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    Thinking... But which one?

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    Hey,

    Thinking of getting a new grinder, maybe next year (not definite) but thats besides the point.

    I have chosen 3 grinders thats so far in my list.
    They are...
    1. Compak K6, possibly silenzo - Not any problems that Im aware of.
    2. Mazzer E - on the expensive side and timer issues
    3. Macap M4 Electronic - quite alot of clumping as seen on HB

    So what do you guys think about my 3 choices?
    Any other grinders that you guys think I should add to my list?
    Am leaning towards the Compak K6.

    CK:)

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    Re: Thinking... But which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1193027431/0#0 date=1193027431
    Hey,

    Thinking of getting a new grinder, maybe next year (not definite) but thats besides the point.

    I have chosen 3 grinders thats so far in my list.
    They are...
    1. Compak K6, possibly silenzo - Not any problems that Im aware of.
    2. Mazzer E - on the expensive side and timer issues
    3. Macap M4 Electronic - quite alot of clumping as seen on HB

    So what do you guys think about my 3 choices?
    Any other grinders that you guys think I should add to my list?
    Am leaning towards the Compak K6.

    CK:)
    Hmmm,

    From a performance and value for money perspective, itd be pretty hard to go past any of the Compak models. I dont know that so-called clumping is that big an issue anyway, it all comes down to the routine and technique you adopt in the end. Rockys are supposed to clump as well but this was never an issue for the few years I owned one. If possible, try and get to a retailer who will allow you to try before you buy (site sponsors ;)) so can see for yourself and then judge what is, and what isnt a concern.

    All the best CK,
    Mal.

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    Re: Thinking... But which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1193027431/0#1 date=1193036253
    Hmmm,

    From a performance and value for money perspective, itd be pretty hard to go past any of the Compak models. I dont know that so-called clumping is that big an issue anyway, it all comes down to the routine and technique you adopt in the end. Rockys are supposed to clump as well but this was never an issue for the few years I owned one. If possible, try and get to a retailer who will allow you to try before you buy (site sponsors ;)) so can see for yourself and then judge what is, and what isnt a concern.

    All the best CK,
    Mal.
    I agree. The Compak K3 touch is pretty sensational value for money. Seems to grind pretty clump free. It is kind of irritating that it doesnt just have a "grind as long as you push the PF against the lever" mode, but the three position switch does have a continuous grind button that you can use to similar effect.

    If you wanted a 64mm burr grinder, Id go for the Mini E over the Compak K6, seeing as you arent going to need the bigger motor at home. I always found the mini E very clean to use, although not everyone has had the same experience. I love the portafilter holder - set the double shot timer to grind 80% of what you need; leave the pf to grind, walk off to fill up your jug of milk, then come back and finish it all off. The lack of fine adjustment on the timer would be an issue if you were pulling multiple shots in a row and wanted to have each dialled in - the timer on the Mahlkoenig K30 is pretty great for that - but in home use where you pull maybe half a dozen shots across the course of a day, the grind will probably change and therefore throw the timer out of whack anyway.

    Just my $0.02,

    Luca

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    Re: Thinking... But which one?

    Thanks for the replies so far.

    The Compak is cheaper then the Mini E, is that right?
    If Mini E vs Compak k6, Im assuming the speed of Compak is faster then Mini E?
    I have used the Mini E before and is clean enough and think dosers are clean too. The only problem with the doser is, Im thinking that the sweepers wont sweep clean enough. Maybe the tape mod could fix that?

    CK

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    Re: Thinking... But which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1193027431/0#3 date=1193050933
    Thanks for the replies so far.

    The Compak is cheaper then the Mini E, is that right?
    If Mini E vs Compak k6, Im assuming the speed of Compak is faster then Mini E?
    I have used the Mini E before and is clean enough and think dosers are clean too. The only problem with the doser is, Im thinking that the sweepers wont sweep clean enough. Maybe the tape mod could fix that?

    CK
    Hi CK,

    One of the great advantages of Compak dosing chambers is great design. They sweep very cleanly- and in fact much better than Mazzer chambers do in my experience.

    Im somewhat curious as to why you wouldnt be comparing the Compak with a Mazzer Super Jolly though. The Mazzer mini-e would is probably better compared with the Compak K3 touch which is little more than 1/2 the price of the Mazzer and I reckon, just as good.....

