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    Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    A few days ago I half heartedly put my Sunbean 0480 grinder up for sale with the view to buying a Rocky to "match" my Silvia.

    Im the kinda bloke who tries to do as much research as possible before out laying lotsa dosh on stuff so I hit google and tracked down hundreds of pages of info and reviews on various grinders.

    Seems as if the Mazzer mini has an incredibly good reputation for reliability and superb build quality.
    I also found an incredible number of reviews/posts/threads dealing with a seemingly fairly common issue with the Rocky in that a lot of them need teflon tape wrapped around the burr carrier threads to stabilise the grind consistancy. This kinda put me off the Rocky a bit coz it wasnt just a handful of people who posted about it. Lotsa people seem to be having this issue.
    And I already own a grinder that is only just barely stable enough for espresso.

    Anyway the outcome of this discovery has been that I went looking for a grinder that has an impeccable reputation for build quality and reliability.
    My searches all led to the Mazzer mini.

    So it costs quite a few bucks more than a Rocky. I can live with that as I see it as a long term investment, but it will take me a while to save up for it.
    In the mean time Im happy to continue using my 0480.

    Question is, is the Mazzer mini too much grinder for home use?

    Should I look at other options?

    Your educated input will be greatly appreciated :)

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    No...just get it mate and dont worry about updraditis again.

    Cheers

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    No its not too much grinder.

    Yes look at a Macap.

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    No its not too much grinder.

    Yes look at the Super Jolly ;D

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Im also considering a step up, not because my current grinder (Lux conical burr jobbie built into my Lelit) doesnt do a good job - it does- but mainly because of the issue of having a solid, longer lasting unit (thats also a bit QUIETER and quicker).

    One issue you should consider is whether you want a doser or doserless grinder. With my use pattern - mostly 1-2 coffees at a time (only occasionally more) - Im more than happy sticking with a doserless, as I feel they are far better suited to most domestic grind-on-demand situations. My limited playing with dosers has not impressed on me my need for a dosered model.

    You currently use a Sunbeam doserless - does that system work for you? Probably playing with both types is the way to go before committing.

    In that regard, whilst Mazzer and Macap have both made their doserless grinder options more expensive than the doser models, Compak have made their K3 doserless model a cheaper option (K3 Touch - a direct competitor with the MM and M4/5 and a step up from the Rocky). Definitely worth consideration IMO.


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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Gronk

    I have just upgraded from the sunbeam to a Mazzer Mini - Mainly because I saw Chris from TalkCoffee had a second hand one for sale and I got a good price.

    It definitely was an adjustment in terms of dialling it in, getting used to the doser and the fact that I find it still throws some coffee to the left.

    It is a serious step up from the sunbeam. I have no regrets.
    What I really like is the adjustability and the fact that I can really tweak it. Just do it!!!

    BTW - I have kept my sunbeam for filter coffee and potentially decaf.

    Ben


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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    I had a feeling Id be opening a can of worms asking "Should I look at other options" :D

    Yes Ive looked at the Macaps and they are on the short list. :)

    Super jolly is a wee bit too much I think ;)

    The only real downside I can see is the doser. I dont really want or need one. Im perfectly happy grinding straight into the basket. A doser for me seems like a pointless attachment, although Ive never used one.

    Anyway thanks for the opinions so far

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    The doser gives you more flexibility.

    In a situation where you need to make more than 1 or 2 coffees in a session you can grind more than one at a time (I have 2 PFs) and the doser also breaks up clumping if theres a bit of static about due to the weather.

    The doser tends to be less messy than a doserless because it catches all the grinds first.

    I have a Sunbeam 0450, which may be an extreme example of messy doserless but my dosered Macap or dosered MDF leave it for dead in the cleanliness stakes.

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    I upgraded from an 0480 to a Mazzer Mini about 18 months ago and havent looked back. I also only make coffee for myself and wondered whether I really needed the doser, the upshot is that the doser is just there, not in the way, and comes in handy occasionally. Every now and then I think about how nice it would be to have a HX machine, and I may well get one in the end. The Mazzer stays, however, I have never thought about upgrading her. :)

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Hi gronk, the mazzer is a great grinder, though like anything, you can always find fault with it.

    Since you arent fussed on the doser, can I suggest a K3 Touch - theyre much cheaper than the mazzer and a nice piece of equipment that I think might match your needs...

    http://www.talkcoffee.com.au/equipment/grinder-compak-k3-touch.php

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    I love my mazzer. Im yet to come across a grinder that is as much a pleasure to dial in and give consistent shots.
    Im also a fan of dozers. its nice to be able to start it grinding while your heating up cups cleaning portafilters etc, then you can just dose and go. I originally bought an iberital challenge which is a good grinder and makes exellent espresso, but is no where near as nice to use.

