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Thread: My feedback on the lovely Baratza Sette 270Wi!

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    My feedback on the lovely Baratza Sette 270Wi!

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    Okay! I think it's a fitting time for my review! Having been using this grinder for 3 weeks now, and having spent a few weeks adding bits and pieces to this review and giving it a fair trial, here we go!

    My reasons for the purchase:

    1) This grinder seemed simple to use day-to-day. A movement towards simplicity in coffee and life in general.
    2) Straight through grind path, sick of grinders with a whole long tunneled pathway with chutes/chambers that fill up. Seemed very little retention, much less wasted coffee.
    3) Fluffy grinds, no clumping.
    4) Super easy to clean.


    Other add-ons which were nice, but didn't really matter to me:
    -really quick
    -weight-based dosing (am quite happy to weigh doses myself)


    Even though the weighed dosing is a main feature of this version of the Sette, I bought it as it was the newest and improved version of the Sette, and wanted to avoid any of the issues the older models had (which after emailing Baratza they confirmed they had sorted out those older issues with the 270Wi).

    So did it live up to my reasons for getting it?

    1) Simplicity: yep! It truly is a very simple and easy to understand grinder to use. Set your dose, push play, and you get that!

    2) Retention: not zero, but VERY low. I was sick of wasting coffee, and don't think it makes sense to have to waste so much in order to get rid of old grinds.

    3) Fluffy/no-clumps: Have never seen grounds this fluffy and clump-free. Really really nice. Even upon using a much darker, oily roast that I had done (which in my experience tend to clump more), they were still fluffy.

    4) Easy to clean: super easy, I'm doing full cleans more frequently as a result.


    And the noise many have mentioned I did not even really notice. Sure it makes a bit of noise, but it is just such a joy to use that it doesn't even occur to me. It's grinding hard coffee beans, I'm cool with noise :P. And how fast this grinder is, truly, it's only noisy for a very short period of time.


    Once you set up the portafilter hook/holder and push dose, it delivers the coffee very neatly into the centre of the basket. I was initially worried that my higher doses (22.5 grams) would go back into the chute/opening and clog the burrs but that wasn't the case at all. There's actually a little room up that path before you hit the burrs anyway, but the amount I dose it hasn't really reached the path. And I'm dosing between 21.5g and 23g depending on the bean. I may not even need to order the drop-down fork. If the mound did ever creep up there, removing the portafilter can knock the top layer off a little. Depends on your bean and dose! Many have gotten around that by doing it in two doses, and collapsing in between.

    The vertical grind path and way the burrs are designed is... brilliant. Have never seen that style of grinding before, and gosh darn it's fast...

    Distribution-wise, this has been an amazing part of this... even though it's fast, it shoots the coffee directly into the centre of the basket, but as the grounds are so fluffy, it distributes really well through the whole basket while dosing, and there's honestly not much need to have to add any extra steps. I think the lack of clumps really allows the basket to be filled easily, as the grounds can move more freely within the basket (that's my theory on the clumps debate ).

    My method has been dose, one vertical collapse, a spin of my distribution tool (just to get the top 1/3-1/2 layer well distributed), and tamp. This is a massive difference compared to other grinders I've had, in which depending on the bean and grind consistency I'd have to go through a few different methods to get a nice even extraction. I've found (not exaggerating) pretty much every extraction through the naked portafilter to be so beautiful and even (something I really struggled to achieve with consistency in other grinders). Never has there been any stubborn dead spots.

    In terms of the mess while dosing that some have gotten, mine has been mooostly pretty minimal, and mostly caused by my carelessness than the grinder! Some grinds do go onto the portafilter hook/holder and can fall off the mound, but no big deal. It really depends on the day/dose/bean, there is a bit of spillage at times, but I don't mind. (A little update, I have a feeling certain beans behave differently, my current Colombian bean is being much messier than others! Am now trialling two separate doses as this particular bean or even weather is leading to some static and mess)

    I also did notice that if you did a full clean of the burrs (which I'm now doing probably once a week, as cleaning is a BREEZE), the first grind you do after will be a little 'staticky', and some grinds fly about a little and get stuck even underneath the burr carrier. But that's only for the first grind after a full clean.