    Chris

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    Re: Thinking... But which one?

    I thought Mini E is bascially a Super Jolly but with a smaller motor?
    Oh and I think Compaks look better:P

    CK

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    Re: Thinking... But which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1193027431/0#5 date=1193052755
    I thought Mini E is bascially a Super Jolly but with a smaller motor?
    Oh and I think Compaks look better:P

    CK
    Agreed CK, but wouldnt you compare doser with doser and likewise with the doserless versions? This is why I suggested K6 v SJ and K3T v mini-e.....

    I am very sceptical re the Macap electronic review. Grind size is very clearly different to that used in the Mazzer....

    Chris

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    Re: Thinking... But which one?

    Got a question, the K6 has an automatic stop with the black big thing near the exit chute. Can that cut off thing be removed so its easier to clean? seems pretty big and looks hard to clean with it on.

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    Re: Thinking... But which one?

    Im not quite sure why anyone would think so called "clumping"is an issue. The finer you grind, the more clumping you get, with any grinder. Yes this can vary a little from grinder to grinder, but this is normal, not something to get peoples knickers in a knot about.

    Its dependent on the origin or blend, but if there is a great deal of clumping it mostly means the "coffee bean on the end of the handle" is grinding his coffee way too fine anyway (unless of course a very high density origin is being ground).

    People that dont want to see clumps simply need to buy a doser grinder, as the sweeping action of the doser breaks the clumps up.

    As to your choices, theyre all good grinders or built by very well respected manufacturers, and as with any piece of equipment, their owners just need to learn to live with their various idiosyncrasies.

    Dont remove nuttin from any of them or you will anger the great god of warranty. Clean with a brush.

    For the money being spent, Mals suggestion is on the "money" - see if you can inspect closely beforehand and buy what you think you will be happy to live with.

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    Re: Thinking... But which one?

    Hi Coffee Kid and others.

    I agree that neither clumping, nor whether these types of small sized commercial grinders have stepped adjustment or not, are an issue for me.

    Also, someone above mentioned something about whether dispensers sweep well or not. Having experience with both Macap & Mazzer, M5/Mini doser grinders, I can say that the macap sweep is a lot "cleaner" than that of the mazzer.

    FWIW I currently use a Macap MC5 at home which is stepped. I have no trouble with either clumps or the adjustment. On the other hand at work I am using a (stepless) micrometric Macap M5 doser grinder. No trouble with that either..... its all the same to me, I just adapt to whatever is on the bench.


    Hope that helps.

    Regardz,
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    Re: Thinking... But which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1193027431/0#9 date=1194565010
    Hi Coffee Kid and others.

    I agree that neither clumping, nor whether these types of small sized commercial grinders have stepped adjustment or not, are an issue for me.

    Also, someone above mentioned something about whether dispensers sweep well or not. Having experience with both Macap & Mazzer, M5/Mini doser grinders, I can say that the macap sweep is a lot "cleaner" than that of the mazzer.

    FWIW I currently use a Macap MC5 at home which is stepped. I have no trouble with either clumps or the adjustment. On the other hand at work I am using a (stepless) micrometric Macap M5 doser grinder. No trouble with that either..... its all the same to me, I just adapt to whatever is on the bench.


    Hope that helps.

    Regardz,
    FC.
    Id support FC 100% on that one. Macap dosers definitely sweep cleaner than those of Mazzer....

    Chris

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    Re: Thinking... But which one?

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    If your electrically minded [and know how to work safely] it is very easy to remove the auto stop, but it is a more or less a permanent mod rather than a day by day removal.
    However, I reckon it could be restored in under 1 hour.

    I did it to my old K8, and recommend it as it gives much better access to the chute.

    Also, if [like a good little CSer] you grind through the doser, then the cutoff is pretty useless.

    Also, bear in mind the chutes in the older Compaks retained a lot of grind, but the newer models are apparently much better.
    If its just a quick brushout it may be no problem.

    At least with a site sponsor you can try this sort of thing out.

    Like Blue leader, Id suggest you consider how the warranty would be affected.


    I can thoroughly recommend the Compaks doser, it dumps beautifully and sweeps very clean. I would never go back to a doserless grinder.



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