    I think there is something to be said for the time saved with the portafilter staying warm in the machine while your grinding. with domestic grinders like the mini that arnt particularly fast. some people might think that this is somewhat fastidious though

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    I upgraded to a Mazzer from Sunbeam and I had it dialed in within 4 shots. I have not regretted the upgrade and my son has already asked for it to go to him in the will. The difference in taste from the coffee was remarkable - as I compared the two different shots from both grinders at the same time. I did this mainly because I found it hard to believe that a grinder would make much difference to the taste. The coffee from the mazzer gave a more complex flavour. I was sold.

    But I would imagine that any of the grinders in this price bracket would deliver the same benefit to the taste. Have fun.

    Fancy doubting the experts on this web site. ::)

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    I had a Rocky doserless...nice grinder especially with a tune up.

    I love the Mazzer with doser though - dont think i would go back to a doserless now.

    Cheers

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Currently reading pages and pages ..... and pages of stuff about Compaks and Macaps......

    Quote Originally Posted by Stan link=1219119277/0#11 date=1219132614
    Fancy doubting the experts on this web site. ::)
    Never doubted for a moment.
    But by reading lotsa stuff in as many different places as I can spreads the opinions out.

    I stumbled across CS while searching up info on the Sunbeam 6910, and after exhaustive research ended up with a Silvia, which Id never heard of before :)

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Gday g62...

    If you dont think a Doser Grinder is going to suit you then there are quite a few excellent Doserless jobs out there to choose from.

    My pick from a performance, bang for buck perspective would be the Compak K3 Touch at roughly $500. The best thing to do though, is to hold back until youre able to dive into the big smoke for some hands-on demos with one or more of our Site Sponsors. At least that way, you can be sure that your decision is based on YOUR personal experience.... Cant beat that. 8-)

    Cheers,
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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Im in the same dilemma as you gronk62, although I currently have a tweaked Rocky to go with my VBM, and very nice it is too. The tweaking was actually very easy to do.

    Because I change beans often (usually every cup!), there are also factors like leftover grounds in the exit chute, and popcorning to consider.

    Since I rarely make more than 1 or 2 cups (all double ristrettos), a doser is not an advantage as far as I can determine. Height and size also matters, although small hoppers are available. With my bean changes it may pay me to make a miniscule hopper.

    Currently Im in the process of setting up a tasting. Ill take in my Rocky and try it against a Robur! If the difference is substantial to me then Ill consider a Mazzer Mini, a Compak, or a Macap as an upgrade and test them.

    I had a long talk with Chris from TalkCoffee and he was most informative, but Im still undecided. Its funny I cant decide, cause the money is not really an issue, Ive paid close to Mini Electronic money for a pocket knife more than once!

    Let us know how you do, what you decide, and the results in your cup.

    Greg

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1219119277/0#14 date=1219138714
    Gday g62...

    My pick from a performance, bang for buck perspective would be the Compak K3 Touch at roughly $500. The best thing to do though, is to hold back until youre able to dive into the big smoke for some hands-on demos with one or more of our Site Sponsors. At least that way, you can be sure that your decision is based on YOUR personal experience.... Cant beat that. 8-)

    Cheers,
    Mal.
    Just read this cool comparison of the Mazzer Mini vs Compak K-3 Elite http://www.coffeetamper.com.au/kb/reviews/mini-k3/
    It mentions the Mazzer having a better burr adjustment than the Compak and as I change grinds between single and double baskets every day, thats important to me.

    Hands on demos would be a great idea. Then I could get up close and personal with the mechanical workings of each machine to visually see any shortcomings for myself.

    I remember when Harley Davidson released the new Twin cam 88 engine back in 99. (I rode various Harleys for several years) I attended a workshop where the tech disassembled and reassembled the engine in front of us.
    I pointed to the cam chain tensioner, and cam bearing assembly and said there would be big issues with that because of its poor design.
    This went down like a lead balloon and he assured me that Harley had done tens of 1000s of miles testing the new engine under all conditions.

    Within a year there was the first of several recalls on both the issues I pointed out.
    They still havent got it right to this day even after several redesigns.

    My point is I will hopefully be able to use some mechanical understanding to choose a good grinder now that Im armed with a better understanding of the tasks it has to perform than I had when I bought my Sunbeam. Two months ago I thought any grinder that didnt use a spinny chopper blade was perfectly adequate to grind coffee.
    Man do I know better know!

