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Thread: Hand Grinder, What Do You Recommend?

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    Hand Grinder, What Do You Recommend?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Further to my OT camping post, have convinced her indoors that coffee ground as needed is better than pre ground.
    Price is no object, donít mind investing in a good one that will last us the next 20 years.
    will be used for V60 pour over exclusively.
    Ease of use is probably more important that outright grind speed.
    Prefer to be able to buy from a bricks and mortar shop, (in Melbourne while Iím here).
    Thank you

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    Flashpixx - I have a Commandante C40 which I use at work for afternoon pour overs in a Brewista Smart Dripper, but from all reports it can do espresso quite well (I have never tried). I picked mine up second hand, not sure I would pay $300+ for it as I am a tight ass, but would highly recommend it. Nice grind adjustments can fit maybe 30 grams of coffee and relatively quick to grind compared to the smaller grinders like Hario's, probably 45 seconds to grind 20 grams. Build quality is very high and it is certainly heaps smaller than something like a Lido if you are carrying it around. It does have a few bits of plastic but mostly stainless steel, the grind bin is glass and could be a weak link and break if you drop it, but they seem to be available online in Australia.
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    C40 or Lido (ET)

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    for sure the comandante. takes a little longer than the lido to grind to due to less torque, but is easier to adjust and more portable than the lido. i used to lug around my lido for travel until i picked up the comandante - just so much easier in every respect.

    the lido is a great grinder; don't get me wrong. it's just best suited for hand-grinding at home. it can grind faster and more grounds (up to 70g from memory), but can be a little bit of a pain to make small adjustments.

    padre stock the comandante, and there's one close to you in south melbourne market.
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    Money no object? The Hiku for build, TiN burrs and dead sexy design.

    For travel though I now use the Precision hand grinder. They're compact and grind quality is every bit as good. You also won't fret if it gets a little knocked around. They're about $100-140 depending on which size you choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodhouse View Post
    padre stock the comandante, and there's one close to you in south melbourne market.
    Thanks, heading to the market tomorrow, perfect ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeinator View Post
    Money no object? The Hiku for build, TiN burrs and dead sexy design.

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    Looked at Hiku as it’s what James Hoffman recommends however doesn’t “appear” to be available in Australia

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    Quote Originally Posted by flashpixx View Post
    Looked at Hiku as itís what James Hoffman recommends however doesnít ďappearĒ to be available in Australia
    Seems to be available from sponsor Alternative Brewing in Australia Flashpixx.

    https://alternativebrewing.com.au/pr...offee-grinder/
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    Quote Originally Posted by flashpixx View Post
    Looked at Hiku as it’s what James Hoffman recommends however doesn’t “appear” to be available in Australia
    I googled Hiku hand grinder and got three aussies and a Melbourne bricks and mortar straight away
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    Hmmm, missed that, just did another Google search, seems the Hiku is also available from Coffee Parts in Sydney.
    Last edited by Yelta; 12th December 2019 at 04:46 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Hmmm, missed that, just did another Google search, seems the Hiku is also available from Coffee Parts in Melbourne.
    Coffee Parts be in Sydney

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeinator View Post
    Coffee Parts be in Sydney
    Thanks Caffeinator, correction made, not having a good day, too many irons in the fire.
    Last edited by Yelta; 12th December 2019 at 05:21 PM.

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    I have a Comandante and find it excellent. Itís designed as a brew grinder, but itís also great for espresso.

    Once youíve put about 4kg through it, grinding is very easy. Courser grind for brew is now almost effortless, and espresso is pretty easy too.

    Quality is excellent, I think youíre getting what you pay for here. There are some plastic parts, but this is high quality plastic and I do not have any concerns about it breaking.
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    One slight word of caution in relation to the Hiku and Comandante is that they are on the larger side in terms of outside diameter and, depending on the size of your hands, I would definitely recommend a hands-on trial to ensure that the ergonomics are suitable for you. If this was an issue for you one of the thinner grinders, like the Precision mentioned by Caffeinator, would be worth trialling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flashpixx View Post
    Looked at Hiku as itís what James Hoffman recommends however doesnít ďappearĒ to be available in Australia
    I think you mean Kinu. James Hoffmann picked the Kinu as his favourite hand grinder of the top end ones he tested. To my knowledge heís never tested a Hiku.
    I also really like the look of the Hiku and was a bit bummed when I missed their crowd funding round. Apparently theyíre having lots of problems with them though so Iíd steer clear of the Hiku at the moment. I still think theyíre probably the best designed hand grinder, they just need to get on top of the build and QC.
    For now the Kinu by all accounts is the pick of the bunch for grind quality, followed very closely by the Apollo and Lido, whereas the Commandante is the best all rounder. If price is no barrier then Kinu would be the pick. If you find itís slightly too big then the Commandante or maybe a Timemore are the other good options.

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    I have the comandante C40 and would recommend it. I've put it head to head with the EK43 in blind cuppings for fun and it has been in the zone with the EK43. If you google, you will see that others have similar feelings and it's apparently fairly commonly used in brewers' cup competitions. This is a phenomenal result for a hand grinder. I also feel it is thicker than I would like and I would prefer if it were better textured for grip and didn't have a glass grind collection jar. They had a protoype thinner C20 many years ago, which I gather never made it into production; I waited a few years in the hope that it would. If money is no object, one of the nice things about the comandante is that you can get the finer thread pitch red clix spindle upgrade for greater adjustability (though you will double the number of clicks you have to make).

