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    FRUSTRATING FIRST ROAST!

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    Hi guys....have a headache over my roasting efforts!
    Using a popcorn maker with side vents. Silvia with Sunbeam EM0480.
    Had the grind set to the finest setting and extractions were generally VERY FAST with a glass full of creama which disappears moments later to nothing. No body, coffee colur is light brown, creama is yellow. They have been degassing for about 20hrs. i was dying to try them. didnt think they would come out this bad.

    When using Columbian the grind is very yellow as is the panama special. I finished roasting the columbians after the 1st crack to try a lighter roast. I previously did another batch which were darker and extractions were much better. Can i reroast the the lighter batch??
    The Brazilian i roasted darker and it comes out a little better.
    The El Salvador Organic is SOOO potent i have to blend it with others to be able to enjoy it but stil lack body and creama.

    Roasting times average about 10-15min.

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    Im on about my third roast, so take what I say with a grain of salt!

    Quote Originally Posted by PhatBoy link=1154851205/0#0 date=1154851205
    ... extractions were generally VERY FAST with a glass full of creama which disappears moments later to nothing. ... They have been degassing for about 20hrs.
    This is exactly what I found with the starter pack Colombian after 24 hrs
    (I roasted up all four last weekend).

    "i was dying to try them. didnt think they would come out this bad."

    Same here, but it seems to be pretty common behaviour after such a
    short time. General wisdom seems to be to wait 2 - 4 days, frustrating
    as that might be.

    "When using Columbian the grind is very yellow as is the panama special."

    I roasted the Colombian very light (beans light brown, yellowish grind),
    and concluded that it needed more. Could never get beyond a woody
    taste and texture.

    "Can i reroast the the lighter batch??"

    I did that last week with the Panama (after noticing that the roast was
    very uneven -- there was a thread about it last week). Put them back in
    the popper and took it past 2nd crack. Seemed to work reasonably well.

    Have fun!




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    Reroasted every batch till they were VERY brown and crackling in the popper. Got a little smoke coming out with a few drops of oil from the beans...look so much better

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    Hey Phatboy! Dont be alarmed weird things happen in this game and normally weirder when you start out ;)
    if your setting is on the finest grind I would be wondering if there may be a need for a further adjustment somehow internally! I dont have that type of grinder but maybe check out the links for that grinder and see what the common ideas are on it.
    I would not reccomend reroasting even if it did sort of turn out all right. I think the bean is progressing through a series of gradual changes as it roasts and then afterwards those changes stop from the pointo ofview of roasting and begin from the point of view of mellowing and degassing- to put them back in is a little bit like putting an iced cake back in the oven because its a little soft in the middle :-/
    Have your tried roasting with a gun and dogbowl? Do try it! Theres a lot more control over the process. Keep a supply going so that you never run out- a few days worth always ready to come out of hibernation!
    But mistakes are common- last week I ruined some colombian by pulling them too soon and they were real lemmony and disgusting! learning curve- damn learning curve ;)
    RH

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayzurhed link=1154851205/0#3 date=1154865668
    I dont have that type of grinder but maybe check out the links for that grinder and see what the common ideas are on it.
    I would not reccomend reroasting even if it did sort of turn out all right. I think the bean is progressing thr
    RH
    Ive got the same grinder. Ive read several posts about the same grinder failing from the get go. Take it back to the store, theyll sort you with a new one.
    Grinding on 16-17(its been raining up here)gets me a 25 sec extraction on a different machine to yours. The finest setting turns out like turkish, and takes for ever!

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    I found that columbian a bit weird as well, yellow/orange/light brown. I figured that I didnt roast it dark enough. It hit first crack faster than others Ive done. On the next batch I will take much further, this one was taken to city roast (just hit a second crack). The sumatran was much better, very even.

    Very limited experience with roasting but something which suprised me was that after 4 days the brazilian beans that I roast tasted much better to me. I sourced other green beans elsewhere.

    Something which I didnt find good was the smoked tea in the CS starter bag, I wanted to get that away from the beans as quickly as possible. Yuk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayzurhed link=1154851205/0#3 date=1154865668
    ...
    I would not reccomend reroasting even if it did sort of turn out all right.
    Yes, agreed, not a recommended procedure. I did it instead of ditching the
    beans, to try to get some insight into what level to roast at next time.
    Sorry if I gave the impression I was making a habit of it!

