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    Which grinder? When?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
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    I drink flat white espresso - 5 to 6 cups per day. I use a Gaggia Classic and purchase ground coffee. The result is "okay" but nowhere near as good as cafe coffee. Someone suggested grinding my own beans would make a significant difference, so Im now looking at grinders.

    My Gaggia is due for upgrade within the year. I intend to go to something like the Giotto. Im wondering whether to get a grinder now (if it makes such a difference) or (if it doesnt) to wait until I upgrade my espresso unit.

    Q1 - Would grinding my own beans make a much of a difference to quality coming out of the Gaggia?

    Q2 - Ive seen advice that recommends buying the best grinder one can afford: What characterises the better grinder? What do I look for when reading specs?

    Many thanks

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    Re: Which grinder? When?

    Q1: HUGEST YES!

    Q2: As far as Grinders go its pretty much, you pay for what you get. If youre going to pair it up with a Giotto in the future, I personally wouldnt be going anything less than a Mazzer Mini or Macap/Compak equiv. to satisfy any upgraditis. Check you the Grinders section for reviews though. Whats you budget, if any?

    A1: AND WELCOME! :)

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    Fresh roasted beans will open a world of flavour. The coffee you buy at supermarkets is as previously stated stale. I found out the difference and was so surprised I became hooked and that was when I was using a plunger.

    I bought a Sunbeam grinder EM0480 & Cheap coffee machine and have spent several months using that, as I also intend to upgrade in the near future to a Giotto or similar.

    I purchased an up market grinder (Mazzer Mini). Again the resulting change in the flavour of the coffee was astounding. I discovered more complexity of flavour than I expected as I was skeptical of some of the comments, persons made regarding the difference in taste from a cheap grinder to a commercial grinder. I am now a believer. :o

    So the rule is (and other more qualified CoffeeSnobs have stated this) is buy the best grinder you can and work from there. There are several threads on this that will explain it better.

    Welcome to the land of empty wallets ;D ;D Avoid Upgraditis [smiley=evil.gif]and buy the best quality grinder you can afford. And read everything on this site and others as they help you form an opinion as to what it is you are after.

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    Re: Which grinder? When?

    Yeeza: Thanks for your comments. I will find the budget for the right grinder. I just dont want to spend more than I have to. On the other hand, I dont want to spend too little and end up looking at an upgrade within 12 months - thatd be a false economy. Guess Im looking for the tipping point where additional cost yields diminishing (flavour) returns.

    Stan: Your comments regarding the improvement in flavour as a result of upgrading your grinder are most helpful. Thank you. I am indeed trawling this and other sites to improve my understanding.

    Looks like Id better buy a grinder sooner rather than later!

    I visited a two showrooms recently (neither one are site sponsors - dont think we have any on Gold Coast??) They (both) suggested a Challenge grinder to pair with a Giotto or similar, but from what I read I could be underspecd with a Challenge. Any comments??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwell link=1209703126/0#0 date=1209703126
    Q2 - Ive seen advice that recommends buying the best grinder one can afford: What characterises the better grinder?
    ...Grind consistency and the heat generated during the grind process mainly.

    The high-end grinders such as those mentioned in the posts by Stan & Yeeza have far superior grind consistency as compared to the cheaper grinders. Greater grind consistency results in a more even and consistent extraction and therfore, a better flavour profile in the cup.
    Quality grinders with quality conical burrs have a larger surface area and rotate slowly whilst grinding, thusly minimising the amount of heat generated during the process, excess heat during grinding can adversly effect the cup flavour of the coffee quite significantly.
    The quality of the grinder motor also plays a part, but its not as fundamental as the above.

    Ive got an Iberital Challenge- which does the job- but its the bare minimum and if you can possibly find a way to afford a better grinder, I would do so. I upgraded from a Sunbeam EMO480 to the Iberital and the difference was dramatic, but I still cant wait to upgrade again- to a Mazzer, so I will end up spending more money in the long run, if you know what I mean.

    Hope this helps, and welcome!
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    Mate the site sponsors are good whilst they may not be close they can give advice and if you purchase from them they freight it up. There are sponsors in Brisbane and on the Sunshine Coast as well. Have a look through them. I live in FNQ and if you think there isnt many options where you are - I have less. I bought from a sponsor in Melbourne and the goods arrived in perfect order (Thanks Chris). Prices vary and there are often specials available.

