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    Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? *

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    Hi,
    I have a Gaggia Classic and an old Sunbeam 430 grinder which is not working so well. *Looking to upgrade to a new grinder, but have spent hours reading through these forums with no outcomes. *I would like some help sourcing a decent grinder under $200.00 that would work well with my classic... *many thanks *:-/

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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? *

    Mi mate - welcome to the forum.

    The KG100 is a nice little grinder and will do well for plunger and drip filter and low end machines that use dual walled (perculating) baskets. The KG100 (a Solis, re-badged - made in Switzerland) will not however meet the needs of a proper ezpresso machine such as the Gaggia Classic. I have the KG at work and even after taking it apart and doing the tweak that gives it an even finer grind than standard factory (with resulting extra wear on the moving parts) it only JUST meets the EM6910 Sunbeams requirement - and even then I need to use very fresh beans, grind an instant before making the shot (as I always do anyway) and overdose and tamp very hard - and even then its not a great pour (that the machine can achieve with my Rocky) but a good pour and one that does me for work. At home I have the Rocky which serves it up nicely (and can choke if on a low setting) by commercial FAEMA 2 group. I reccomended to a mate recently the Rocky for her Gaggia Classic and do so to you...but you will be paying over double what you posted.

    Some people on here are having success with the top of the line Sunbeam grinder. I have used it with the EM6910 at my brother in laws and with fresh beans we can achieve a nice pour and good grind (bit fluffy but it does the job). If you are serious about the dollars then check them out. From memory they can be purchased for about or under your budget.

    Cheers

    PS - the build quality of the Rocky is far above the Sunbeam and the Rocky will satisfy you if you go for a higher end machine, although some members here have gone for a higher end grinder again for their higher end machines...

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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? &n

    I have the sunbeam 6910 machine and bought the KG100......which i took back a few days later. I wasnt a big fan on the delonghi grinder. I purchased the sunbeam EM4080 grinder from harvey norman for 159.00 and its alot better more grind settings, better looking, quieter etc...


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    hi
    you cannot compare using a sunbeam grinder with a sunbeam coffee machine, no matter which one it is, to a gaggia classic.

    the sunbeam, brevilles use a dual wall filter basket so use a slightly coarser grind.

    the gaggia or any coffee machine that has a standard commercial filter basket needs a finer grind, as does a commercial machine

    the finess of the grind will then change from one machine to another depending on the internal design, and pressure settings.
    yes the rancilio rocky is a excelent grinder, and worth the dollars because it will last and last, but not necessarily the right grinder for you today.

    first question is what quality of extraction do you expect out of your classic
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    the 6910 i just bought has commercial baskets and is recommended by sunbeam?


    im still saying the sunbeam EM4080 would be good start for that price range.

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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? &n

    I have been using a Sunbeam em0480 for the last few weeks. It certainly can grind very fine. I am using it on 12 and getting espresso quality grind. They would be the best around the $200.00 mark. Of course for a little more you can get better quality like the Iberital Challenge for around $300. :)

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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? &n

    Quote Originally Posted by fix link=1199704415/0#3 date=1199777556
    hi
    you cannot compare using a sunbeam grinder with a sunbeam coffee machine, no matter which one it is, to a gaggia classic.

    the sunbeam, brevilles use a dual wall filter basket so use a slightly coarser grind.

    the gaggia or any coffee machine that has a standard commercial filter basket needs a finer grind, as does a commercial machine

    the finess of the grind will then change from one machine to another depending on the internal design, and pressure settings.
    yes the rancilio rocky is a excelent grinder, and worth the dollars because it will last and last, but not necessarily the right grinder for you today.

    first question is what quality of extraction do you expect out of your classic
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    Not sure what youre actually going on about "fix" :-?....

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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? &n

    Agreed Mal.

    Fix - you need to do your homework before being dogmatic and doing some brand bashing. Certainly most Sunbeam machines are crema enhancing dual wall basket machines. However the EM6900 AND EM6910 (which I speak of above) are specialised machines that use dual thermoblocks that allow simultaneous shot pulling and milk stretching and come with commercial sized single walled single and double baskets with a recommendation to use those baskets and fresh coffee, but if using supermarket brick style coffee, to use the dual wall crema enhancing baskets that also come with the machine....it produces very very good coffee and milk texturing for the price and yes it can be (very favourably) compared to the Gaggia Classic....

