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    Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

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    Hi all;

    I took the plunge from long black drinking to espresso style.
    Now waiting for my brand new super jolly to arrive, pairing it with brand new silvia which yet to arrive as well ;D

    The question is what to do with breville bar aroma grinder? My initial thought is keeping it for plunger and vac pots?


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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Quote Originally Posted by rudy link=1217290298/0#0 date=1217290298
    Hi all;

    I took the plunge from long black drinking to espresso style.
    Now waiting for my brand new super jolly to arrive, pairing it with brand new silvia which yet to arrive as well *;D

    The question is what to do with breville bar aroma grinder? My initial thought is keeping it for plunger and vac pots?

    Good setup rudy. Regarding the breville grinder - its for the herbs and spices. I wouldnt even use it for plunger or vac pot unless I was desperate.

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Thanks yeeza, how easy is it to use SJ for bulk grinding?

    I admit SJ is a bit of impulsive buying ::)

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Quote Originally Posted by rudy link=1217290298/0#2 date=1217290943
    Thanks yeeza, how easy is it to use SJ for bulk grinding?

    I admit SJ is a bit of impulsive buying *::)
    Depends how much bulk youre talking about but its fine, with the low forks you can easily get a bowl/bag under it and thwack away.

    p.s. Good impulse buy ;) I think it was more fate though with what you had before.

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Cheers to impulse buying.

    The bulk is more like 1/2 kilo for friends/relatives with no grinder.
    Should be ok.

    I cant wait for that thing to arrive :D

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Not sure about the Super Jolly, but on the side of my mazzer mini it says 50seconds on/50 seconds off.
    I think the SJ can grind about 150g a minute so you wouldnt be able to grind 500g in one go.

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Quote Originally Posted by steve link=1217290298/0#5 date=1217317123
    Not sure about the Super Jolly, but on the side of my mazzer mini it says 50seconds on/50 seconds off.
    I think the SJ can grind about 150g a minute so you wouldnt be able to grind 500g in one go.
    Yeah good point. The SJ is way faster at grinding than the Mini, but even still could be wise to take your time..... actually it probably doesnt make a difference as theyre gonna drink it sub-standard unless they plan to drink all the 500g in the next couple of minutes ;D Are you getting a timed grinder or is it just on/off?

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Quote Originally Posted by steve link=1217290298/0#5 date=1217317123
    Not sure about the Super Jolly, but on the side of my mazzer mini it says 50seconds on/50 seconds off.
    I think the SJ can grind about 150g a minute so you wouldnt be able to grind 500g in one go.
    Hmmm,

    That seems a bit average when you consider that a lot of commercial dosers hold up to 500g or more of ground coffee. With Auto grinders going from scratch they will certainly run longer than this to fill up the Doser Chamber. When I grind coffee for friends or relos with the LSM, the motor runs as long as it takes to grind through 250-500g of coffee and it does this without even getting the slightest bit warm. Perhaps the duty cycle specs for commercial grinders are quite conservative.... :-?

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    So checked out the Mazzer site and they reckon 150-220g a minute. The doser is 280g. I don;t know how long the timer on mine runs for, Ive never maxed it out and let it run....

    update: So i went and cranked it right on and timed it (no beans) and it ran for a minute.

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Last week I used a Mini to make almost 600 coffees over a three day period.

    I dont think there is a need for concern as to whether these types of grinders have the capacity to grind this amount of coffee, they do. My concern would be that the grounds will be hot!

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Quote Originally Posted by cuppacoffee link=1217290298/0#9 date=1217371263
    Last week I used a Mini to make almost 600 coffees over a three day period.

    I dont think there is a need for concern as to whether these types of grinders have the capacity to grind this amount of coffee, they do. *My concern would be that the grounds will be hot!
    Firstly, :o Go the mini!

    And secondly, I agree.