    Also you have the for sale section here and quite often good deals come up.

    Dont rush in, have a look at all the info and buy when you are satisfied you have selected the one to suit your needs. There are numerous grinders at varying prices that will work with a Giotto so there is a wide selection out there. Best of luck - it took me about 8 weeks to make my decision on the grinder and about 10 minutes to decide which machine I will eventually buy. [smiley=beer.gif]

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    Re: Which grinder? When?

    Maxwell

    I have a Giotto and a Macap grinder and the results are superb but do the research and see what deals you can get when purchasing the machine and grinder together.
    You may find you save a few $$$.

    Mal

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    Re: Which grinder? When?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwell link=1209703126/0#3 date=1209706727
    I visited a two showrooms recently (neither one are site sponsors - dont think we have any on Gold Coast??)
    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs Maxwell.....

    We most certainly do have Site Sponsors residing on the Gold Coast and well worth a call from you namely....

    Coffee Roasters Australia, and
    Go Barista

    Both listed on the L/H side of the page with links to their websites and contact details. Give em a call and see what they can do for you (make sure you mention that youre a CoffeeSnob member ;)),

    Cheers :),
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    Hi Maxwell.
    You mentioned "false economy".
    Keep it in mind.
    I was fortunate enough to be able to start with a Macap grinder.
    I didnt want to spend more money later by upgrading.
    This was a significant factor in my decision to spend more now.

    Dont rush into it either as Stan said.

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    I would suggest that when you budget for a setup, put the grinder on the top of your list. There is an incredicle lot of difference as you progress up the quality of grinders.

    With regards to upgrading your equipment, you can almost always recover 80% of what you paid. I have seen 2 year old mazzer minis sell for 550. Thats only a loss of $150-200 after two years.


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    Re: Which grinder? When?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin1 link=1209703126/0#9 date=1209724060
    With regards to upgrading your equipment, you can almost always recover 80% of what you paid.
    Yep, true. I got $135 for my Sunbeam EMO480 8 months after paying $160.

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    Re: Which grinder? When?

    Thank you all for your most useful comments. Much appreciated.

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    Re: Which grinder? When?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stan link=1209703126/0#2 date=1209704677
    Fresh roasted beans will open a world of flavour. *The coffee you buy at supermarkets is as previously stated stale. *I found out the difference and was so surprised I became hooked and that was when I was using a plunger.
    Stan: *Your comment regarding supermarket coffee raises another question:

    Ive already migrated from supermarket coffee to ground coffee from a roaster - there certainly was a significant flavour boost. * *Can I still expect an incremental flavour improvement if I buy beans and grind at home?

    Ciao

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    Re: Which grinder? When?

    Maxwell, another quantum leap.

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    The flavour of coffee ground just before the pour is on a different level to that, then that was ground hours/days before. I think it also has to do with the smell of freshly ground coffee - I think all in all if you really like your coffee you can not go past grinding the bean just prior to the pour. [smiley=happy.gif]

    I consider that when you have the time to enjoy the ritual of coffee this must include the grind of the bean. It is a total taste - smell - sight experience. not that I am into airy fairy things like that at all. ::)

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    Well said Stan.
    The smell of my freshly ground coffee at work attracts them from far and wide.

    The new admin assistant has been hinting for a couple of days so I made her a coffee yesterday morning.
    While I was making it, a girl that sits near me, that has never said a word to me before, appeared hinting very strongly (by asking lots of questions), so I made her one as well.

    Both young ladies were extremely impressed with the coffee.

    Some of the lads have been showing off and making coffee for some of the girls.

    Id like to point out that the girls are chasing me.
    If I was single and 25 years younger..............

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    Indeed - it has never seemed more true to me that youth is wasted on the young. If I knew then about coffee what I knew now I would have been able to impress the girls with a simple latte rather then the four course bloody meals I used to create.

    Still - lambrusco was my friend then too.

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    If I knew then what I know now - I would have been dead by now or at least looking a lot older. ;D ;D



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