    Seems like a lot of the high end hand grinders have good bearings, stabilisation systems, etc, but many of the manufacturers seem to buy in burrs, so I'd expect a lot of them to perform similarly. I think Italmill is a common burr supplier for these sorts of applications. Comandante make (or at least have made for them) their own burr set, which looks quite different. I have some friends with a few different hand grinders; eg. knock and helor, and one of the things on our very long list of blind cuppings we want to do is a high end hand grinder smackdown ... not sure when or if we'll ever get to it.

    If you take the view that any of the pricier metal burr hand grinders are likely to have good enough grind quality and adjustability, then the timemore grinders start to look like the frontrunners. The textured metal for gripping and the small size for both easy gripping and easy packing both seem like great advantages. Would want to see and use them in the flesh, though!

    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    I think you mean Kinu. James Hoffmann picked the Kinu as his favourite hand grinder of the top end ones he tested. To my knowledge he’s never tested a Hiku.
    I also really like the look of the Hiku and was a bit bummed when I missed their crowd funding round. Apparently they’re having lots of problems with them though so I’d steer clear of the Hiku at the moment. I still think they’re probably the best designed hand grinder, they just need to get on top of the build and QC.
    For now the Kinu by all accounts is the pick of the bunch for grind quality, followed very closely by the Apollo and Lido, whereas the Commandante is the best all rounder. If price is no barrier then Kinu would be the pick. If you find it’s slightly too big then the Commandante or maybe a Timemore are the other good options.
    What makes you think the Kinu is the pick for grind quality? If you're referring to James' video, James said that he picked the Kinu in spite of the grind evenness. He said he thought the Comandante produced the best espresso shots. I think he more or less said all of the high end grinders are pretty good in terms of grind quality for filter coffee.
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    That was my take on the video as well, the Kinu seemed to be ranked higher as it was nicer to use, not because it made nicer coffee. I was looking at buying one for a while, but based on what I read the C40 generally seemed to be preferred based on grind quality and taste. This is just forum reading though, I have never used a Kinu.

    The C40 was marked down by Hoffman for being hard to get beans into, however I have found the the jar fits perfectly in the top. If you weigh beans in the jar, pop the grinder upside down and flip it over, you have all beans loaded in a second, with zero chance of spill.

    I also think that it would be hard to compare hand grinders that are not seasoned. The C40 was good when I bought it, but transformed with a few kg through it.
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    I still love my Lido 2 for travel and camping duties. Matches the Robur taste-wise for espresso. And in a nice little pack with the aeropress, it is an absolute winner! It is fast (but quite hard work) – and adjustment is not too bad. And no unscrewing to get beans in…

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    My precision is good and not a problem if it gets banged around as it's not super expensive.
    Lido 2e at home. I have taped a scale to the side to allow me to keep track of grind adjustments, as I use it for espresso. Probably not required for other brew methods.
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    Comandante C40 for sure, just really save you wrist and time. and I did compare with EK43 quite more mouthfeel because the potential of conical burr.
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    I recently got the Lido 3, it’s built incredibly well, and comes with a carry bag. I haven’t had any difficulty using the adjustment rings, and it grinds pretty quickly.
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    Had a lido 3 before, can definitely recommend it for its solid build and grind quality.
    It is on the bigger side compared to other hand grinders but if you're using it indoors or bringing it with you in your camping van I don't see a problem.
    Probably not the best to travel with it, did it once where I hand carried it, security stopped me because of it. When I said it was a coffee grinder the response I got was "WTF?", guess the burrs must have looked scary under x-ray.
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    If you do take a hand grinder as carry on it would pay to have some beans with you. When you say it's a coffee grinder you can then give an on the spot demonstration. Once they've got the grinds to deal with they more than likely will quickly wave you through. Haven't had to do it yet but keeping it up my sleeve.
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    I recently bought a Kinu M47 Simplicity due to the Christmas sale they had. It has the same all steel bombproof construction of the Original M47 (where it matters) in a slightly lighter, less expensive package.

    The precision and build quality is outstanding and the grind for espresso is amazingly good. I’ve only pulled a few shots with it so far, but early testing shows it puts my Kony E to shame which is something i wasn’t expecting!


    Haven’t tried it with any other brew methods yet though.
    A brew burr can be bought as an extra if wanted.

    Only downside I’ve noticed is the occasional bean fragments ejecting from the top as it doesn’t have a lid, but other than that that it’s highly recommended.
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    Just arrived is my Lido ET. I am new to hand grinders apart from a co-workers ceramic but it could never grind fine enough for my ROK.
    My first attempt was Turkish, way too fine which I was happy to see. I now know that this unit can do it all. Very very quick to grind compared with the other hand grinder and smoother that what I have seen from a Lido 2. Easy to hold and grind, cleaning is fairly simple though some grinds do get a little clingy but a few taps clears things up. Very happy with the purchase so far.
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    I added a piece of tape and a alignment mark. This allows tracking of grind adjustment and the same lock ring tension every time. Very worthwhile I think.
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    Thanks everyone for your contributions and suggestions. Havent actually bought one as yet as have had other things on my mind while in Melbourne.
    So many to choose from....



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