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Quote Originally Posted by GregWormald link=1219119277/0#15 date=1219139182
    Let us know how you do, what you decide, and the results in your cup.
    Oh Ill be keepin yas up to date alright. ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by YeeZa link=1219119277/0#3 date=1219120643
    No its not too much grinder.

    Yes look at the Super Jolly ;D
    ;D second that too. Bought SJ to replace breville bar aroma ::)

    Bigger burr than mini.

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Quote Originally Posted by GregWormald link=1219119277/0#15 date=1219139182
    Im in the same dilemma as you gronk62, although I currently have a tweaked Rocky to go with my VBM, and very nice it is too. The tweaking was actually very easy to do.

    Because I change beans often (usually every cup!), there are also factors like leftover grounds in the exit chute, and popcorning to consider.

    Since I rarely make more than 1 or 2 cups (all double ristrettos), a doser is not an advantage as far as I can determine. Height and size also matters, although small hoppers are available. With my bean changes it may pay me to make a miniscule hopper.

    Currently Im in the process of setting up a tasting. Ill take in my Rocky and try it against a Robur! If the difference is substantial to me then Ill consider a Mazzer Mini, a Compak, or a Macap as an upgrade and test them.

    I had a long talk with Chris from TalkCoffee and he was most informative, but Im still undecided. Its funny I cant decide, cause the money is not really an issue, Ive paid close to Mini Electronic money for a pocket knife more than once!

    Let us know how you do, what you decide, and the results in your cup.

    Greg
    if u conclude that the robur beats the rocky - then just get a robur for goodness sake man! especially considering you have paid CRAZY CRAZY money for a blade... *:D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1219119277/0#7 date=1219126472
    The doser gives you more flexibility.

    In a situation where you need to make more than 1 or 2 coffees in a session you can grind more than one at a time (I have 2 PFs) and the doser also breaks up clumping if theres a bit of static about due to the weather.

    TG - is there really such a rush for coffees at your joint that youre having to fill 2 handles at the one time, leaving one to sit and cool down while you pull the first shot? man you oughta start charging or something
    "caffe TG" ;)

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    Hi Greg,

    I honestly think that the Macap M4D will be the best grinder for your requirements...

    Since we spoke, I have news of a small batch of chrome micrometric ones.

    Ill be collecting them on Friday...

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee link=1219119277/20#21 date=1219145352
    Hi Greg,

    I honestly think that the Macap M4D will be the best grinder for your requirements...

    Since we spoke, I have news of a small batch of chrome micrometric ones.

    Ill be collecting them on Friday...

    Chris
    Gronk, get on this. From what youve mentioned, sounds like its right up your alley.

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Quote Originally Posted by YeeZa link=1219119277/20#22 date=1219150184
    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee link=1219119277/20#21 date=1219145352
    Hi Greg,

    I honestly think that the Macap M4D will be the best grinder for your requirements...

    Since we spoke, I have news of a small batch of chrome micrometric ones.

    Ill be collecting them on Friday...

    Chris
    Gronk, get on this. From what youve mentioned, sounds like its right up your alley.
    Itll be a while till I can save up enough money to buy any of these more expensive grinders.

    Looks like a good gadget though :)

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Quote Originally Posted by GregWormald link=1219119277/0#15 date=1219139182
    Im in the same dilemma ........Since I rarely make more than 1 or 2 cups (all double ristrettos).........
    Currently Im in the process of setting up a tasting. Ill take in my Rocky and try it against a Robur! If the difference is substantial to me then Ill consider a Mazzer Mini, a Compak, or a Macap as an upgrade and test them.Greg
    Be interested to hear how you go Greg. I have been tossing these buzz saws around for a while also. Probably leaning towards a Macap. Why?

    Cheers

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Well, I tried my Rocky against a Mazzer Major and the Major was a major improvement (sorry ;) ). Even as a flat burr grinder rather than conical the ristretto from the Major was sweeter and more flavourful, with less bitterness. Unfortunately, the big Mazzers are really big! and much too large for my kitchen--the (small) Major is over 2 feet tall!

    I had a chat to the barista and he said that however much he likes coffee he finds the differences between all the Mazzers to be subtle, not like the difference between the Rocky and the Major.

    I also had another talk with Chris (Talk Coffee) and decided to go the Macap M4D since all the feedback is that it matches the Mazzer Minis in grinding, and is more to the configuration that suits my coffee consumption.

    Chris says it should be in Adelaide on Monday, so give me a couple of days to set it up right and do some comparisons, and Ill report back.
    No matter what happens, there will be a grinder for sale within a fortnight or so. Keep tuned to find out which!

