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Thread: Eureka Speciality 75 or 65 grinder Australia?

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    Eureka Speciality 75 or 65 grinder Australia?

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    Looking to upgrade my grinder Macap M2M stepped (not micrometric model they have out now).

    Very interested in the Eureka 75 (or 65) but there appears to be no resellers in Australia. Also have interest in the Ceado 37J or 37S, but again no Australian reseller (not interested in buying from box seller from Italy - New Caffe Italia).

    Is there any appetite or plans in the near future for these models to be sold in Australia?

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    CS member ezlau bought a 65 or 75 (can't remember) from overseas and loves it
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    I believe you can buy via Casa Espresso but it may be special order and wait for the boat.
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    Can I ask what the exact problem is with buying from a box reseller (maybe stupid question sorry), is it just the warrant hassles in case it breaks and the gst surcharge or there are other issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bain89 View Post
    Can I ask what the exact problem is with buying from a box reseller (maybe stupid question sorry), is it just the warrant hassles in case it breaks and the gst surcharge or there are other issues?
    That's the bulk of it. One of the other issues is that they won't have Australian compliance / certification, so if you plug it in and out causes an electrical fire, your insurance company won't pay a cent. Then there's supporting local business etc.
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    Thanks. What specific compliment? An AS standard or a CE stamp? I have a Ceado from Italy so I can look on the back at all the stamps and tell you which ones are there.

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    I wonder what retention they got...
    As far as I understand original Atom got high retention.

    But in case of Ceado as example the biggest burr got the smallest retention.
    Because most ground coffee retained around the burr. And since the housing is similar big burr leaves less space for ground coffee.

    I am curious if it will be the same with Atoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bain89 View Post
    Thanks. What specific compliment? An AS standard or a CE stamp? I have a Ceado from Italy so I can look on the back at all the stamps and tell you which ones are there.
    Bain the standard now is RCM, regulatory compliance mark, used to be called c-tick. It is a tick in a circle or triangle (or both), depending on what artwork, older or new, was used. There is no way your grinder will have it, it is Aus specific. Probably not a huge risk on a grinder which is turned on and off while you are standing in front of it, moreso on an espreso machine like the Decent which might be turned on by a timer and which has water and electricity inside the machine. Ihad a friend who had his house flooded by a non approved dishwasher, brand new house (meaning all the frailties of modern construction), insurance picked the problem up and wasn't paying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bain89 View Post
    Can I ask what the exact problem is with buying from a box reseller (maybe stupid question sorry), is it just the warrant hassles in case it breaks and the gst surcharge or there are other issues?
    As others have already pointed out, the risk of compliance with Australian standards. Also the warranty issue, as I believe it's a lot of money to spend and not have a local rep to provide warranty support (if required, and I acknowledge that reputable products likely won't need warranty support, but that's a risk I am unlikely to take). I am also not impressed by sellers who have setups that look like their local to Australia but in fact are not.

    That's just me but others can do what they like with their hard earned and I respect their choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teach View Post
    As others have already pointed out, the risk of compliance with Australian standards. Also the warranty issue, as I believe it's a lot of money to spend and not have a local rep to provide warranty support (if required, and I acknowledge that reputable products likely won't need warranty support, but that's a risk I am unlikely to take). I am also not impressed by sellers who have setups that look like their local to Australia but in fact are not.

    That's just me but others can do what they like with their hard earned and I respect their choice.
    Yes youíre right itís a risk you can avoid. But Iím surprised having the CE certification isnít enough to satisfy the insurance requirements. I will have a look through some insurance sites see if they specifically say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    I believe you can buy via Casa Espresso but it may be special order and wait for the boat.
    Thanks matth3wh. Will check them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bain89 View Post
    I will have a look through some insurance sites see if they specifically say.
    No matter what the lying bastards say on their official bumf, you can bet your bottom dollar they will seize any available loophole to weasel out of actually paying up when things go south. They are in the game to make as much money as possible, not to make your life easier.
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    I am with Lryebird! I can't imagine any insurance company will say feel free to use equipment without Australian approval. After you would have buckleys on a claim.
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    Yes and no....

    Grinders are massively reliable and I have never heard of one going up. I'd be way more concerned if it was a dodgy, non compliant coffee roaster (and there are plenty of them around some of which are part death trap, part roaster).

