans create crazy static. That was very strange.

    Cheers

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    Find a friend with a 3D printer and make one of these:



    I don't have a Sette 270Wi yet, but I will probably buy one the next time my Preciso needs work and I'm feeling impatient. My main concern with the 270Wi series is spillage. I use an OE stainless funnel with the Preciso, but Baratza is telling me to use the Drop Down Fork assembly. I feel like it's overkill when you can just do something like this.

    My next-cube-neighbor at work has a 3D printer and I'm thinking about asking them whether his machine can make this design.

    Reference:
    https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3175150

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    So good. Best purchase I've made in a while
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    Quote Originally Posted by mentasm View Post
    So good. Best purchase I've made in a while
    I got one for a 270w not the wi and the grinder canít handle it!!! Weights are all over the place. Will have to upgrade I think

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    Yeah. I think the electronics in the 270wi are a bit better. Mine was a 270w but I did the upgrade

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    Quote Originally Posted by mentasm View Post
    So good. Best purchase I've made in a while
    How would you go with putting a funnel on top of the portafilter with the drop down assembly??

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    I was grinding into a curry paste jar, it's the perfect size to invert directly into a portafilter. Easy and no mess.

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    I printed an adapter to fit a Tiamo cup to the forks on the Sette. Works a treat.

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    The beans I'm currently using create quite a bit of static and mess. Every roast, every time!

    So.........

    Put my creative experimenting hat on and came up with this. It doesn't nullify all the mess but the majority of it.

    I already had an Orphan Espresso dosing funnel, but if I tried to put it on the basket and then try to clip it in under the holder on the Sette, it would just flip up the funnel on the opposite side and it wouldn't hold in place. I was originally just going to order a straight-walled funnel to see if that holds in place, but thought I'd try this first.

    So in order to counteract the flipping up of the funnel, I've used a simple rubber band and paperclip which supports the opposite side and keeps it all in place. Problem solved! Just attach the paperclip and it has enough resistance to keep it together.

    You just have to adjust the portafilter holder fork to accommodate for this. First time I did it the basket wasn't sitting centrally under the exit chute, so I'll push it forward a bit so the fork is holding it a bit lower down on the funnel.

    Still some static buildup in the last pic, but nothing much can really do about that. How some grounds STILL manage to avoid the funnel is beyond me haha, but its significantly less mess compared to before trust me...
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    Love innovation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Love innovation...

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    Haha thought you'd like that :P. A simple fix, just had to search through the ol bottom drawer of tools, it's far better than the ideas I had prior! :s
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    Perhaps try a small mist spray of water into the hopper, seems to work for the HG-1 guys. I have only experienced this once with the indian beans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Perhaps try a small mist spray of water into the hopper, seems to work for the HG-1 guys. I have only experienced this once with the indian beans.

    Cheers
    Yeah I have pondered that... but still the idea of water on the beans doesn't sit well hehe. Especially if some is still left on the rest when I bag them up. Never understood that part of RDT... unless only the bottom beans in the hopper (the ones that will get used instantly) are the only ones sprayed..

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    You could always consider wiping down the interior of the grounds path with an anti-static cleaner such as those used for cleaning spectacles. They contain an agent called a “quaternary ammonium compound", or QUAT/QAC which just happens to be both a food friendly disinfectant and a decent anti-static substance as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    You could always consider wiping down the interior of the grounds path with an anti-static cleaner such as those used for cleaning spectacles. They contain an agent called a ďquaternary ammonium compound", or QUAT/QAC which just happens to be both a food friendly disinfectant and a decent anti-static substance as well...

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    Ahh that's an idea, never would have thought of that! I wonder if it would inadvertently affect flavour at all, but I'll definitely look into that. It truly is only with specific beans, or perhaps weather is a factor too? But some are crazy staticky and other are pretty much zilch, talk about extremes!

    Thanks Mal!

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    I find RDT works for single dosing of difficult beans. I weigh 20g of roasted into a cup and gently apply steam at about 10-15cm from the tip for about 3secs, shake to mix and repeat. Pour into the throat of the single dose grinder and hit go. I would never consider loading a hopper with wet beans - that sounds a bit crazy. I only have to use RDT when I struggle to get a good pour usually due to channeling - usually during the hotter months of Summer.
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    Re: effecting flavour, etc...
    There are several brands around that contain no added fragrance, colouring, etc.
    Also, after wiping down, just allow it to dry off thoroughly, overnight for example...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    You could always consider wiping down the interior of the grounds path with an anti-static cleaner such as those used for cleaning spectacles. They contain an agent called a “quaternary ammonium compound", or QUAT/QAC which just happens to be both a food friendly disinfectant and a decent anti-static substance as well...

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    WHAT?!
    Didnt know quats were anti static; i have a 5L concentrate bottle and i only ever use it to clean up after food prep...
    Looks like i found a new use for them.....
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    Excuse the OCD input.

    How about trying a few button magnets on the underside of the funnel to hold it in place? They can be had down to 1mm diameter and could be superglued in place, or there are some available with double sided adhesive backing. Effectiveness would depend on the stainless steel quality on the funnel or basket. The purer stainless steels have minimal magnetic qualities.

    Again, apologies for OCD view, but string and paper clips on an otherwise nicely designed grinder grate on this eye.

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    Prototypes are not always pretty...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otago View Post
    Excuse the OCD input.

    How about trying a few button magnets on the underside of the funnel to hold it in place? They can be had down to 1mm diameter and could be superglued in place, or there are some available with double sided adhesive backing. Effectiveness would depend on the stainless steel quality on the funnel or basket. The purer stainless steels have minimal magnetic qualities.

    Again, apologies for OCD view, but string and paper clips on an otherwise nicely designed grinder grate on this eye.
    Hehe yep magnets were one of the first things I tried, they didn't stick to the funnel nor the portafilter strangely! I don't mind the looks of it, but yeah cheers for the suggestion. These are strong little magnets I have, thought they would stick a little at least!

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    These are strong little magnets I have, thought they would stick a little at least!
    The portafilter is likely brass and the funnel is likely an austenitic grade of stainless, both of them have about the same magnetic permeability as air so they don't concentrate the field of the magnet, ergo it won't stick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrebird View Post
    The portafilter is likely brass and the funnel is likely an austenitic grade of stainless, both of them have about the same magnetic permeability as air so they don't concentrate the field of the magnet, ergo it won't stick.
    Ahh I see, that's why.. thanks for that

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    Yep, positioning the portafilter/funnel further in so it's not only the little downward 'nub' holding it in place, but the whole 'C' fork works so much better!

    Really really clean with no mess (like, 3 specks of grounds). Also means a beautifully central dose. Photos of what I mean:
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    I've just ordered one of these grinders should show up tomorrow I really like the concept of the scales and dosing I'm thinking it will bring a new level of consistency to my Espresso.

    One thing I do have in my garage is a 3D Printer if you think that the device up above would be useful to you I'm happy to print them out for you guys. I've already downloaded the files from Thingiverse from the post made by
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