The Niche Zero fits squarely into that category...
ive spent waaaayyy too much time on google researching my next grinder. Currently have a k3 push, which has worked tirelessly for us. Itís just so slow and Iím wanting to stream line the process a little. Currently measuring out 22g of beans for a 20g shot, doing a purge and then waiting 18 seconds for the shot. Next morning Iíll purge any old beans from the day before and repeat.
Im looking at something around $1000 or just over. As Iím single dosing I want something that wonít popcorn (well as best as possible), minimal grind retention, fast and preset buttons. The way I can use a scoop that roughly takes around 22g of beans and dump it in the grinder push a button and 6-8 seconds later voila!
Ive narrowed down to:
Eureka zenith 65e
A Mythos one is available around the same price but not sure about being fit for purpose based on the above. Also read a little about popcorning but then someone said they donít get it so donít know what to believe! Iíve heard retention might not be the best either?!?
any comments/recommendations would be greatly appreciate!!
The Niche Zero fits squarely into that category...
I think the biggest issue with the niche is grind time and with popcorning can take close to 20 seconds from what I’ve read?
You could just buy four or five grinders then sell the ones you don't want to one of us.
Baratza Sette 270wi. Very Fast. Minimal grind retention. Noisy.
Thanks for the replies. Ninja I’m struggling to find the atom 65/75 for purchase?!?
has anyone had experience with the grinders I’m looking at and potentially the problems I’ve mentioned???
i think I’m leaning away from the Compak the more I read. Eureka as a brand and build quality seems to come out on top. So question is more about eureka or second hand Mythos one.
I don't know that any Australian shops are selling the 75 yet. Here's the 65, may want to ask them about the Blow Up system.
From what I've read the Mythos 1 tend to need some bean weight in the hopper for best results, so not sure how well they'd go for single dosing.
I have an atom. I donít think itís fit for purpose for single dosing for you. Perhaps the same with e5 which is what I was looking at getting against the atom.
If your single dosing the Niche is the only one around that price.
The chrome atom.
Itís retention due to the chute design. Even blowing it through would just be painful and the popcorning it has.
The grinder needs 150g at least always pushing down.
I think I need to accept having between 150-250 in the hopper at all times. Surely everyone with a decent grinder here would be making the same compromise at home? Otherwise why have grinders with timers and use it for single dosing. You would just get popcorning and never actually grind through your weighed out beans.
So so now my question is eureka zenith 65e or used 5yo Mythos one
1. Can you blind taste popcorning in the cup? Dose, pour rate and length being identical. (Or is it just a head full of internet?)
2. Ask your local tech about how much he enjoys servicing a Mythos One
3. If you want to single dose, I agree with the others. Buy a Niche.
I have the Robur and now the Fillet Mignon Specialita. Satan got me to buy one.
I like the timer but it is another variable. With the Robur I just fill the basket and tamp, easy and reproducible and quite accurate with practice.
The Specialita one single doses nicely, it seems so far. I think the Mignon has low retention due to the smaller burrs and steep but short chute. I decided to try the Specialita else I would eventually end up with the Robur...again. If you know what I mean, people naturally go bigger it seems to me.
When you see dosing reproducibility tests it is always done in quick succession which is misleading and I can volumetrically dose better than a timer can time as it is based on observation.
Now I will have to sell one of these...I dunno. I bought the Specialita on impulse and I still love the Mazzer Robur as it works so well.
I think bigger conical burrs still give the grind quality edge and consistency to the Robur but the Specialita is very very good and I haven't made my mind up yet.
Clumping can be annoying and again the Robur wins in that it seems to produce few clumps whereas the Specialita produces clumps that are broken down into very much smaller clumps using their ACE system.
The Robur is surprisingly quiet too but the Specialita wins I think here.
Overall an espresso enthusiast would love either machine but I think ideally for single dosing, it needs to be simple and easy and this Specialita is good for single dosing even though it isn't designed with that in mind. The Robur, no I wouldn't single dose even though the retention is still relatively small, smaller than most people think.
I would recommend having a look at the Specialita as I think it is better for single dosing than just about any machine on the market except for those especially made for such use, as the Nice Zero is. It is also a lovely grinder in itself. I think for most home users this is the Eureka to get.
Last edited by wattgn; 9th November 2019 at 02:08 PM.
If you want to single dose with the Atom (without significant purging) you need to get the Blow Up system as well
The 65 doesn't popcorn, and if you dont mind weighing each dose its a very nice grinder,
Street price is $1,400 without the Blow-Up system.
I got mine from DiPacci in Sydney.
The importer has them in stock I believe, they are Service Sphere (google them). They also have the Blow Up Hoppers.
For end of day purging it seems to work a bit better.
Having said that, at less than 9 secs for 20g of beans, I dont mind adding 0.3g or removing same with a teaspoon.
And they would be terrible for single dosing, as the curved inlet chute between the hopper and the burrs always retains a fair few beans.
sounding more and more like the Eureka Zenith 65e may be the right answer for me. I accept that i will need to load the hopper up with 150-250g, which im fine with as i will go through this in a week or so.
Unless anyone has any other suggestions based on all the above and this particular selection? has anyone got the Eureka Zenith 65e?
Consider the Doser model. You can get one new for $825.
the only thing i didnt like is the big hopper, I under stand this is useful for a Cafe, but for home use, I spent the extra and got the smaller hopper.
Cant go wrong with one of these in my opinion.
Id be very surprised if you got one and it didn't meet your requirements and or expectations. Never had or used the Compak E5, but im sure its also up there in comparison. Good luck with the grinder buying.
So to everyone. Does anyone have any other recommendations outside of the Eureka Zenith 65e? for a solid home grinder in the $1200 price range?
Just some food for thought and some dont mind, but i prefer a Flat burr grinder over a conical burr grinder. you will find both at this price range and others. just something to think of and look into.
As an example a Niche Zero with 63mm conical burrs vs the proposed Eureka Zenith 65e with 65mm flat burrs??
For my education....
If you single dose and don't want to get annoyed about wasting grinds the best option is the Niche (under 4k). It has the burrs from the Robur and is very quiet. There is often a 10% off voucher on eBay from a site sponsor so you may pick one up for say $1150.
I have used the Eureka Atom (the one for sale) and to be honest this is a great grinder but two things are annoying a) wasted grinds due to purging and b) the wasted beans when dialing in different beans.
While the workflow is different, the Niche is not super fast but I just grind and let it go while I rinse and wipe the portafilter. The only real downside is if you are making multiple coffees back to back it might get annoying having to weigh out beans multiple times.
The only real way for anyone to know which they prefer, is to sample a number of coffees (in my case, Long Blacks) made using each grinder burr type, using the same beans right in front of you. Which ever one produces the flavour profile that your palate prefers, is the one to go for...
Flavour wise I cannot pick.
The quality and freshness of the beans you use is waaayyy more important...