    I offered my experience with the EM for the very reason that it is comparable with the Classic in terms of what grinder might reasonably feed it...

    Cheers

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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? *

    I appreciate anyone who is trying to help me.
    Bottom line, how well will the 0480 work with the gaggia classic? (in that price bracket of course)... or is there a better machine around those dollars?

    thanks

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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? &n

    No markally,

    fraid not. The next echelon would start in price at around or just under $300, then up to the mid $400s and after that, the skys the limit. Suggest you have a look at the Sticky threads at the top of this category, lots of info there...

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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? &n

    Hi-ya Markally-
    Ive got a Sunbeam EMO480 which I use with a 2 group La Pavoni commercial machine. The grinder does the job fine. My research before and after tells me that this is the best grinder you can pick up for under $200 (Infact "caffhit" is right- you should pay between $160-$170).
    That doesnt mean its without its problems- the grind gets somewhat tempremental when the hopper is less than 1/4 full, which is (so far) my biggest gripe- this means Ive got to either pour about 150g of beans in the hopper then empty it again after making a few shots or have coffee that is stored less than perfectly in the hopper for 24hours or so (I guess I could just drink more!!). A few of the plasticy bits have broken and needed repair etc., but all said and done- I can get an excellent shot from my set up.
    In my (humble and far from expert) opinion if you can afford to buy a more expensive grinder (rocky?) do so, but if not go for sunbeam.
    Good Luck and have fun with ya new toys!

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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? *

    ozcot-
    dogmatic, brandbashing, do your homework

    was i bashing the gaggia or the sunbeam.

    the em69 series first came out with dual wall crema filters.
    the commercial style filters where added because the dual wall filters where failing, blocking up and sometimes splitting, when used with an espresso grind.
    so depending on which filters you use, depends on the grind and consistency of the grind needed.
    as i stated the internal design, pump bleed/bypass pressure settings, change from a thermoblck to a boiler

    different origin coffees and roast degree also play a part in the grind required



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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? &n

    Gday fix,

    I was under the impression that the SB EM6900 came out with both Pressurised and non-Pressurised (standard) Baskets too, except that the Standard Baskets were quite large and in fact carried far too much coffee compared to the sizes used by most Prosumer and Commercial machines. When the EM6910 was released to the market, apart from other changes, the Standard Baskets were brought back in size to be directly comparable with other 58mm Baskets.

    Pressurised Baskets are still provided with the current EM6910 for those people who, for what ever reason, prefer/need to buy pre-ground coffee. I guess if you were using a less than ideal grinder and were unable to produce a decent grind for espresso, then this would also allow you to use the Pressurised Baskets to create the impression of Crema.... Still not as good as the real thing though.

    Lots of members of CS use the SB EMO480/450 grinder across a range of different espresso machines including Rancilio Silvia, not just those from Sunbeam/Breville, and find them to be quite acceptable. There is no reason that I can see why a Gaggia Classic/Baby wouldnt also fit into this category. While it may not be ideal, the EMO480/450 style grinder does the job....

    Cheers,
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    Agreed Mal.

    Im using the 6910 at work now and managed to keep the old 6900 PF and baskets.
    The first thing I noticed was that the 6910 baskets were smaller.

    And as for the 0450/0480 I tried mine out at home on the Expobar before bringing it in to use at work.
    No problems there.

    Ive seen the same thing said before about the Gaggia Classic and it defies logic.

    Fix - my starting point the first time I used the Sunbeam grinder at work was the setting Id used at home when I dialled it in using the Expobar.
    It was close enough to spot on.

    Now unless the gaggia needs an extremely fine grind compared to most other machines, I dont understand where your getting your information from.

    Have you used a Sunbeam grinder or machine?

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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? &n

    Fix, you said in your post:

    "you cannot compare using a sunbeam grinder with a sunbeam coffee machine, no matter which one it is, to a gaggia classic.

    the sunbeam, brevilles use a dual wall filter basket so use a slightly coarser grind.

    the gaggia or any coffee machine that has a standard commercial filter basket needs a finer grind, as does a commercial machine"...



