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    Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

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    Hi All,
    Can anyone suggest a grind setting for the Sunbeam EM0480 and dosage when paired with Rancilio Silvia. I have had the pair since my birthday in March and just cant seem to get it right. I understand that the grind will vary depending on the bean, but surely there must be a setting that will get you close to the 22-25 sec shot. Being a lover of fine coffee, but a beginner at home brewing with no time on my hands, can anyone help? When i purchased the machine, the gentleman suggested 2 spoonfuls (only) of coffee for a double shot with the Rancilio plastic spoon provided. This is leaving the puc way to muddy no matter how corse the grind. Can someone please suggest a setting and how much coffee i should be putting in for a double shot. I am at wits end!
    Anyones advise would be much appreciated!


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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

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    If the puck is soggy It means you are underdosing.

    You need to get the Dose right *and the Tamp right before the grind adjustment can be determined or made.

    Buy a Kg of cheap supermarket coffee and put a few hours aside to practise.

    When I had the EM0480, my technique was to 3/4s fill the PF [about as full/high as you could go without spilling coffee].
    Then tap it on the bench several times to settle the grinds,
    Then continue to fill untill a "mountain" of coffee towered above the top of the PF and began to spill.

    Once filled, tap the PF on the bench lightly to settle the remaing grinds then gently distribute and level the grinds off with your finger.
    When its basically flat, gently place the tamper on top [use only its own weight] to level the coffee.

    Then Tamp @ around 13kg..

    Tamp on your bathroom scales to verify you have a pressure of 13KG. +/-1 *Kg is ok, but if you want make consistant coffee you need to practise this and check regularily

    Use a "real" tamper that fits the PF well [suggest you check out site sponsor: Pullman Tampers], the crappy plastic one that comes with the machine is basically useless and could well be a contributor to youre problems.

    The tamped [compressed] grinds in a correctly dosed & tamped Silvia double basket should end up *about 3-4mm below the top of the basket.

    You should feel a slight resistance [compared to inserting an empty PF] when you insert the PF into the group.

    Furthermore, before you pull the shot, *remove the PF and check to see if there is an impression from the shower screen screw.

    If youre getting the showerscreen screw impression, your dose is right.

    I threw that stupid spoon/tamper away, and strongly suggest you do the same, but at a guess Id reckon youd use at least 4 spoons *[2 spoons...BAH! HUMBUG!] worth of coffee, to get the dose right.

    Once you have the Dose and Tamp right, then you can look at your grinder settings.

    When my sunbeam was new, a setting around 14 worked.
    Others here, seemed to report a setting around 8, in my experience it depended which was the upper burr was assembled following cleaning.

    Try 14, *if it gushes then try 8.
    Once you have this starting point, tweak the grinder setting:

    A lower number produces a finer grind which will increase the pour time,
    conversely, higher number, courser grind, faster pour.

    Given a correct *[and consistant] dose and tamp, a setting [step] on your grinder either side of the optimun will change the pour length by about 8 or 9 seconds.

    If all is good, *as a guide, for a double, *you want, a 60ml pour in about 30 sec *[timed after hitting *the brew switch].

    There are some problems with some sunbeam grinders that may also be causing your problems, but until your dose & tamp are, correct and consistant, *you will not be able to determine this.


    Let us know how you progress, HANG IN THERE...it takes time.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

    Dont get tooo hung up on soggy pucks, you should be looking first and foremost for a nice dark, thick stream coming from the spouts, that starts to turn thin and blond in the 20-30s area.
    Myself (and others) have found lower doses with a finer grind, despite resulting in soggy pucks, can often produce a far sweeter, fuller shot than overdosed shots.

    Search for naked portafilter on youtube or the likes to get an idea of what youre trying to achieve (though you will have to use your imagination to see how this should appear out of your spouts).

    As reubster suggested, a good way to dose is levelling off to the rim of the basket and tamping (you dont need to tap unless youre overdosing). Id suggest you start by dialing in a 25s shot just by overfilling, doing a clean levelling off and tamp. No monkey-business, just dose/tamp.

    Dont dose in spoonfuls either. Personally I prefer to use the included little container to cache the ground coffee before dosing straight from that (on the odd occasion when I use my EM0480 ;)). Some might argue this is bad practice but it seems to work fine for me.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

    I have been grinding at 11 for my Silvia, this gives me a great pour. It comes out really slowly in droplets and dark brown, then flows slowly in golden thick liquid and gradually blonds at around 20seconds. Ive been stopping the pour at 15seconds (ristretto) this gives a lovely sweet shot with no bitterness, great for lattes, flat white with artwork on top etc.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

    Thanks for all the advice guys.
    I think the first thing i need to do is get a decent tamper.
    I will let you know how i go when i have some spare time to do some testing.
    Is a flat-base or convex-base tamper better? What do you all use? reubster suggested the pullman tampers which are flat-based.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

    Hi jmac

    My first post under the official username (rather than JavaB ;))!

    Flat based or convex based? That is largely a matter of personal preference. I have both and use the convex most of the time.

    If your showersceen is flat, then a flat based tamper is generally considered better but if the showerscreen is slightly convex - or the fixing screw is lower than the showerscreen - you can get a little more grounds in with a convex without disturbing the puck when you lock-in the PF.

    Also some suggest a convex is more forgiving when you dont tamp perfectly.... but it really is a personal preference in the end.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

    Nice Header JB :)

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1190851466/0#7 date=1191050857
    Nice Header JB :)

    Mal.
    idem ditto, JB... or should we now start calling you PEA??? ;D

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

    JavaB = 1 post= greenbean.........sorry, I have to laugh at that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Is JavaB no more? or will you have two personas?

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

    Quote Originally Posted by reubster link=1190851466/0#9 date=1191128588
    JavaB = 1 post= greenbean.........sorry, I have to laugh at that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Is JavaB no more? or will you have two personas?

    Yep, Im a split personality...... JavaB for personal opinions and "Pullman Espresso Accessories" for the official stuff.... so that other members know it is a potentially biased comment.

    I couldnt use "Greg Pullman" (which is the official sponsor account) so Andy set the Pullman one up for me.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

    Quote Originally Posted by Lizzi link=1190851466/0#8 date=1191058221

    idem ditto, JB... or should we now start calling you PEA??? ;D

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    Hi Lizzie....

    Just dont call me Sweet PEA :o :o...... please!

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 setup for Rancilio Silvia

    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1190851466/0#11 date=1191129953
    Quote Originally Posted by Lizzi link=1190851466/0#8 date=1191058221

    idem ditto, JB... or should we now start calling you PEA??? ;D

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    Hi Lizzie....

    Just dont call me Sweet PEA :o :o...... please!
    Ive been seriously contemplating a Pullman lately... guess that has made me PEA-brained? *;)



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