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    First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    So I picked up my starter pack on Friday containing 4 different 500g bags of greens.

    Saturday I bought up a Crazy popper from the Breville outlet store up the road.

    Saturday night I pulled apart a really cheap thermos mug to use the stainless for a chimney.

    All set for roasting.





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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    I did two roasts so I would end up with about 150-200g of beans.

    I didnt have a stopwatch, a thermometer, or a funky vacuum powered bean cooler... But damn - It was fun!!!

    Basing my timing off my (analogue) watch, both roasts took about 3-4 minutes to get to the start of first crack. And I pulled both at about 8-9 minutes when I *thought* I could hear some more cracking just starting. Cooled them between two metal pans under a fan.

    The result looks pretty good to my untrained eyes - And they are now resting in a vacuum bag salvaged from my last bag of Mecca beans. Cant wait to test!!!



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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    sweet as bro, looking good. will have to come down for a cup or 2.
    will have to get a temp probe to plug into the lappy and get a program to record time and temp. i will have a look for u
    (BTW. no credit sorry)

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Good looking roast for maiden effort Piccolo, I hope they taste as good as they look!! :) :)

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    Ok. So couldnt wait - 18 hours was my limit.

    I pulled a shot at the same grind setting as Ive ben using for some Campos beans that are about 2 weeks old.

    It came out real quick - 9-11 seconds - But it was all crema before it started to separate.

    Tasted ok. Not a lot of flavours that I could identify, but a bit of bitterness. Not sure if that was me or the coffee though.

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Yes I agree it is a good looking roast
    Well done PiccoloLatte

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Well done on your first roasts.
    My first popper effort resulted in charcoal ;D

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    ;D ;D I was worried that mine might become charcoal.

    In fact I wasnt sure if I was even hearing second crack or not.

    I remember telling one of the guys at my local cafe that I was going to start roasting and he said I would most certainly burn a few. I guess I still have that to look forward to then.

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    If you can already discern SC then you may not make charcoal at all.

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Excellent first outcome Piccolo... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    You should have seen the results of my first attempt; charcoal doesnt begin to describe its appearance :o... Look forward to your impressions in the cup as the batch develops over the next few days.

    Happy roasting mate... :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 754C46464A494A6944515140250 link=1241318448/4#4 date=1241322488
    Ok. So couldnt wait - 18 hours was my limit.

    I pulled a shot at the same grind setting as Ive ben using for some Campos beans that are about 2 weeks old.

    It came out real quick - 9-11 seconds - But it was all crema before it started to separate.

    Tasted ok. *Not a lot of flavours that I could identify, but a bit of bitterness. Not sure if that was me or the coffee though. *

    Would suggest it would be more of an Acidic than Bitter... * Then again... Your the person on the spot..


    Problem is the bug keeps biting and once bitten, you can not leave alone..

    Welcome to the Roasting Conundrum - Do I let it sit or dont I, Do I try something different or stay with the same profile, Why am I now getting something different ?

    WHY did I start *this process... *I was to get easer *:-[ ::)

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    how did the roast taist after 48hrs?

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    Better - It was better than all other beans I have previously bought (with the exception of really fresh stuff from a couple of sydney roasters).

    I see why everyone loves roasting now!

    My main frustration is now that I gave away my Cafe Roma machine with the arrival and plumbing of my BFC, but I need to tweak its brew pressure before I can even get a decent cup out of it. So Ive wasted most of the rest of my stash before realising that brew pressure was the problem rather than me. :-?

    Ive also still got a long way to go on the milk steaming... The steam pressure gives me very little time to adjust my technique for microfoam.

    So many variables.... so little time.

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Quote Originally Posted by 78414B4B47444764495C5C4D280 link=1241318448/12#12 date=1242090373
    I see why everyone loves roasting now!
    Which is why we all encourage people to have a go! Great results and a lot of fun in both learning and experimenting.

    I really like your stainless mug flue. One size fits all with the taper of it... nice idea that Im sure will be reused by other popper roasting CSrs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 78414B4B47444764495C5C4D280 link=1241318448/12#12 date=1242090373
    So many variables
    Yep. That is the challenge.