    What I think *learnt from doing it is that it might be a good idea to take the
    Panamanian to a fairly high roast. Thats what Ill do for the next 120g
    lot. Ill also be trying to figure out why it was difficult (cf other beans)
    to detect the cracks; maybe thats related to the uneveness of the
    roast, in the sense of different colours of beans after a certain time, which
    didnt happen with the other varieties.

    "learning curve- damn learning curve ;)"

    Yes but its fascinating!


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    Quote Originally Posted by LiquidHeaven link=1154851205/0#5 date=1154869119
    I found that columbian a bit weird as well, yellow/orange/light brown. I figured that I didnt roast it dark enough. ...
    Thats exactly what I found, mostly light brown. Will be trying it darker next
    time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatBoy link=1154851205/0#0 date=1154851205
    Hi guys....have a headache over my roasting efforts!
    Using a popcorn maker with side vents. Silvia with Sunbeam EM0480.
    Had the grind set to the finest setting and extractions were generally VERY FAST with a glass full of creama which disappears moments later to nothing. No body, coffee colur is light brown, creama is yellow.
    Out of interest PB,

    What dosing routine are you using and which PF Basket? Could be that you might not be dosing enough coffee per shot :-?

    Quote Originally Posted by PhatBoy link=1154851205/0#0 date=1154851205
    When using Columbian the grind is very yellow as is the panama special.
    This is very strange..... I have never, ever had my coffee exit the grinder as a yellow colour, or are you referring to the crema that results from the pour?

    Mal.

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    Re: FRUSTRATING FIRST ROAST!

    Thanks for the info guys!

    Mal,
    Dosing method is filling an leveling off the single basket on the finest setting the sunbeam will give me. Tamping medium/hard amount of pressure. only have a plastic tamper atm.

    The actual grind of the coffee was almost yellow/orange. looked horrible....

    The reroasted beans are sooooooo much better! Much better extraction about 20 sec...more body and flavour. so even though its not recommended it was 100% improvement on my previous attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatBoy link=1154851205/0#9 date=1154932066
    Dosing method is filling an leveling off the single basket on the finest setting the sunbeam will give me. Tamping medium/hard amount of pressure. only have a plastic tamper atm.
    Its possible that you might not be dosing high enough there PB.... As an alternative method, try dosing your PF Basket to slightly OVER-full, tap on the bench 3-4 times to settle the coffee, dose again to slightly overflowing and then level off with your finger or the handle of your coffee measuring spoon. Tamp lightly and then tap the PF lightly against something solid to remove all loose coffee grains, then tamp again with the usual tamping force. Try this method and let us know if there is any improvement :). You really need to get yourself a good tamper though, the plastic ones just dont cut it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PhatBoy link=1154851205/0#9 date=1154932066
    The actual grind of the coffee was almost yellow/orange. looked horrible....
    This sounds absolutely terrible :o. Id say your roast(s) in this instance was way too short and that the beans hadnt even roasted all the way through. All your coffee should exit the grinder as a rich dark, red-ish brown colour all the way through with the odd fleck of ground chaff here and there. Hate to imagine what brews made with this coffee tasted like..... Yech! Anyway, it sounds like youre nearly there with the results of your re-roasted beans, 20 seconds for a pour isnt too bad at all. If you try the alternative dosing method suggested above its possible you may well achieve 25-30 second pours and be well on your way to achieving the occasional God-Shot ;). All the best,

    Mal.

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    Re: FRUSTRATING FIRST ROAST!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatBoy link=1154851205/0#9 date=1154932066
    Thanks for the info guys!
    <snip>The actual grind of the coffee was almost yellow/orange. looked horrible....
    The talk of yellow/orange reminded me of some Yirgacheffe I roasted when I was getting started. At that stage I hadnt figured out what "burnt" meant, and I didnt want to destroy or waste those great beans. So instead I roasted them to what I thought was right - way too light, very light brown at the end of the roast. Very prominent aniseed flavour - not my cuppa at all ! So I took the heatgun to a batch, and really roasted them into, then past, second crack. Really helped understand when I should stop. And I didnt do things that light again....... SOOOOO if you havent, take a batch WAAAAAY past 2nd crack and throw em away. A small proce to pay in this huge journey. If youre in Sydney and you want to try roasting, Ill GIVE you some beans if you promise to torch them and torch them good.

    Another thing to help judge how your roasting is going (perhaps to highlight if youre going too quick, or not cooling fast enough) is to break a couple of beans open after the roast (not burny burny ow ow immediately after you stop roasting folks - please cool things down !;)). Youre hoping to see the cross-section a relatively even colour, not massively different from the outside to the inside.




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