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    Prosumer grinder for filter

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    Currently doing my homework for a new grinder purchase in the near future, but in all of my research there doesn't seem to be a lot of reliable info on grinding coarser for filter. We drink MoccaMaster and some aeropress/V60, but my 9-year old Sunbeam EM0450 produces a lot of inconsistency (fines) when trying to grind coarse. I'm also trying to buy a "good" grinder, not a cheap one - hopefully under $1000 though... Most guides on prosumer grinders are aimed at espresso.

    My thoughts so far range from Rocky Rancillo and Macap M2M to the Baratza Sette range, although I'd prefer to buy a bulletproof grinder that will go the distance over a "bells and whistles" model. I should be fine without a doser, timer or micro adjustments.

    Can anyone who has used a range of mid-level grinders comment on which models produce consistent coarse grinds and tasty filter coffee?
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    Bah! "Producer Grinder for filter..." That'll teach me to CS on my phone! I meant to title this thread "Prosumer grinder for filter." DYAC!

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    There are plenty of great opportunities for excellent grinders to be had in the 4-Sale section at the moment. The money you save could then be used to grab more wonderful CS Coffee from Andy or our Site Sponsors...

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    Gawd, if only I had the budget for that hg-1
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    Whilst looking for grinders, I noted that Eureka claim the Atom can do V60, Fench Press etc on their site. Perhaps someone that has one can chime in, but at about $1100 from at least one of the site sponsors, it's justa touch above your budget.

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    The Atom can do those things, but with its stepless grind adjustment and relatively high retention switching back and forth isn't something you will be able to do in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    The Atom can do those things, but with its stepless grind adjustment and relatively high retention switching back and forth isn't something you will be able to do in a hurry.
    Fair enough, though if one were to stick with just one type of grind (ie - manual brews) it should work out.

    What about the single dosing Niche grinder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackster View Post
    Gawd, if only I had the budget for that hg-1
    Wow. That thing looks amazing! I think though, that if I'm spending $1000.... I want it to do the grinding for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    What about the single dosing Niche grinder?
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    That Niche is pretty, and I like the simplicity. Anyone know about particle distribution?

    I also grind 42g of beans for the MoccaMaster most mornings. It looks that that would only just fit in the "hopper."

    I do leave my hopper empty though, and weigh to grind for each batch.

    Theoretically, do I want larger, flatter burrs with lower RPM for quality filter grind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    There are plenty of great opportunities for excellent grinders to be had in the 4-Sale section at the moment.
    Which one would you choose for my situation Mal?

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    Anything from a Rancilio Rocky and up will do what you want...

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    Have a look at the OE (Orphan Espresso) Apex grinder.

    The triangular ghost burr set is claimed to be produced specifically for filter and manual methods and to minimise fines.
    ghost-burrs.jpg

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    Youíre right, most of the prosumer grinders are designed for espresso and wonít do a very good job of grinding for filter. In fact many of the appliance brand grinders do a better job as filter grinders. My pick of them would be the Breville Dose Control Pro.

    If you want to and can afford to spend more money Iíd recommend the following:

    https://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/...hlkonig-vario/

    Youíd want to find a retailer that can sell you one with the optional steel burrs though. This is an excellent grinder that can be used for any brew method, but with the steel is optimised for filter coffee.


    The other options are the Mazzer Mini Filter model, but personally I donít think thatíd be particularly good value, and the brand new one from Wilfa called The Uniform. I donít think itís available on this side of the world yet so you wonít get one with an AUS/NZ plug and local certification, but it does look pretty good and worth investigating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Youíre right, most of the prosumer grinders are designed for espresso and wonít do a very good job of grinding for filter. In fact many of the appliance brand grinders do a better job as filter grinders. My pick of them would be the Breville Dose Control Pro.

    ...and the brand new one from Wilfa called The Uniform. I donít think itís available on this side of the world yet so you wonít get one with an AUS/NZ plug and local certification, but it does look pretty good and worth investigating.
    Thanks Leroy - this is exactly the kind of info I was after. I first read this really detailed review that picked a $125 Bodum Bistro as the winner of blind taste tests over a Breville Smart Grinder pro, which nearly made me get one!

    https://www.yourbestdigs.com/reviews...offee-grinder/

    Considering that it's fairly cheap though, I wanted something more robust with longevity.