    Most of all, remember to enjoy the journey.

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Yep good job.

    I managed to modify my Crazy Popper out to 15 minute roasts.
    Drop me a PM and Ill give you some ideas so that as you get more roasts under your belt you can use them as you see fit.

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Thanks Mal, I am already enjoying the journey.

    TG - I have read some of your popper mod posts before so I have a number of ideas. I will keep it in mind though once Ive got a few more roasts under my belt.
    I was maybe a bit too adventurous for my first - blowing a fan real close to the popper; moving it away when I was worried about not hitting second crack at all; stirring beans at the start; covering the chimney when worried about it being too cold from the fan; sitting the popper on a clothes horse for good air supply to the base...

    Stay tuned for more roasting posts though!

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    mmm give away roma?

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    No, shes merely gone back to her original home.

    Was always going to be a loaner...

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Tried my fitrst roast today in a popper....not quite sure if I have done it right ???

    The lovely Kirby Berlin gave me a couple hundred grams of her special 28 day import so I thought an opportune time to break out the popper.

    OK, here goe:

    Turn popper on, get it warm. Drop beans in, first crack just on 2 minutes, settled slightly by 3 minutes, started second crack at 4 minutes and seemed to be an awfeully dark roast.

    Hell of a lot of smoke, so killed the roast and transferrred stright into bowl and started turning it to cool.

    Let the beans to sit for about helf hour before moving to vacuum bag, but looking at them they seem to be a little oily.

    Did I:

    Overroast them?

    Not roast them enough? 4 minutes in total seems awfully short...

    Thoguht?

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    The only way to tell if they are roasted the way YOU like them, is to try the coffee from them.

    I loved my first popper roasts, but soon wanted to slow the whole process down by a factor or 2 or 3, both for the development of flavour, and for control issues.

    A search here and on the web soon showed that there were a variety of ways: popper modifications, a corretto, or buy a coffee roaster. The size of the possible roast was also an influence.

    In the end I bought a Gene Café, and remain much happier with my own roasts than most commercial roasts, and I have a much wider variety of beans from which to choose--thanks to the Bean Bay.

    Let us know how the coffee tastes, and how you go.

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Quote Originally Posted by 353D343A2D2D2A36580 link=1241318448/18#18 date=1242472007
    Tried my fitrst roast today in a popper....not quite sure if I have done it right ???
    Good to hear youve done one.

    I did my second the other night, two batches of guatemala huehuetenango (thanks again andy).

    I dont let my popper warm up before the first one. Dont see the need - but thats just me. I have a fan blowing on it all the time, and I do it at night when the ambient air temp is cooler.

    A quick roast like that doesnt surprise me though.

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F363C3C303330133E2B2B3A5F0 link=1241318448/20#20 date=1242544987
    I have a fan blowing on it all the time, and I do it at night when the ambient air temp is cooler.
    Thats what i have been doing , and i have actually had a few 15min roasts in my popper. i tried some of my 6 day old Sumatran Indo last night, and it was pretty good, it actually had a choclatey/sweet flavour as it was described to me when i bought it green.
    I usually leave it for 30secs to 1min after 2nd crack, as i put them into the cooling bowl they are still crackling. I still haven`t had any smoke from my roasts, is this normal??
    I now have a s/s mug as a chimney.
    Thanks for the idea.

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    No worries - but im pretty sure I saw it somewhere here previously so I cant take all the credit.

    Yeah, mine have been crackling when I tip them out too. Ive always thought this was a good thing as I knew I hadnt gone all the way through 2nd crack.

    I dont know about the smoke - I havent got any noticeable smoke either. It could be because of the fan.

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    The amount of smoke you get will also depend on the qty of beans you are roasting each time.
    I do 500gm batches in my correto and yes there is a considerable amount of smoke but the fan cooling the heat gun helps to dissipate it quickly.

