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Post By buderim11
I have a Sunbeam 7000 for the last 4 years with a breville smart grinder . I drink flat white with sugar and I make 3 x 2 coffees every day and I am happy with the taste which I find is better than most of my local cafes .
I am looking at upgrading my Breville 820 smart grinder.
Here are a few 2nd hand options I have at the moment.
compak grinders k3 manual with doser
Gina Rossi RR45 with doser
Can anyone advise me which would be my best option ?
Last edited by buderim11; 6th January 2019 at 08:14 PM.
I'd personally opt for the Rocky (without doser) and even if it needs a new set of burrs, it will do a great job and last for many years...
I used a Rocky for 10-12 years, thereabouts, and now it is serving equally well with another member of the family. New burrs are not expensive and a bit of fiddling can be done if you prefer stepless. Maintenance and cleaning are well documented and straightforward. It is a robust machine.
Given that I have obviously not been using one of the other two over that time, my comments are a solid vote for the Rocky rather than some unbiassed selection.
Originally Posted by buderim11
Now one of my Varios has the optional steel burrs my Bo-ema RR45 (same as the Gina Rossi RR45 with doser) is no longer used for my coarser grinds (i.e. cold steep and cold drip).
PM me if interested, as I had intended to sell it soon anyway.
PS: being a commercial behemoth, it will outlast even the best domestic grinders (probably including my Varios). BTW, the Rocky is also a good reliable grinder - I had one for quite a while.
I'm in the same boat looking to upgrade my Smart Grinder. I have a HX machine and also make a lot of V60 so need something to do both.
I'm torn between the Sette 270 and Vario grinders from Baratza
Originally Posted by theosouris
Depends where you want to compromise. FWIW, I was about to buy a Sette for coarser grinds as my RR45 is (quite reasonably) banned from the house on noise & space criteria. Unfortunately the earlier Sette totally failed the domestic noise test as it is even noisier than my RR45 (think jet engine at close range). Coarse grind quality was similar to the RR45. After a couple of months of the Sette being relegated to my shed, I tried the optional steel burrs in one of my Mahlkoenig Varios*. Result - I now have three Varios - one with the steel burrs for coarse grinds (pourover / cold steep / cold drip / modded stirrer plunger), the other two with standard ceramic for espresso (my light to medium SO, the other for decaf / dark roasts depending upon the guest's needs). The third Vario was partly motivated by a one-off special where I bought the two of them new for barely more than one retail priced one.
Basically, the Sette grinds fairly well over a wide range whilst the Vario has extraordinarily even particle spread over a very narrow grinding range only. Jack of all trades vs master of one.
A side note: Changing grinds constantly over such a wide range will drive you mad - all grinders overshoot and bounce around to a degree and the Sette will take a few espresso shots to settle after your V60 usage. IMO the Vario is not suitable for coarser grinds anyway...
Living with either the Sette or the Vario is a massive improvement over most traditional grinders - less static, mess on the bench and general fussiness. Oh, and when they fill their chambers (about 250 to 750g depending upon the roast) their performance goes to schlock (i.e. particle spread goes far too wide to be useful). Fortunately, both of them change their sound slightly when their chamber is full, so it is easy to pick without trashing a shot or two first.
Quality in the cup:
For Turkish to espresso (I do both) - no contest, the Vario with the standard ceramic burrs outperforms the Sette by a big margin. The Sette cannot do quality Turkish at all (nor, to be fair, do they say it can). The Vario is also significantly quieter (even my friend's latest Sette still gives me a headache after a few shots).
For coarse grinds the Vario is way out of its best range so the Sette is a lot better unless you get the optional steel burrs for a Vario. With the optional burrs, the Vario again wins by a noticeable margin. Refractometer readings also back the difference up (for both espresso and pourover).
I would suggest you get a Mahlkoenig Vario for espresso and use your existing Smart Grinder for the coarser V60. "Upgradeitis" will eventually take its course and you can play with "suitable for coarser grind" grinders at your leisure.
I hope this helps.
Mahlkoenig Varios*: I have two gen2s and a gen3. The original "gen1" Vario is more like the Sette in terms of grinding range and grinding quality for espresso. The gen2/3 is a massive improvement for espresso use. I do not recommend the original Vario.
Other info: the Baratza Vario is a parallel import in Oz (as at two years ago, anyway) The Swiss made (by Ditting) Mahlkoenig Vario is "rest of world" whilst Baratza is USA / Canada only. For warranty if no other reason the Vario should be a Mahlkoenig. Also, the last new Baratza Vario I saw just over a year ago was still a gen1. My oldest gen2 is from Nov 2013.
Wow @tampit thanks for the great detailed response !
I've had the smart grinder for about 8 years now - probably a good idea to keep for pour over (pending wife approval I had a laugh). I'll be sure to keep you updated on what i find.
@TampIt thanks for the great information - i was worried about the noise of the Sette also (my wife complains about my smart grinder I had a laugh).
I think your idea is a good one so will keep an eye out for an specials that come up - may even some possible updates after SCAA expo later this year (I also like the Forte AP and think it would pair nicely with my Appartamento).
Will keep you updated with how I get on.
I agree with what TampIt has said. I have a Mahlkoenig Vario with steel burrs, Baratza Forte BG and a Sette 270.
In my opinion the Sette 270 cannot grind coarse enough for brewing filter, even with the optional BG burr. I purchased it before reviews were out and mostly came to the same conclusion, and as I don't make espresso at home it went back in its box. I don't buy Baratza's "low and slow" methodology of making filter, in my opinion its just a compromise for a grinder that can't go coarse enough.
I can't comment on dual purpose grinding both espresso and filter, but the Vario with steel burrs and Forte BG are solid grinders.
I managed to find a Vario today (ceramic burr) so have ordered it and will be primary for espresso.
Thanks again for the help.
Here is a update , I seem to have gone through a few grinders in 6 weeks...
I was too slow getting the Rocky as it sold very quickly . So I came across a Wega 584 with a doser , I had never used a doser before I did not like using the doser even though I was single dosing the beans I found it a bit messy and I also found the adjustment was very difficult compared to the Breville so it had to go.
Next I came across a Quality espresso Q10 which needed new burrs , it turns out the burrs in the grinder were the wrong hand so it was impossible to get any sort of grind out of them , once fitted the new burrs gave a much better shot than my smart grinder , It also has time adjustment down to 0.05 of a second and also very fine grind adjustment , The Q10 did suffer from grind retention probably about 10g in the burr outlet tube , And it did look like a spaceship so I was getting it in the ear from the wife that it had to go .....
So I put the Q10 up for sale and got a offer I couldnt refuse which meant I had a few hundred dollars profit to put into another grinder , I then came across a cafe that had shut down and had a NS Mythos for sale it had been serviced and new burrs fitted in November , so I ended up buying the Mythos and still had change from the Q10 sale .
I made up a small hopper which fits into the Mythos so it is only 470 tall and put it behind my EM7000 so it does not look to big .
After doing 1kg of coffee dialing it in I am getting excellent shots far better than my smart grinder and the wife thinks my coffee has greatly improved .
I am actually amazed by how much better my coffee tastes by changing the grinder .
So happy days....