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Thanks for the information guys, best coffee forum ever 8-)

    Judging from the info, I might keep the bar aroma for my other beneficiaries [smiley=evil.gif]

    Quote Originally Posted by YeeZa link=1217290298/0#6 date=1217320333
    Are you getting a timed grinder or is it just on/off?
    Not sure, to be honest I didnt even check the spec, it is just impulsive :P

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Yeah I guess it doesnt really matter, I use mine like an "ON/OFF" switch most of the time anyway. I guess youll know about it if its overflowing ;D

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Jusr curious though, would good grinder make a difference in vacpot or plunger as I thought it only makes difference in espresso machines?

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Yes it would.

    A good grinder is about uniformity of particle size.

    If all the grounds are the same size the flavour extracts evenly.

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    While I agree with TG in the main, I dont believe that grind uniformity is anywhere near as critical when using a plunger. After all, using a plunger soaks the grinds. I wouldnt think theres too much extraction going on there. ;)

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Yes it does........big difference IMO, especially when cupping.

    Uniformity of particles is important, though probably more so for espresso [since the extraction is fast & pressurised], but the bigger difference grinders make in cupping and plungers is down to the fines [or lack thereof].

    Lesser grinders and those with some "play" in their adjustment produce fines [dust]. This dust will make your plunger cloudy muddy and more bitter..................

    I reckon this is one of the key differentiators between the Aeropress and a French Press: ie the Aeropres is much less fussy about grind.

    Anyway, you now have an SJ and a Breville: try it out and let us know what you think.


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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Thanks for defending me reubster.

    Dennis I know you werent disagreeing with me but I just want to point out I didnt say "critical" just that it would make a difference.

    The next question would obviously be "how much of a difference?".
    You were just one step ahead of me. ;)

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Quote Originally Posted by reubster link=1217290298/0#16 date=1217387225
    Yes it does........big difference IMO, especially when cupping.

    Uniformity of particles is important, though probably more so for espresso [since the extraction is fast & pressurised], but the bigger difference grinders make in cupping and plungers is down to the fines [or lack thereof].

    Lesser grinders and those with some "play" in their adjustment produce fines [dust]. This dust will make your plunger cloudy muddy and more bitter..................

    I reckon this is one of the key differentiators between the Aeropress and a French Press: ie the Aeropres is much less fussy about grind.

    Anyway, you now have an SJ and a Breville: try it out and let us know what you think.

    Gee reubster, how did cupping and the AeroPress get extrapolated from a question about vacpots and plunger?

    a) I was referring to grinders, not spice helicopters, and lesser grinders really arent much better. Though I do know that lots of people do enjoy those suspended particles from a plunger,
    b) I have totally the opposite view in regard to the AeroPress - the better the grind quality the better the result,
    c) TG, I wasnt having a go at you, but I read "yes it would" as a fairly definitive statement.

    Anyway, sorry to take it off topic. Like reubster said, try it for yourself and let us know.

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    I didnt take it as having a go Dennis.
    You just have to remember my style - succint.
    Sometimes it comes across as vague or lacking in detail.
    I think I answered the question...definitively.
    I think you answered a different one. ;)

    To get back on topic - sell the Breville.

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Thanks for replies people. I have been using Bar Aroma for awhile, on vac pot, plunger and aeropress. Bar Aroma is a burr grinder, and so far this is the best grinder I have until the SJ.

    For lack of comparison, I was happily drinking coffee from all three methods.

    I still have to wait for SJ to arrive, then Ill do blind test on wife ::)

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    I drink plunger at my parents with an old hand grinder. Its quite drinkable but leaves a lot more sediment than with the mini.

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    Re: Upgraded from Breville to Super Jolly

    Well, Ive completed several comparos with a Rocky and my current LSM at Drip, Plunger, Moka Pot and Espresso brewing methods and without doubt, you can definitely taste a significant improvement in the quality of the cup. I think this topic has arisen several times over the years with similar outcomes being noted. The quality of the grinder affects the quality in the cup regardless of the brewing method used....

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