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Not surprised at the "bitterness" from the Madikeri in a popper - I did two roasts from that batch - one undrinkable and the other very harsh, bitter and with an aftertaste that hung around well after its invitation had expired. For the third attempt I took them to just over 1st crack (214C) and upped the grind considerably. Not my favourite bean so far, must say - has anyone with a temperature variable roaster got good results ?

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Its great fun isnt it!
    I learnt a big lesson from the experts around here, and it was so helpful, and its prolly a good idea for anyone starting to roast their own....sacrifice one batch of beans, say 80g for the popper or 150g for a Coretto, roast till it is almost charcoal, you will learn to identify the FC, then RFC, then SC.....then charcoal! it will help you hear what the second crack sounds like in relation to FC, and you will learn how long it can go for too, !BE CAREFUL NOT TO START A FIRE! (They will burst into flames if left too long

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Quote Originally Posted by 52567069696C73646B050 link=1241318448/25#25 date=1244184559
    sacrifice one batch of beans
    I disagree with this approach.
    If you read here what to expect theres no need to sacrifice a batch.
    My first popper batch went as expected.
    I stopped about 30 seconds into SC.

    Why did I need to go further and see the batch ruined?
    I hope to never see that happen.

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    Fair nuff TG,

    Ill still recommend that new-starters do this though as it is a quick and dirty way to gain a first hand understanding of all of the milestones through a roast and the tell-tales that go along with that. Much easier to experience all of that first hand in my view rather than have to keep going back and forth trying to squeeze out explanations for everything second hand.... 8-)

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    You will learn about FC without have to charcoal a roast.
    Youll hear RFC without having to charcoal a roast.
    If you are attentive enough youll hear SC without having to charcoal a roast.
    Go a bit further and youll hear RSC without having to charcoal a roast.

    I still dont understand whats to be learned from pushing it any further.
    I know if I do, it will turn to undrinkable charcoal.
    I dont need to see it with my own eyes to believe it.

    Morbid curiosity may make me do it one day to see if the beans will indeed burst into flames as stated above. But other than that...why bother?

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    I agree TG. You only get so many beans for your dollar. So why waste them unnecessarily?

    I heard FC and SC in my first ever roast. I guessed it was SC, and was right. Plus, SC was easier to hear when I turned off the popper and poured the beans into a bowl (a few random snaps).

    About 30 mins ago I roasted some of the DRC Matadi.
    I did three roasts of increasing size. Just because I thought I could. The last was 1.5 of the standard breville scoops. I would guess 100-130g. I base that on getting a full 250g bag out of the 3 roasts and the last was the biggest.

    Took all three to the first snaps of SC. No worries 8-)

    No charcoal for me!

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Well, for me (being of a very curious frame of mind), I wanted to know what happens at all stages of a roast, not just the beginnings of or early stages of Second Crack(SC). I also (popper) roasted small batches of beans to all stages of a roast as per the pictorial explanation provided in Sweet Marias website and then cupped the results later on; with the exception of the really burnt beans.

    I cant see anything wrong with wanting to personally experience, observe and record every stage of the roasting process. It all adds to ones knowledge base and helps, not hinder ones complete understanding of the process.

    Fair enough if you dont want to do this, I did and so did a lot of others when I used to frequent the alt.coffee usenet group years ago. One way or another, I learned an awful lot about many aspects of the roasting process and many other things.

    Each to their own... 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 506C716A606176636B60040 link=1241318448/26#26 date=1244193263
    If you read here what to expect theres no need to sacrifice a batch.
    My first popper batch went as expected.
    I stopped about 30 seconds into SC.

    Why did I need to go further and see the batch ruined?
    I hope to never see that happen. *
    TG, this approach presumes there are no variables, and yet there are. *What if I were to say these beans taste best at RSC?

    You cant smell the aroma from watching a video, and you cant see the size and colour transformation from a description.

    I think there were a lot of people who told Columbus that they didnt have to sail a boat over the horizon, to know it would drop off the edge of the World.

