Post By okitoki
Post By wbroadhead
Post By level3ninja
Post By Casa Espresso
Seeking advice on a grinder upgrade!!
I upgraded my machine from a Rancilio Silvia to a beautiful Di Bartoli Lumina (ECM) after 13 years about 6 months ago. Next on my upgrade path is to move on from the simlarly aged Rocky (doserless). It has been a solid unit but I'm keen to improve my shot quality with a new grinder. Important to me is that I use a number of different brew methods on a regular basis. As well as espresso, I use the Dripster (cold drip), Chemex, V60, french press and aeropress at various times. I usually have at least one lot of espresso beans and one lot of filter beans on the go at any given time. These brew methods obviously call for widely different grind sizes. Whilst I have managed for quite a few years to do with this with Rocky, I find the process of switching grind quite frustrating, and there does seem to be quite a bit of wastage flushing out stale grinds. I've also found that when using the coarser grinds on rocky, stale grinds gum up the threads on the collar adjustment fairly quickly and in time I can no longer adjust easily down to espresso without pulling the whole thing apart and cleaning it.
Given all the above, I am very interested in the couple of low retention, single dosing friendly grinders which are around now. Of course there is a lot of talk about the Niche Zero at the moment, though at $1300 or so it is a bit above my ideal budget - I was aiming to spend around $1000. That said, if it turns out ot be the best option I may well save for a bit longer to get it rather than settling on something that is my second choice. I thinks also in the same ballpark the Eureka ATOM and Especialita may well be worthy of a closer look due to their low retention. There is also the Baratza Sette option, but I know there are concerns around longevity, and I'm really looking at this being my last major coffee investment for a long time.
It occurs to me that I may be better off to spend $1000 on a dedicated espresso grinder and hold on to Rocky for my filter needs. If I got one grinder to do it all, I'd be looking to sell on my Rocky but I don't think the resale would be that high given its age. IIRC, they retail for a little over $400 these days new.
I'm interested in what any other snobs with similar brewing habits might have in their arsenal, and what might get me the best bang for buck!!
get a cheap used Jolly and convert it with single doser? pretty easy to adjust grind sizes when needed... would last forever
IMHO keep the rocky for your drip cold brew and grab a 2nd hand super jolly and use that as your espresso grinder. then you never have to worry about changing grinds. if you can afford the 1300 bucks then buy the niche. I have a super jolly that I have a short hopper on and have deleted the doser. I now grind to weight and my shot quality has increased immensely. as long as you have the bench space for 2 grinders then you will get out of it for about 500 bucks looking at used holly's around d the traps
I had a Eureka Atom for 2 years, which I loved for espresso. When I started changing beans regularly I sold the Atom and bought a Niche. Now having espresso and filter both on the go regularly is seamless. If it were me I'd save for the Niche, but that's down to personality.
+1 Niche Zero, I am with Ninja and have also owned a Eureka Atom and Niche Zero. It is definitely worth stretching for the Niche if you are changing grind settings alot.
Rocky's are still quite popular second hand and should fetch $150-$200. I roast a bit and even if I don't I try different beans often and also do a bit of grinding for cold drip with coarse settings. Generally with the Niche dialing in I can guess/remember the setting for beans I have used and don't waste a shot, for new beans usually one bad shot and I can guess the correct setting.
. I thinks also in the same ballpark the Eureka ATOM and Especialita may well be worthy of a closer look due to their low retention. There is also the Baratza Sette option, but I know there are concerns around longevity, and I'm really looking at this being my last major coffee investment for a long time.
Our experience, and of quite a few others, is that there is a bit of retention in the Eurekas.
It is in part to do with their anti clumping "tail" that runs down the shut. From time to time we do recommend taking the top bur and cover off to give them a good clean.
Having said that a bit of grind retention is not the end of the world if you are not single dosing.