    Please re-read you post in the context of mine and you will see that you are wrong - you CAN compare the EM6910 Sunbeam with commercial sized single walled baskets to the Gaggia classic (and most people on this site use single walled baskets with the Classic and Sunbeam because they like real coffee after all) and it might reveal your error about your assumptions:

    1. A valid comparison CAN be made between using a Sunbeam grinder with Sunbeam machine to a Sunbeam grinder with a Classic;
    2. "The sunbeam" uses a dual walled basket because the EM is set up specifically to use the commercial single walled ones that ship with in preference to the double walled ones;
    3. "The gaggia" needs a finer grind...finer than the EM6910 - I dont think so.

    Further in your latest post you say that the EM6900 shipped first up with only dual wall filters. I took delivery of an early version of same and it had both baskets with it (I still have them despite being upgraded later to the 6910 machine). When the EM was first released it touted as being a proper machine in the sense that proper grinder, dosing and tamping was required and I doubt that Bassett would have put his name to a machine that was jumped up percolator only. I also recall early reviews of the EM6900 that where single walled commercial baskets were used that came with the machine and it was noted that they were bigger in volume that most standard commercial baskets. The 6910 reduced the size of the single walled baskets to be more consistent with commercial standard volume wise.

    Cheers

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    Mark - I hate to tell you this but you will have to spend a bit more - about $300 and get a gaggia MDF grinder or a Iberital challenge. Save for a bit longer and contact one of the site sponsors and they will be able to help you out.

    The Gaggia is very fussy in relation to grind and because it basically a mini commercial machine, the Sunbeam or De Longhi Grinders (or any others like the Breville etc) are just not of the standard that you will need to get a good result. It is not about how fine the grind is, but the quality of the grind and unfortunately, the burrs of the cheaper grinders are not very good quality to give a quality grind.

    One advantage of getting the Gaggia or Iberital grinders is that they will last many years as they are built to last, and if you decide to upgrade everything, you will be able to on sell them for a good price.

    Finally - what state are you in?

    Fix - I am hoping that mark is looking to get god shots and fabulous tasting espresso all the time.

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    Id like to get a god shot from time to time Lucinda...

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    Markally,

    As others in this thread [like coffebreath] have said, the EM0450/480 is the only grinder in your price range that is capable of producing a grind quality suitable for Gaggia Classic or any other "real" espresso machine.

    But price, errr, comes at a price

    There are some know quality problems [experienced by some but not all].
    These include:
    Upper burr bedding into carrier, causing the grind setting to slip over time.
    Lower burr assembly ends up with "play" causing inconsistant shots.

    Also, there is a design compromise where the grind setting "steps" are too large [about 9sec per step] so you often find the grinder cannot produce the ideal pour.

    There are work arounds for all of these issues, plus Sunbeam seem to be relatively good at repair/exchanging etc so these thing may be OK with you.
    However what it really boils down to is consistancy, and the more $$ you spend, the more consistant the grind [and hence your shots] will be.

    My personal experience [after going through 2 x EM0480s] is that when the grinder actually produced the right grind [ie what its supposed to do all the time], the shots were superb.

    In reality I found, perhaps 1 or 2 in 10 shots were great,
    3 or 4 in 10 were just acceptable
    and the rest went down the sink, wasting a lot of coffee and time.

    But, as we CSers know all too well, once you get the taste for a "brilliant" shot, anything less becomes unacceptable, and you just want to get to the point where "brilliant" becomes "the norm".
    So, within 3 months Id rid myself of the sunbeams and replaced them with a better grinder that could get it right every time.

    I can see you thinking.......
    "But, as long as my coffees OK, I dont really care if its not perfect all the time"

    Well, as we often say here at coffeesnobs.........you have been warned!!!.



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    Re: Gaggia Classic, delonghi KG100 or Sunbeam?? &n

    Well said Mr Ruebuster- that is exactly my experience of the EMO480.
    Again, I believe its best to persist with the capable but less than perfect Sunbeam until you can save enough to upgrade to a Rocky or better, no point upgrading twice I reckon...



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