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Thread: Am I doing it right?

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    Am I doing it right?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I'm pretty new to home espresso (I brewed stovetop for 20 years), so still working a few things out.
    Now ready to upgrade to a better grinder, and I think I know what will work for me, but wanted to check with you experienced upgraders, so I can learn from your mistakes, and not end up wanting something else right after buying. Actually, that's probably unavoidable... but one must try.

    I grind whole beans for every brew, I weigh them before grinding to get the dose I want, then grind 'til it's finished.
    I don't leave beans in the hopper, because I usually have more than 1 roast at hand, I don't want it going stale, and I don't want to waste beans.

    Given that, it seems that I don't need a grinder that controls dose with timing or scales, and I don't need a grinder with a dosing chamber.

    I have really limited height (530mm total, under a shelf) to work with, so I'm looking at Barazza Setee 270 (best fit) or Eureka Atom (juuust fits).
    Eureka obviously a better grinder, but it's gonna be more awkward to fill the hopper ever brew with only 9cm clearance.

    Just wanna know, is the way I'm brewing/grinding weird - or is this how most people do it at home?
    What am I missing, that I might like about a different process or different machine?

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    Your process is carried "single dosing" is a fairly common way to do it. Not the only way or even the most common way to do it but common nonetheless. For a small grinder that is good for single dosing check out the Niche Zero. I have one and it's great for switching between beans and brew styles because it retains practically nothing, so no purging required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    Your process is carried "single dosing" is a fairly common way to do it. Not the only way or even the most common way to do it but common nonetheless. For a small grinder that is good for single dosing check out the Niche Zero. I have one and it's great for switching between beans and brew styles because it retains practically nothing, so no purging required.
    Ditto.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    Your process is carried "single dosing" is a fairly common way to do it. Not the only way or even the most common way to do it but common nonetheless. For a small grinder that is good for single dosing check out the Niche Zero. I have one and it's great for switching between beans and brew styles because it retains practically nothing, so no purging required.
    Ah, perfect! Thank you. That looks like exactly what I'm looking for.
    I wasn't loving the appliance look and build of the setee, and most of the other semi-commercial grinders are too big, and not really setup for how I like to brew.

    The niche looks great. Bit of a save up and buy later price-point, but that's okay.
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    ++++ For Niche grinder.

    Save yourself heart ache and cost of working up through a succession of cheaper grinders. Grinder is the MOST important after the beans in making good coffee.

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    Agree Niche, in the meantime you could get a cheap mazzer mini e and set it up for single dosing (remove hopper, a bit of sweeping out of chambers involved, and when $ready, resell it for nearly/no loss and get a Niche.

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    Good luck getting a cheap Mazzer Mini E. A cheap doser Mini yes.

    A word of caution too on conical burrs. They give a quite different grind to a flat burr. The differences are not always positive.

    My Robur gives great results for milk drinks as you get the flavours are strong and rich.

    For espresso, it is a bit too extracted overall and I prefer the output from the Mignon Specialita.

    I would also recommend the Specialita. It is perfect for home use as it is compact and very quiet. It also single doses very well but I also sometimes use the hopper and timer and that works great too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    Agree Niche, in the meantime you could get a cheap mazzer mini e and set it up for single dosing (remove hopper, a bit of sweeping out of chambers involved, and when $ready, resell it for nearly/no loss and get a Niche.
    Nice idea, and I hear Mazzer Mini is a solid unit. But, I don't have the time or patience for all that. I've already got cupboards full of stuff that I never got around to selling after upgrading. Not coffee stuff... other stuff. Better off just selling some of that to justify buying the right grinder straight up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post

    I would also recommend the Specialita. It is perfect for home use as it is compact and very quiet. It also single doses very well but I also sometimes use the hopper and timer and that works great too.
    Tell me more. I've heard this about flat burrs. Although also heard that the big conical burrs do a good job too. The Niche has 63mm Kony burrs.
    Dimensions say that Eureka Specialita is 350mm high, is that with the hopper on? That tiny, which is good.
    How's retention? I don't expect it to be zero... but I do want it to be negligible.
    How's cleaning and resetting?

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    The difference is there between the flat and conical.

    I would recommend the flat as it does give a more precise size distribution but also you have a huge choice of flat burr grinders to choose from.

    The conical burr has a lot of supporters though and I use mine most days. I like the Robur but for an espresso I will just single dose on the Specialita. People like conical as they give consistency and good crema and mouthfeel.

    It is tiny 350mm tall with 55mm burrs and a 310W motor and micro metric adjustment. It has minimal retention as it is designed to have the burrs fill the chamber and the chute is steep and short and easy to clean. The burrs and chamber are easy to clean as well, more than most grinders. The micro metric adjustment adjusts the bottom burr so removing the top burr carrier doesn't affect grind setting.
    Last edited by wattgn; 14th December 2019 at 02:16 PM.
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    As I've mentioned on previous occasions...
    If you're unsure about which type of grinder is going to suit you, try to find a specialist coffee operator somewhere who have both Flat and Conical burr grinders set up. Try a few coffees made using the same beans ground from each grinder, then make a decision of which type suits your palate the best.

    For me though, I much prefer the results from a Conical as the broadening out of the flavour spectrum translates into enjoying more of what's available from the bean. And, probably why I enjoy Ethiopians so much too...

    Mal.
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