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    Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

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    Gday all

    I have come across someone selling a second had coffee grinder. It is a Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder. It was second hand when the seller bought it but he has not used it in about 18 months. Can anyone give me a review about this item, any tips to look out for when I check it out.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Gday Aaron,

    If its in good nick and has been reasonably well looked after, they are an excellent grinder and roughly equivalent to a Mazzer Super Jolly. If possible try and check it out "in the flesh" or have someone you trust do this for you. At best it might only need a bit of a clean-up and a set of new burr-plates fitted; at worst it might need a complete tear-down, thorough clean and re-assembly plus a new set of burr-plates.

    Check it out first mate and then see how you go,

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Thanks Mal

    How can you tell if the burr plates are worn? It is local to me so hopefully will get a look tonight.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Hello again Aaron,

    If possible mate, take some of your favourite whole bean coffee with you and ask if you can grind some through the machine. The resulting grind should have very little fines(dust) and consist mostly of particles all roughly the same size.

    Should the owner not be amenable to your grinding a sample or three, ask if you can unscrew and remove the top burr-carrier to inspect the burr-plates and the grinding chamber; should be easy and quick to do. Once youve got this separated from the machine, inspect the burr-plate(s) closely and run the back of a fingernail across the edges of a few cutting planes and see if it shaves any of your nail off. If the burrs are in good nick the cutting edges should be quite sharp and easily shave a thin slice off your fingernail.
    Alternatively, just feel the cutting edges as you would when testing the edge of a knife or wood chisel, it should feel sharp. Also, when you tilt the burr-plate around to catch the light off its cutting edge there should be no obvious rounding off on the edge and the edge should be perfectly straight from centre to periphery with no obvious signs of wear noticeable.

    All that aside though, if the grinder is in otherwise really good condition, a new set of burrs is not very expensive and well worth the investment in terms of improving the quality of your coffee flavour in the cup. Theyll last for several hundred Kilos of throughput after that so might be worth doing in any case.....

    All the best :),
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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Ok I have been to check the unit out and from my totally unqualified opinion, this is what I have seen.

    Firstly the unit was built in 1999 so is 10 years old. Is this a problem? The overall condition of the unit is quite good, has obvious usage markings as would be expected, has a doser system with built in tamp. The clear plastic housings that holds the uncut beans is a little clouded (probably normal for machine of this age). The owner did not have any beans but when switched on the machine was quite quiet and ran smoothly. Unfortunatley I could not remove the burr carrier (no tools) but the owner had some residual ground coffee in the doser, and the coffee seemed ground well with no clumps. I think that i would follow Mals advice and replace the burrs anyway.

    Because this is the first grinder I have looked at I am not sure if the following is a problem or not.
    Excuse my lingo but the adjuster for the size of the coffee beans grind had a total of ?18 settings, and seemed a little tight at maximum fine and maximum coarse setting of the adjustment. The weird thing is that it seemed that it had the easiest movement when set at about setting 8. Is this normal? Can anything go wrong with this part of a grinder machine other that *burr plates getting worn.

    My gut feeling is that it is a good purchase, especially for $250.00 but if I could get some feedback on my last questions that would give me some confirmation as whether to buy it or not.

    Aaron

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by azadean link=1209441270/0#4 date=1209473635
    The weird thing is that it seemed that it had the easiest movement when set at about setting 8. Is this normal?
    This behavior is frequently seen on older grinders from dust and oil build up and rarely being moved more than a few points in either direction. It shouldnt be anything to worry about and should clear up with a good cleaning. :)


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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Yep,

    Agree with Java, should be a good buy at $250 with a cleanup and new burr-plates (if needed). Go for it mate,

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    I bit the bullet and bought it. :)

    Just needs a bit of a clean up and all should be well. I was considering trying to mod it so that it is doserless (mainly to reduce waste and bulkiness) and also reduce the size of the bean holder (where you put the beans in). Mainly this is to reduce waste and bulkiness but am not sure if this is possible. Any ideas?