    In terms of retention, it's not zero, but it's very minimal. After you do a dose, there will be coffee grounds stuck within the gaps which it passes through to get to the basket. After purging everything out at the end, I removed the burr carrier, fully cleaned it out, measured the grounds and got 1.6 grams.

    The weighed doses are freakishly accurate! Always pretty spot on, with maybe 0.1-0.2g deviation every now and then, no biggie! The intelligent feature certainly learns and adjusts things automatically the more that you use a particular dose setting.

    It has a burst mode which works great to top up or even just to use manually. So if you've set the dose at 22g, and it doses 21.8g, you can push the play button and it will do a very short burst. You can do this as much as you like to top it to 22g (usually takes one or two 'bursts').

    Also has the pulse mode (essentially manual mode) you hold down play, it tares whatever is on the forks, and it will grind for as long as you hold play. But be wary, it grinds fast haha, so you have to be on top of that. But it does come up with the weight you're dosing on the screen, handy!

    Adjusting the grind is done with the macro and micro adjustment collars, and is very straight-forward. One thing that is strange is that you need to rotate the macro and micro in opposite directions for going coarser or finer (eg if wanting to go finer on the macro adjuster, you rotate it clockwise, on the micro you rotate anti-clockwise to go finer). Not a bother however, but perhaps it's simply how the threads run.

    Dialing in a shot has been super easy, only took a few shots to dial in my Colombian Popayan Supremo, setting 12F/G got me in the ballpark, dosing 22.5 grams. I've found that changing the macro setting by one notch (from 12 to 11) is enough to go from a 1:2 doppio espresso to a 1:1 doppio ristretto within a slightly longer time and vice-versa. Which is awesome for easily switching if you're keen for a 'double-riz'! The micro settings allow for much smaller adjustments (in which I'm still playing with to determine their effect).

    My first few shots were great, but then it started to get quite erratic in extraction output, so then decided to run about 1kg of old coffee through the burrs after a bit of research. Many opinions on seasoning, but thought it wouldn't hurt to.

    Grind consistency and particle size is awesome too by the way! (Not that I have done microscopic tests hehe)

    And the most important thing....... taste. After all, you can buy a grinder for all these wonderful whizz-bang features, but if the end product, the coffee you drink, is shocking, what's the point! It's safe to say..... the coffee is unreal. Am using a Profitec Pro 500, and initially in my inconsistent shots in early days it would taste great then some shots would not be very pleasant... but after a little tweaking and much more coffee put through it is settling. Still getting some odd results from grind changes as I'm still finding how a certain grind change will translate into yield, but I'm hoping it will settle further as more coffee goes through.

    There's much talk of conical vs. flat burr grinders in terms of flavour profiles, and at this stage I can't overly tell. The shots have been lush, fruity, full, and overall very flavoursome. Been getting them more consistently too.

    One thing that is always at the top of my priorities too is durability, so I really hope the grinder lasts a good amount of time. The plastic housing etc doesn't bother me one bit. It's as though Baratza put more time and money into the essentials and practical functionality (apart from the earlier model issues :P) rather than just the housing exterior, which I like. Of course we'll see how we go.

    And recently I've had a fractured ankle and been hopping around on crutches, and this grinder makes the process so, so much easier. So if anyone out there had an injury like that, it's perfect for that situation!

    I'll also do a little video review at some stage so you can see it in action. I've seen alot of commercial reviews but only a few user reviews, and I find video reviews so helpful to me so I hope it helps others in seeing how it operates.

    And I'm well aware of people 'fanboying' to justify and validate their purchase of a grinder, but I'm legitimately impressed with its functionality, grind consistency, and espresso it produces.

    I have used it only once for coarser grinds/pour over (still usually use my other grinder for that), and compared to my flat burr it made a nice enough brew, but I'd have to play with it more and get the right grind setting. It also overshot the grind weight by like a gram or two (which I've heard it's a bit harder to dose right for a coarser grind), but I'm sure if I consistently used it it would learn, like the clever cookie it is.

