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Thread: Next level grinder above the Macap M2M

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    Next level grinder above the Macap M2M

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    Let me preface this by saying I'm mightily impressed with my Macap M2M (slightly over 3 years old). It's served me extremely well without any issues. Granted it's had an easy life and nothing is wrong, but I'm thinking of upgrading to a 'better' grinder. Just wondering what grinders I should be considering. I'd like to keep the budget as low as possible.

    I'm wondering if these are an improvement?
    - Mahlkonig Vario
    - Baratza Sette 270WI
    - Eureka Mignon Silenzio

    I'm open to opinions and suggestions.

    Thanks in advance

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    What would you be looking for that would make a 'better' grinder and offer an 'improvement' over the one you have? Noise levels, speed, grind retention, looks, something else?
    I understand that budget may be a concern, but are you able to offer up a figure as to budget, as 'low' is a relative term.
    Sorry to bombard you with questions, but it will help us to help you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovey View Post
    What would you be looking for that would make a 'better' grinder and offer an 'improvement' over the one you have? Noise levels, speed, grind retention, looks, something else?
    As embarrassing as it sounds, I think I'm tempted by reviews of the other grinders with 'fluffy' grinds, grind by weight etc. I'm not sure how the taste of the coffee will change as the only other grinder I've used is the Sunbeam EM0480.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovey View Post
    I understand that budget may be a concern, but are you able to offer up a figure as to budget, as 'low' is a relative term.
    I know it's not much, but I'd like to spend up to $800. Second hand is also an option.

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    You have a very budget grinder. It won't take much to improve it but once you get to a certain standard, any increase is pretty minute.

    Other factors take over, as you know. Forget fluffy grinds, everyone's grinds are fluffy until a grinder that is fluffier comes along...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    You have a very budget grinder. It won't take much to improve it but once you get to a certain standard, any increase is pretty minute.

    Other factors take over, as you know. Forget fluffy grinds, everyone's grinds are fluffy until a grinder that is fluffier comes along...
    I wouldn't say a Macap M2M grinder is very budget....
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    You can get a Eureka Atom 60 for about $950 new. Might be one or two floating around 2nd hand?

    I'm not sure where the idea of the M2M being 'very budget' comes from. They're a pretty decent grinder (I've got one)....a little slow and the stepped adjustment isn't for everyone. I do, however, prefer the grind quality (i.e. the quality of the coffee produced) from my OE Lido hand grinder though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimmy View Post
    As embarrassing as it sounds, I think I'm tempted by reviews of the other grinders with 'fluffy' grinds, grind by weight etc. I'm not sure how the taste of the coffee will change as the only other grinder I've used is the Sunbeam EM0480.
    I know it's not much, but I'd like to spend up to $800. Second hand is also an option.
    G'day Dimmy, don't be embarrassed, it's your decision and as long as you're happy with the end result, who cares what anyone else thinks.

    As others have alluded to, 'fluffiness' is a relative term and it doesn't really matter how 'fluffy' the grinds are as you'll lose the 'fluffy' when you tamp anyway .
    Grind by weight would be a good feature, as long as it's reliable and repeatable.

    Good luck with your decision and remember, there's no such thing as a stupid question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    I do, however, prefer the grind quality (i.e. the quality of the coffee produced) from my OE Lido hand grinder though.
    Do you mean the grind is more consistent? Was this used in an espresso machine? if so, a hand grinder maybe an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimmy View Post
    Do you mean the grind is more consistent? Was this used in an espresso machine? if so, a hand grinder maybe an option.
    I normally use the OE Lido E T when overseas (for about 8 weeks at a time), paired up with my Espresso Flair (manual lever espresso). However, on weekends at home I often use the hand grinder with my home machines (both of which are 'lever' machines). I've recently purchase an Olympia Cremina through a fellow member, and will soon sell my Quickmill Achille. The Lido is absolutely capable of choking either of these machines.

    I haven't ever directly observed grind consistency, but the results in the cup would be 'consistent' with fewer fines being produced by the Lido. The only pain in the proverbial with the Lido is not actually grinding (that's easy) it's getting the last few grinds to release themselves from the burrs and land in cup. There are other excellent hand grinders out there too. But they are not for everyone. At the moment I make 2 or max 3 coffees a day and the hand grinder is fine effort wise, and excellent in terms of the quality of the coffee produced.

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    Thanks for the information Barry. Sounds like something to investigate. My only experience is with a Porlex. Not exactly the fastest thing on earth...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimmy View Post
    Thanks for the information Barry. Sounds like something to investigate. My only experience is with a Porlex. Not exactly the fastest thing on earth...

    I've got one of them too.....and your're right. The Lido is a world different in terms of ergonomics and grind time /effort. As above it's only the process of getting the last grind out off the burrs that slow me down. Will probably upgrade my electric grinders towards an Atom or Niche (probably the Atom). Not in a hurry though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Will probably upgrade my electric grinders towards an Atom or Niche (probably the Atom). Not in a hurry though.
    Nice I'll investigate hand grinders, there's been a few threads about this recently.

    The Atom sounds interesting as well.

    Is a second hand Super Jolly worth considering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimmy View Post
    Nice I'll investigate hand grinders, there's been a few threads about this recently.

    The Atom sounds interesting as well.

    Is a second hand Super Jolly worth considering?
    Can't help you with the Super Jolly thing, but I'm sure others can.

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    A Mazzer Super Jolly is a class grinder. You can't go wrong and they last forever.

    I have the Mazzer Robur and the Atom.



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