    Next step esspresso machine.......

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Dosers dont make waste.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    A misuse of words i guess. What I probably should have said was that I did not want to have ground coffee sitting in the doser rather I would prefer to grind as I go so to speak. But I have so much to learn that I will probably change my mind many times before too long anyway.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    To reduce waste - dont fill the hopper up. Keep your beans in an airtight jar and only grind what you need for each shot.

    Also grab a small artists brush or pastry brush and clean the chute after each grind. Only takes a few seconds and becomes habit very quickly.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    What he said.

    I do exactly that and there are never any left over grinds in my hopper.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Yep, what they said..... ;D

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    My intention was to only grind as I use, but I just want to confirm your cleaning process. As I see it when you clean the hopper/ chute do you take the lid from the hopper and brush all the leftover stuff into the chute then out of the machine or do you use the brush from the outside of the machine and brush what you can by sticking it up the chute? I hope that makes sense.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Umm I think I know what you mean. For me on my Mazzer; take the lid off the doser, and brush out the the chute from the burrs into the hopper. So the other chute. Oh, make sure the grinder has stopped otherwise youll give your paint brush a haircut.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by azadean link=1209441270/0#13 date=1209796709
    My intention was to only grind as I use, but I just want to confirm your cleaning process. As I see it when you clean the hopper/ chute do you take the lid from the hopper and brush all the leftover stuff into the chute then out of the machine or do you use the brush from the outside of the machine and brush what you can by sticking it up the chute? I hope that makes sense.
    Its not really all that big of a deal az..... Probably takes me less than 10 seconds per brew session to do and has become just a second nature task to do now. Whats really good about using Dosers though, is that any/all clumps are broken up by the action of the Doser mechanism and there is very little mess created. No problems with static either.... 8-)

    I used to own a NON-Dosered grinder before the LSM I have now and theres no way Id go back. Just way to convenient..... Theres a bit of a Pro/Con discussion between the two types here that might give you some additional food for thought... http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1178017304

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Asadean

    I reckon that is a great purchase.
    Given its age, Id bite the bullet and install some new burrs. Its easy and rewarding.
    Site sponsor, Pedro at Coffee parts may be the best place to start, in all likelyhood the burrs will be common to other grinders.
    If you are only going to only grind on demand [a practise most of us CSer would recommend], another posibility is to remove the hopper permanently and just put the beans directly into the throat. You can sit an inverted tamper/anything else on top.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by reubster link=1209441270/15#16 date=1209945066
    remove the hopper permanently and just put the beans directly into the throat.
    Orrr.... ::)

    You could could do what Lizzi did and cut down an insulated mug from BigW, Woolies, K-Mart, etc and use that as a small hopper 8-). Lizzis looks pretty flash but mine looks a bit ordinary; still does the job though and thats the main thing ;). Heres the link..... http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1184736302/30#31

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Thanks for the link Mal, I actually had planned to make a smaller hopper so that it would seem a little smaller on the benchtop.

    I have cleaned the whole machine now except the burr plates. It has come up a treat. The only problem is I dont know which way to turn the top carrier to remove it. On this link http://www.home-barista.com/forums/fiorenzato-t80-grinder-how-to-change-blades-t2336.html it said to turn coarser but then says it may be a reverse thread.

    My problem is that my grinder feels the same both ways, ie it starts smoothly each way then gets progressively tighter. I do not want to force it the wrong way. One thing I did notice was that when turning it to make a coarser grind the top carrier seemed to move in an upwards direction so I would assume that this is the correct way to turn it. Just want to make sure.....

