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    Grinder for 6910

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Im wondering if anyone has any advice on a good basic grinder to go with the Sunbeam EM6910. I would only use it for espresso.

    The EM0480 seems a logical choice, but I have heard of people on this forum having to manually modify them to get them working properly. Given the EM0480 also grinds for a full range of coffee styles (drip, plunger, espresso), and I am only after an espresso grinder that is known to complement the EM6910, I thought Id see if there are better choices.

    Obviously, cost is an issue -- meaning I want to spend the least amount necessary on a grinder to produce a good espresso using a 6910 (which I havent got yet btw).

    The EM0480 also allows you to grind directly into the group handle. Do people think think this is an important feature?


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    Re: Grinder for 6910

    Hi mt and welcome...

    You will no doubt find the info you require in the following two threads both of which were in the sticky section of the grinders section ;). Good luck!

    2mcm

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1178017304
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1163235531

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    Re: Grinder for 6910

    Di Bartoli have a bargin on ... Start from here...
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1163932885/3#3

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    Re: Grinder for 6910

    Well, I have read those threads you guys referred to, and thank you for replying. Unfortunately, I didnt find them all that useful.

    I guess what Im after is someone with the Sunbeam EM6910, who has consistently and successfully been grinding and making espresso with the machine over a decent period of time, what grinder they use and would recommend?

    And, if anyone has the EM0480 / EM6910 combination, and has been really happy with it, that would also be really useful to know. (If so, what grind setting do you use?)

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    I have a EM0480 which I got free with the EM6910. I have been using it since about August. Have not had any issues so far, but I think the common consensus is get the best grinder you can afford.

    I have not owned another grinder, but some things do annoy me:

    1. It makes a mess
    2. You get clumps and the chute does get blocked (i generally clear it before making coffee)
    3. I sometimes wish I could adjust between the settings, I use it between 18 and 19 (which is very high from what I understand) - A friend who has one uses it at 8. So each one is different.

    But I am basically happy with the coffee I get with the EM6910.

    Personally, if I could afford it, I would get a better grinder. Just blew the cash on a Gene Cafe :)

    Rgds
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    Ben, thanks for the reply. Thats the sort of info I really am after.

    Thats the thing that concerns me... you use yours on 18/19, and your friend on 8, and the manual recommends 10-14. How can that be possible?

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    Hi mtrudgia,

    This wont be quite the response you are looking for, but I hope it will be informative!

    Firstly comparing grinder settings between any two grinders of the same make/model is useless as the scale is really arbitrary.... so you can use it for changes on your machine..... but will not be the same on someone elses machine (even the most expensive grinders have that problem).

    The Sunbeam 0480 has another issue which makes comparing readings even less useful. As they are used, most have to be dialled lower and lower to get the same grind size - until eventually they wont grind fine enough at all - and have to be modded (extra spacers installed to correct the problem - or returned to Sunbeam who will do it under warranty :().

    There is only one grinder to recommend for any machine - and that is the best you can afford!!! A grinder is far, far more important to making a good espresso than the actual machine. The better the grinder, the better the extraction.... all the way up to a Mazzer Robur (but that is mega expensive!!)

    A EM0480 will just do the job - just (but the steps are also too large for good control).
    A Iberital will do a good job
    A Mazzer will do a better job.... etc

    So it is down to the purchaser. How much money can you afford to spend.... and then spend the maximum you can.

    If you just want "reasonable" coffee or you budget is limited (and you dont mind a grinder with some reliability issues) - then a 0480 would be the best choice.....

    But dont think that matching the machine and grinder (form the same manufacturer) is an advantage - its not. The best grinder you can afford will get the best results from your machine.

    Arguably the best grinders are made by firms who dont make coffee machines by the way.

    Good luck with your purchase.

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    Re: Grinder for 6910

    I would totally agree with JavaB.

    Since August, making on average 2 coffees a day, I have probably moved down from 20/21 to 18/19.

    As a a Newbie, I think it is good enough, but as I have learned more and experimented more, I have got frustrated. If you can pickup a cheap one as an interim measure, it may be worth it, but then obviously you will lose if you resell. I suppose it really depends on how much you want to spend on this hobby. Note: It is addictive!!!

    Apparently there is a model down on the EM0480 which has the same internals.

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    Re: Grinder for 6910

    Thanks JavaB,

    What is it about the EM0480 that requires the grind setting to be made progressively lower in order to maintain the same granularity? Is this a fault in the machine, or is it a phenomenon that applies to all burr-type grinders?

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    mtrudgia,

    It is a problem with the design of the machine!

    The burrs are hardened steel and wear very, very slowly (they take years to go blunt in home use) but in cheap grinders they are held in plastic carriers. (In the two grinders I have - details in my sig below - they are held in solid brass carriers).

    With the pressure of grinding the beans the burrs are pressed into the plastic (Sunbeams plastic seems softer than most) and as they are pressed in you need to adjust to a lower and lower setting to compensate..... until eventually there is no more adjustment - so you put a spacer under the burr to raise it in the plastic.

    Basically the cheaper grinders have almost all plastic bits..... as you go up in price, less plastic is used, and that which is used is better quality -- as a result they are more reliable. Also the steps become smaller and are more easily repeated.

    My two grinders have "steps" of 0.02 mm!! (and you can set it between the steps as well - a true stepless grinder) This makes for fine espresso extraction...... but the lightest weighs over 14Kg and is full of brass and aluminium castings..... and NO setting creep even after years of commercial use.

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    Re: Grinder for 6910

    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1197499982/0#6 date=1197607378
    A Iberital will do a good job
    A Mazzer will do a better job.... etc
    To be brutally honest, Im not sure that paying for more than an iberital or an ascaso actually gets you a better cup of coffee until you hit something like a commercial conical grinder. To be sure, you get much more acceptable noise levels, a faster grind, probably less clumping and static, better build quality, better reliability. But a better result in the cup? Im not so sure. Id love to play around with these more; particularly running them and the super jolly against the major, to see if a massive flat burr grinder makes a big improvement.

    Cheers,

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    For repeatability, my Super Jolly eats the EM0480!! and its so solid - it just doesnt move at all. But Im talking Chalk and Cheese here!


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    Re: Grinder for 6910

    Cant comment on the differences, perceived or otherwise, between the results in the cup between a domestic conical and my current LSM SM-90A, as I havent had both accessible at the same time. But, I did have an as new Rocky to compare side by side with the LSM and the difference in the cup was quite astonishing :o.

    And it wasnt just me either. Tried some Single Blind cupping experiments with my sons and a couple of friends and to a person, they all recommended the pours made using the LSM. To my palate, it seemed as if the brew had taken on a broader perspective in that individual flavours were much more easily separated and identifiable, much more body and the enjoyment of the cup was terrific all the way through to almost lukewarm (dont normally do this).

    I wasnt expecting there to be any noticeable differences between the two grinders to begin with, since both use the same basic design and construction but, the differences were there and very noticeable. Dont know if the same quantum of difference would be noticeable between the LSM and a good commercial conical (maybe the law of diminishing returns starts to exert its influence) but it would be an interesting exercise just the same.... ;)

    Mal.



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