    I'm sold on the Wilfa. Just need to figure out how to get one! That thing is right up my alley. Thank you again for your second crack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeinator View Post
    Have a look at the OE (Orphan Espresso) Apex grinder.

    The triangular ghost burr set is claimed to be produced specifically for filter and manual methods and to minimise fines.
    ghost-burrs.jpg
    Wow! That's one vicious looking burr...

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    Does anyone have a recommendation for a grinder specifically for Moccamaster? I recently got one this and have been using an early model Breville BCG800. Which I use for v60, aero, delta, trinity and the old Silvia I had. Itís served me well, but placed against a nice Mint green Moccamaster it just looks silly.

    I nearly bought a manual Commandante a few weeks ago as I was almost exclusively brewing with the Delta but as I may be grinding upwards of 60gms for the Moccamaster I fear a manual grinder may no longer be the best choice.

    Whatís the consensus on the Moccamaster grinder? Personally I donít think itís visually a step up from the Breville but if itís better for filter I will consider.

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    I've never used the Moccamaster grinder, but the reviews I read didn't rave about it. Even just in theory, it's a blade grinder which are generally considered less awesome.

    I bought the Wilfa Uniform and I love it! My old Sunbeam EM4050 used to clog up the Moccamaster filter basket with fines and even on the coarsest setting would almost overflow when trying to brew 750mL. With my Uniform I brew on setting 28 (out of 40) and are really enjoying the coffee I make. Visibly more consistent grounds. Flavour clarity is highly improved.

    I had to order the grinder from overseas, and so don't have a local reps help if anything goes wrong, but for under $500 I have a grinder with large flat burrs that looks the part and does a great job. I might get flamed for that here, but I'm ok with it. The Uniform's designed for brewing filter coffee, which nearly nothing else seems to be, and from James Hoffman's review on YouTube I kinda figured for the money I'd have to get an EK43 to do THAT much better for my needs. I know that's a big call, but that's my perspective in an espresso-based market.

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    I've never used the Moccamaster grinder, but the reviews I read didn't rave about it. Even just in theory, it's a blade grinder which are generally considered less awesome.
    A blade grinder?!? Moccamaster's reputation just fell into the gutter, down the sewer, and got washed away off to the ocean where it will sink into the deep, dark depths to rest with the bones of the fishes for me. Run away! Run very fast and very, very far from it! You might as well smash your beans between two bricks.


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    We shouldn't dismiss a blade grinder out of hand. If you were really stuck with having to use one, there are some ways in which to achieve an acceptable grind.

    James Hoffman did an interesting video on this which is worth watching to prepare yourself for that occasion where you might have to make do with what you've got. It includes a nifty method to remove fines with nothing more than a paper towel.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3y7d-5KWHCU

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    Eureka have just released a grounds catcher so that their Atom can be used for filter. Iím pretty sure you can get the Atom in green as well so might be worth looking at. (Iím pretty sure itís the Atom, might be the Mignon. Iím sure youíll find it).

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    If you want great coffee then yes, you should dismiss buying a blade grinder out of hand. If you are out and about and there is nothing else to use (Including bricks. ) then sure, use a blade grinder to make some French Press. Otherwise...


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    I had a blade grinder about 40 years ago, tore the blades of it trying to grind soy beans (hard little suckers) for my horse, best thing that could have happened to the bloody thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    I had a blade grinder about 40 years ago, tore the blades of it trying to grind soy beans (hard little suckers) for my horse, best thing that could have happened to the bloody thing.
    That DEFINITELY needed an OE Apex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Eureka have just released a grounds catcher so that their Atom can be used for filter.
    My Atom came with one in 2017 out of the box, I'm pretty sure they all do. I think they've just released a smoked hopper and smoked grounds bin which are clear as standard.

    The Mignon also comes in green, and maybe it's the Mignon you're thinking of with the grounds bin, they've just released some new Mignon models aimed more at filter with grounds bins.



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