    Haven't been involved in a fire, but I'd wonder if insurance forensics would go so far as to check for compliance of each appliance in the affected area unless it was patently obvious?

    Nevertheless, it's good to support Australian businesses where possible as if we don't, there will be no Australian businesses and we'll all be on Newstart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrebird View Post
    No matter what the lying bastards say on their official bumf, you can bet your bottom dollar they will seize any available loophole to weasel out of actually paying up when things go south. They are in the game to make as much money as possible, not to make your life easier.
    Very well said.

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    I bought a Eureka Atom 75 with Red Speed Burrs and the Blow Up System which reduces grind retention to about 0.5g. Using it daily at home and have also brought it to a few commercial setups. Still loving it! Feel free to ask me any questions about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    CS member ezlau bought a 65 or 75 (can't remember) from overseas and loves it
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    Quote Originally Posted by EzLau View Post
    I bought a Eureka Atom 75 with Red Speed Burrs and the Blow Up System which reduces grind retention to about 0.5g. Using it daily Feel free to ask me any questions about it.
    Sounds like it would be a very fast grinder.

    Be interesting to hear how you end up using the blow up system. Interested to see some more real world videos of it in use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EzLau View Post
    I bought a Eureka Atom 75 with Red Speed Burrs and the Blow Up System
    Does the 'Blow Up' system operate if it goes off course after launch?

    Seriously they do look like nice grinders. I have one criticism and it may not be valid but I don't like the idea of unscrewing the top plate. It is there for convenience I know but these burrs have to be very low tolerance and variation to give a reproducible grind. I feel that this is an engineering compromise to tick the convenience box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    I have one criticism and it may not be valid but I don't like the idea of unscrewing the top plate. It is there for convenience I know but these burrs have to be very low tolerance and variation to give a reproducible grind. I feel that this is an engineering compromise to tick the convenience box.
    Are you saying that by unscrewing and rescrewing the upper burr housing the tolerances will change? The two pieces are a machined fit, and the proof that they go back together without changing is that you can pull another identical shot without needing to adjust the grind.
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    I find my Atom the same Ninja. The clunkiest bit is the philips head bolts, but they may be a ploy to stop over tightening. Certainly works for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    I feel that this is an engineering compromise to tick the convenience box.
    Maybe, but it would depend on the accuracy, type and quality of machining.
    Reproducibility is not optionally exclusive if all the above are maintained...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    I find my Atom the same Ninja. The clunkiest bit is the philips head bolts, but they may be a ploy to stop over tightening. Certainly works for me.
    As I think I've said before, that was the purpose of Mr Philip's design from the get go, the driver "cams out" before too much torque can be applied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrebird View Post
    As I think I've said before, that was the purpose of Mr Philip's design from the get go, the driver "cams out" before too much torque can be applied.
    I don't think screws are the ultimate in precision and you can definitely over-tighten them although maybe not easily. Typically where screws are subject to vibration then Locktite is used.

    I have also seen posts where forum users have had grinding issues due to these screws being loose.

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    These screws in a Eureka Atom?

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    Lyrebird, you taught me that about philips head and it makes so much sense. I personally like allen head or torx but your explanation made it clear why.

    Wattgn, there aren't any screws, but there are philips head bolts. They feel clunky mainly because they discourage a high torque which their size should support, but the whole unit is so nicely machined high torque just isn't required. When the top cover goes on it is like when you put a freshly planed head on an engine block, the weight and even matching of the mating surfaces hold it nicely in place before a head stud has even been inserted. My philips head bolts are barely above fingertight, maybe 3 or 4nm and the grinder replicates the previous setting. It really is very satisfying the way it is made.

    Ps loktite not required, clean my Atom regularly and never have the bolts been loose, even with my low torque. I am guessing the steel bites or galls a little into the alloy block. The bolts have nothing to do with accuracy, there are 3 around the cover and are just to keep the two machined surfaces together under load, it is the two flat machined surfaces which provided the accuracy. No matter what fastener was used you couldn't get the two surfaces mated better than just placing them together, like putting an alloy head on a bike cylinder. It really is nicely machined, more like 2000 plus Ferrari machining, not like 1970 Fiats
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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post

    Wattgn, there aren't any screws, but there are philips head bolts
    Fair enough. The devil is in the execution of any design so if it works well then that is the answer.

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    Think of balancing and blueprint my new grinder
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