    So in terms of cons, the only cons (for me personally) is the slight mess it can make at times, which to be honest I think it's hard to find a grinder that won't make a little mess. If you're filling a relatively small portafilter it's a given to have a few strays, some people go a funnel (which may be tricky with the Sette) or dose into a canister if they wish to avoid that. To each their own! I don't mind the little mess. After I'm done, I just brush it all into my knock box.

    Another thing is there isn't really an on/off switch. So when you plug it in and switch on at the wall, it automatically switches on, and then after a certain time period (couple of minutes) it switches off. But not really a big deal, and to get the display back on you can just push any button. Just no off switch apart from at the wall.

    It also at times can be tricky after a clean to get the burr carrier back in place haha. I'm still unsure what the secret is, but you just have to fit it right and line up SOMEthing correctly and it pops back in.

    I can't think of any other cons at this stage if I'm being honest!

    But any questions anyone has about it feel free to ask and I'll do my best. I know I researched a LOT on a few of forum threads, articles, videos etc (seriously... too much), and found it really helpful to get a wide range of user experiences. I've found at times with certain grinders many people quick to write negative experiences and issues about grinders, but not as many write positive ones (on many different forums, just from what I've seen), or moreso those folk who have loved their grinder have often kept it to themselves. So here's hoping that someone may get some benefit from this. I wanted to be honest with my experience of the grinder, and if I have any negative occurrences I'll post those too.

    (I also wanted to be as thorough and extensive as possible haha, so if you've gotten this far through my ramblings, well done ;D)

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    Great review mate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Great review mate...

    Mal.
    Cheers mate, I waffled on a bit but didn't wanna leave anything out
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    didn't wanna leave anything out
    No worries on that score...

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    Great review mate, I nearly read the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    Great review mate, I nearly read the whole thing.
    Hahaha..

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    Thanks for taking the time to put such a comprehensive review together. I'm very close to buying this grinder and your review had really helped me justify my leaning towards this grinder vs others in the same price range.

    I'm time poor in the mornings and this grinder should allow me to get more consistent shots in less time. That is the bottom line for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dischucker View Post
    Thanks for taking the time to put such a comprehensive review together. I'm very close to buying this grinder and your review had really helped me justify my leaning towards this grinder vs others in the same price range.

    I'm time poor in the mornings and this grinder should allow me to get more consistent shots in less time. That is the bottom line for me.
    Ah no worries! I wanted to cover all the things that I couldn't really find out in other reviews. All depends on what you want in a grinder, am finding that it really has to suit you (this is my fourth grinder, and very happy with this one).

    Cleanup is quick too, just close the hopper 'key', pour beans back into bag, and I use my bug vacuum to get any extra beans in the neck (which doesn't hold many excess beans). Grind out what's stuck in the burrs if you wish
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    I was tipping the entire machine upside down, then shutting the hopper key. Reinvert and remove hopper to the cupboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackster View Post
    I was tipping the entire machine upside down, then shutting the hopper key. Reinvert and remove hopper to the cupboard.
    Ah, an even better solution

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    Hi mate, great review. I've been using mine for about a month now and agree with everything you said.

    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    And the most important thing....... taste. After all, you can buy a grinder for all these wonderful whizz-bang features, but if the end product, the coffee you drink, is shocking, what's the point! It's safe to say..... the coffee is unreal. Am using a Profitec Pro 500, and initially in my inconsistent shots in early days it would taste great then some shots would not be very pleasant... but after a little tweaking and much more coffee put through it is settling. Still getting some odd results from grind changes as I'm still finding how a certain grind change will translate into yield, but I'm hoping it will settle further as more coffee goes through.

    There's much talk of conical vs. flat burr grinders in terms of flavour profiles, and at this stage I can't overly tell. The shots have been lush, fruity, full, and overall very flavoursome. Been getting them more consistently too.
    Out of the box it took me a few shots to dial in the grind on my Lelit Mara using the Lelit double basket. I ran that for about a week and the shots came out fairly consistently (weighing in and out). Then I switched to a VST 18g basket and couldn't get shots to pour the same for days! It came good eventually and now once the grind is dialed in for a bean my wife (and even 12 year daughter) can pull drinkable shots. I've since put an IMS precision screen in the Lelit as well, not sure it made a huge difference, but I believe it pours nicer with a naked portafilter and it's definitely easier to clean.