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Courser is logical.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Well the grinder is all cleaned up and ready for action. How do you set the burr plates for the first Grind? Is there a process to follow or is it just a "put a few beans in and grind away" and adjust till you get the desired setting.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by azadean link=1209441270/15#20 date=1210122362
    Well the grinder is all cleaned up and ready for action. How do you set the burr plates for the first Grind? Is there a process to follow or is it just a "put a few beans in and grind away" and adjust till you get the desired setting.
    All I did with mine aza, was to reduce the grind setting until the burr-plates were just touching and then back off about a 1/4 turn from there. This should get you within the ballpark.... :)

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    I took my grinder to my friends house to give it a good testing and for some reason am getting early blonding during the pour. Because I am new to this I got him to do the whole process from grind to pour to keep things consistent. (Because I have no idea what Im doing yet)

    I initally set the machine up as Mal suggested, and we found that after normal tamp the grind was too fine and we failed to get a drop through the puck. So I made the grind a little coarser by 2 whole settings and managed to get some liquid through the puck but was still too fine.

    We again adjusted another 2 *whole settings and this time there was no problem with liquid passing through the puck but now the liquid was blonding very early. (within a few seconds)

    So we began dropping it back finer but this time only went a couple of notches at a time and despite this did not get much improvement.

    We came to the conclusion that the burr plates are worn, so am waiting on delivery of new ones I have ordered from coffee parts tonight.

    Anyone willing to confirm my suspicions.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Yep,

    That description is pretty typical when the burrs are worn..... Just too many fines created. Youll be blown away though with the difference that new burr-plates will make. All the best :),

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Yup

    Sounds like what I experienced too, I could get the textbook pour time/volume [ie 60ml in 25 sec] but It was a relatively blond pour all the way through, and when compared to my previous newish grinder the shots tasted muddy and bitter.
    The new burrs gave a very clean sweet tasting rich dark pour with essentially no blonding.

    Im not sure where your barista skills lie, but blonding like you describe could also be the result of poor tamping, ie: the puck could get cracks, channels or be pulled from the side.
    If this was occuring more water will flow through the path of least resistance and the grind in this area will over extract, also causing blonding.

    If you are able to get repeatable times [albeit with the blonding] then your dosing and tamping are probably ok.

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    Re: Fiorenzato T-80 Espresso Grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by reubster link=1209441270/15#24 date=1210468874

    Im not sure where your barista skills lie, but blonding like you describe could also be the result of poor tamping, ie: the puck could get cracks, channels or *be pulled from the side.
    If this was occuring more water will flow through the path of least resistance and the grind in this area will over extract, also causing blonding.

    If you are able to get repeatable times [albeit with the blonding] then your dosing and tamping are probably ok. *
    For consistency & comparison, we used the same beans, tamped by the same person (me), in a triple basket / naked PF combo, on the same machine (my Mondiale), but running back to back shots between the T-80 and my Mazzer Mini - quite an interesting and fun experiment!

    I dont know if any of the following are indicative of worn burrs (as Ive never used a grinder with worn burrs before), but there were some distinct differences in the grinds/coffee obtained from each of the two grinders:
    - At Grinding - the pre-extraction grinds from the the T-80 appeared a fraction darker than from the MM - further, the pre-tamped grinds coming from the T-80 seemed to have a "heavier" aroma than the brighter aroma obtained from the beans ground by the sharper burred Mazzer,
    - At Extraction - although the first drops of coffee came through the pucks at about the same time (ie: immediately after pre-infusion), the puck from the T-80 blonded out spectacularly within 5 seconds, where the extraction from the MM ran easily through to 30 seconds (remembering we were using a triple basket); and finally
    - Cleanliness in the Grinder Throat / Burrs - after our play, burrs on the MM were dry - I cleaned the burrs out with a paint-brush and blow, whereas the burrs of the T-80 had a lot of very dark oily/pasty grinds caked in - it looked like what I would imagine coffee to look like if it were broken down using a pestel and mortar!

    I cannot get over the build quality of Azadeans new grinder - $250 was an absolute bargain (is there a green with envy smiley I can insert here?) :o

    Once the new burrs are in, the T-80 will be up there with the best of them !!!

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