    Sure, a little guidance helps, but ultimately, if you do everything the same; dont deviate from tradition or stretch the boundaries, then life, roasting coffee, and the results of both will be mundane. *

    I know I dont want to live my life like that. *

    The other thing is that people keep bragging that one of the main reasons for home roasting is how much money they save. *Well, I think going through the *whole process* and sacrificing a few beans is not a waste, but an investment.

    Im with Mal...
    Quote Originally Posted by 406D696568040 link=1241318448/27#27 date=1244196187
    Ill still recommend that new-starters do this though as it is a quick and dirty way to gain a first hand understanding of all of the milestones through a roast and the tell-tales that go along with that. Much easier to experience all of that first hand in my view rather than have to keep going back and forth trying to squeeze out explanations for everything second hand...
    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1B36323E335F0 link=1241318448/30#30 date=1244204726
    Each to their own
    Agreed. Hence my putting forward my point of view.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1B3A3131362C5F0 link=1241318448/31#31 date=1244205122
    sacrificing a few beans is not a waste, but an investment.
    I didnt say "waste".
    "Ruined" I suppose equates to the same thing, but it wasnt the cost I was worried about.

    I agree there are variables, but I did a lot of reading before my first attempt and knew what to expect, including variables.

    Was I lucky that my first batch went as hoped or did my research and ability to translate that into actions play a big part in the result?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1B3A3131362C5F0 link=1241318448/31#31 date=1244205122
    What if I were to say these beans taste best at RSC?
    That doesnt mean they arent drinkable before SC.

    My point was that my first roast was drinkable (nice actually).
    Subsequent roasts got better as I managed to mod my popper to roast the beans better.
    I learned as I went but never produced a bad roast.
    Some were better than others and I learned from that too.

    Also, "better" is subjective.
    I roasted some beans for a guy at work that could tell when Id had a problem with getting the beans into my cooler.
    It was my first corretto batch and I dropped an oven mitt from memory and took an extra 10 - 20 seconds above my usual time to commence cooling.
    He mentioned that batch wasnt as good as all the previous ones so I consulted my notes and saw the difference.
    The next batch I did for him I made sure did not roast for too long and he was very pleased with the result.
    I must say that I couldnt taste the difference. The thing was he could.

    So learn, learn, learn.

    Ive roasted a lot of the PNG Kimel as you know.
    I used to go 30 seconds into SC.
    Everyone liked it and I had a profile to stick to.
    About a year ago I tried stopping the roasts just before or on SC and found I like it more that way.

    So Ive learned a lot, changed the way I do things, learned some more
    (but still havent charcoaled a roast ;) *).




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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Ive learnt heaps doing the popper roasts.

    I will learn even more as I do more of them, and I will probably get a coretto up and running at some point.

    Im not saying Ill never end up with charcoal beans as a result of trying a new roast profile. But I am saying I wont do it on purpose.

    Im tasting last nights effort in a few minutes. Then every day or so until I run out of it. Thats the sort of experimentation I like!

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    OK, settle boys, gee ya cant get away with much around here!, i just mentioned it because for the sake of 90 cents worth of beans, it taught me a lot, i must of worded the original post badly, im hardly a source for advice this early in my coffee addiction career! i did say "almost charcoal", anyway back on topic.....

    ps cheers for backing me up mal!!, you gave me the tip in the first place! ;)

    let us know how

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    I had a laugh... ;D ;D

    Im not suggesting you turn the first roast of each new bean type into a BBQ... Just the first ever couple of roasts you do. Probably equates to two batches of about 80g each..... Ive wasted way more than this by incorrectly roasting untried beans after the first couple of roasts - and a couple of those nearly caught fire because I wasnt as attentive as I should have been. Wasnt intentional.
    The other batches I wasted in the early days was purely based upon a lack of knowledge, the results of which tasted terrible in the cup and had to be tossed. Like we are always reinforcing here though, keep records of all the roasts you do so as to avoid poor end results as well as the good ones... ;)

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    Re: First popper roast - India Madikeri A

    Behmor Coffee Roaster
    Most of my research was done here on CS.
    IMO that played a huge part in my ability to get it right the first time without having to sacrifice any [s]virgins[/s] beans.



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