    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    One thing that is always at the top of my priorities too is durability, so I really hope the grinder lasts a good amount of time. The plastic housing etc doesn't bother me one bit. It's as though Baratza put more time and money into the essentials and practical functionality (apart from the earlier model issues :P) rather than just the housing exterior, which I like. Of course we'll see how we go.
    That's my biggest concern, after using a Rocky for 7 years without any issues I'm not sure the Sette is up for the same sort of beating? Like you though I read a bunch of reviews and decided to give it a go. Until we start to hear of them failing we're not going to know how long they'll last, but with all the benefits I'm happy to risk it.

    Another reason the Sette came out on top of the list for me was it's footprint. Space is a premium in our kitchen (hence why I have the Mara and not a Profitec Pro 500) and for the size nothing available locally in my budget seemed to come close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cackalufabogus View Post
    Hi mate, great review. I've been using mine for about a month now and agree with everything you said.



    Out of the box it took me a few shots to dial in the grind on my Lelit Mara using the Lelit double basket. I ran that for about a week and the shots came out fairly consistently (weighing in and out). Then I switched to a VST 18g basket and couldn't get shots to pour the same for days! It came good eventually and now once the grind is dialed in for a bean my wife (and even 12 year daughter) can pull drinkable shots. I've since put an IMS precision screen in the Lelit as well, not sure it made a huge difference, but I believe it pours nicer with a naked portafilter and it's definitely easier to clean.



    That's my biggest concern, after using a Rocky for 7 years without any issues I'm not sure the Sette is up for the same sort of beating? Like you though I read a bunch of reviews and decided to give it a go. Until we start to hear of them failing we're not going to know how long they'll last, but with all the benefits I'm happy to risk it.

    Another reason the Sette came out on top of the list for me was it's footprint. Space is a premium in our kitchen (hence why I have the Mara and not a Profitec Pro 500) and for the size nothing available locally in my budget seemed to come close.
    Cheers! Ah yep I got the Pesado shower screen and while hard to tell if it's made a massive difference, it sure is much cleaner!

    I've only put through maybe 2kg at this stage, so will see if it settles even more. Pretty darn good at this stage!

    Yeah and durability-wise I hope it lasts. I figure I'm the only main coffee drinker in the house, so it's usually 2x doubles a day (3 if I'm a daredevil!) which isn't much strain on it.

    Great to hear you're enjoying it

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    Also just did my first display panel software update via Bluetooth. The update can only be done via Apple (and I have an Android phone), but luckily I was able to use my iPod Touch to do the update, very cool!

    No idea what's been updated. Perhaps it can do advanced calculus now XD

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    Think I figured out how the macro/micro settings translate into each other!

    I'll explain.

    Am currently using my Brazil natural bean at setting 13A, and wanted to go a tad finer ('A' is the finest you can go in the micro settings). I found previously that if I changed to say 12 on the macro (going finer) and 'I' on the micro (winding it back up to the coarsest), even though I went a big change on the macro, it would pour faster, even though my aim was to go finer. So both dials had to line up somewhere...

    (In other words, I thought that 13A would translate to 12I or even be a tad finer, but alas, it wasn't to be!)

    So as I said, I was on 13A, tried going down to 12D, and it poured at the same yield and timing:

    13A= 21.5g yielded 41g in 32s
    12D= 21.5g yielded 42.4g in 32s

    Just if anyone was curious. Not 100% certain that A will always pour the same as D on a finer setting, but it's what I just found now.

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    Great review, be sure to post the video review when that's up
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    I knew the macro/micro steps would align somewhere. Nice job working it out!
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    Great review, thank you for the details. I have to go get a grinder. It would be my first one ever. And after reading a few reviews (some on the 270) and other models and brands, I have to say you convinced me.
    Thks from Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martint View Post
    Great review, thank you for the details. I have to go get a grinder. It would be my first one ever. And after reading a few reviews (some on the 270) and other models and brands, I have to say you convinced me.
    Thks from Canada.
    Ah no worries glad to hear, good choice!



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