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    Hi There,
    Im currently in a similar predicament, Mazzer mini?
    waking up some mornings all I think about are grinders and which one to get??? Im looking at the Mazzer mini and the Macap M4, but dont know anymore. Every time I make a decision I find something good about the other grinder and vice versa. Seriously, This is doing my head in!

    I have used MMs before so I dont know if this is swaying my decision a little, help
    Rancho.

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Quote Originally Posted by rancho link=1219119277/20#26 date=1219324460
    Im looking at the Mazzer mini and the Macap M4, but dont know anymore. Every time I make a decision I find something good about the other grinder and vice versa.
    Har har, good to see that its not just me in this predicament!
    I am also choosing between these two grinders.
    Funny how you can research stuff for so long you end up re-discovering the first reviews you found and going through them again. Anyhow, I look forward to seeing what you end up choosing.
    Personally, I am leaning slightly towards the Macap because it sweeps cleaner and one review said it might be a smidgen quieter, but there is not much between them. Macap easier to adjust but harder to reference where you are.
    The more I read, the more I am convinced that Id be happy with either.

    I am also considering the Domobar Levetta to go with it which I see that you have. Do you like yours?

    Andy

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    I dont understand what is meant by "harder to reference where you are".

    I have a M5 and have a pencil mark on the collar for reference.
    Its been there for over a year now without rubbing off.

    Quote Originally Posted by roknee link=1219119277/20#20 date=1219145063
    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1219119277/0#7 date=1219126472
    The doser gives you more flexibility.

    In a situation where you need to make more than 1 or 2 coffees in a session you can grind more than one at a time (I have 2 PFs) and the doser also breaks up clumping if theres a bit of static about due to the weather.

    TG - is there really such a rush for coffees at your joint that youre having to fill 2 handles at the one time, leaving one to sit and cool down while you pull the first shot? man you oughta start charging or something
    "caffe TG" ;)
    Sorry roknee, this thread moved pretty quick and I missed your post.

    It was a suggestion, but I do have 2 PFs and have used them both with large gatherings, which thankfully dont happen to often.

    The second PF sits on the cup warmer and I have considered a mod to sit it on the group head. ;)

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Quote Originally Posted by newbie link=1219119277/20#27 date=1219330283
    I am also considering the Domobar Levetta to go with it which I see that you have. Do you like yours?
    It has a boiler and an E61 group, what more could a ristretto/espresso/doppio type person possibly need? 8-)

    Cheers


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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Quote Originally Posted by PhilMac link=1219119277/20#29 date=1219401972
    Quote Originally Posted by newbie link=1219119277/20#27 date=1219330283
    I am also considering the Domobar Levetta to go with it which I see that you have. Do you like yours?
    It has a boiler and an E61 group, what more could a ristretto/espresso/doppio type person possibly need? *8-)

    Cheers
    Mazzer Robur ;)

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    Good point.

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    Newbie and Rancho,

    I was in the same predicament as you guys not so long ago. I ended up with the Mazzer Mini. Heres a link to the thread I started back then that I just updated...might be useful...
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1204112340

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    Re: Mazzer mini. Too much grinder for home use?

    Quote Originally Posted by PhilMac link=1219119277/20#29 date=1219401972
    Quote Originally Posted by newbie link=1219119277/20#27 date=1219330283
    I am also considering the Domobar Levetta to go with it which I see that you have. Do you like yours?
    It has a boiler and an E61 group, what more could a ristretto/espresso/doppio type person possibly need? *8-)
    Hi newbie,
    The levetta is absolutely wonderful, this is a definite recommendation and others will shout that out too. As a espresso only drinker this was very easy to decide and I couldnt possibly need any more of a machine,*you wont regret it. When doing milk based drinks there is a little wait for the steamer but this is still very much acceptable.


    Thanks for the thread javabeen, iv been away for a couple of days and it looks like Iv missed a few threads that were just up my ally, cheers.

    Still undecided,
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    Hi newbie,
    The levetta is absolutely wonderful, this is a definite recommendation and others will shout that out too. As a espresso only drinker this was very easy to decide and I couldnt possibly need any more of a machine, you wont regret it. When doing milk based drinks there is a little wait for the steamer but this is still very much acceptable.
    Hey Rancho,
    Thanks for your glowing recommendation on the Levetta. I am now sold on this machine *:) Its just a matter of timing and actually parting with the hard earned cash. :(

    Javabeen,
    Cheers for the link to the grinder thread. It was very good reading.

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    Great to hear newbie. Oh, and you cant go wrong with the Levetta. Just make sure you pair it up with a suitable quality grinder like the MM or Macap.

    Happy brewing and grinding. :-)



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