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    Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

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    Hi All,

    I have a 50th birthday coming up next week and Im eyeing a new roaster as a gift to myself.* Now, I have a tendency to get caught up in the excitement of buying new gear so Im hoping I can get some sensible advice from fellow snobs.* I was initially thinking a new grinder but got talked out of that in another post so in the same vein...

    I built a Corretto and bought a Behmor - will I really be any better off with a Hottop? Or is it just that the grass looks greener on the other side?

    Corretto: I have quantity and control but I dont have a permanent place to leave it so I have to set it up and put it all away each time. Doesnt sound like a big deal but it has gotten annoying over the last couple of years.

    Behmor: Nice and compact but just doesnt have the control I want. Getting a good roast profile is really a bit of a hack (ynow... crack the door open a bit here, burn yourself getting the beans out early to properly cool, etc).

    I use about 300g of roasted beens a week.

    All thoughts greatly appreciated...
    (and for the record my birthday decision is between a roaster or a 3D projector for my home cinema)

    Cheers
    Jeff K

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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

    Buy the projector and drink your coffee while watching movies.

    Check this one out:

    avhub.com.au/index.php/Product-Reviews/Sound+Image/sharp-xv-z17000-3d-av-projector/Page-2/All-Pages.html

    I always have trouble chooseing between coffee and Home Theatre


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    or get the projector and a rosted coffee subcription from a CS sponser for a blend you like.

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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

    Hi Jeff,

    Not sure I can offer any "sensible" advice.* :)
    Ive never used a Behmor or a Corretto so I cant compare. I started roasting with poppers about 9 years ago, then a dog bowl, then an I-Roast and then back to a dog bowl after the I-Roast died. At this stage, I was tempted to try a Corretto but the Hottop had long appealed to me, so I weakened.

    Ive been using it for a couple of years with only one problem - the spring on the eject door was a bit weak on the earlier models but thats been fixed on the newer ones. At least it forced me to almost completely strip it down for the repair and give it a good clean in the process.

    It blows a bit of smoke after 1st crack (I think Behmors have better control here?) but the cooling mechanism is very quick and effective. I like the consistency and repeatability.

    Its not exactly small though, Jeff, so wouldnt it present the same problem as your Corretto?

    Cheers (and a Happy Birthday when it arrives),
    Paul.

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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

    Build a KKTO and have coin left for the projector ;)

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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

    From a convenience and control perspective I dont think you could go wrong with a HT. I roast in the kitchen under the stove extraction hood, and find it no big deal to set-up and clean up after roasting. Batch size wise, I find the HT best at 250g giving between 211g-206g depending on the roast. However because I post blend anyway, 3-6 batches a session provides myself and a few friends enough for a week.

    However watching lots of movies, 3D or otherwise, is not really my thing, hence my leanings to getting the HT.* [smiley=wink.gif]

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    Hi Jeff,

    Once properly mastered, the Hottop B2 can deliver some really top class roasts.

    I regularly compare with a local pro roaster to see if Im on track, and I much perfer the HT., even when roasting similar beans

    There are a couple of profiles which deliver repeatably good roasts and I would be happy to share should you go down this path.

    Best wishes.

    JL

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    Hi Jeff,

    If as I read it youre after better control, then the grass looks greener on the other side because it is! ;)
    The only thing in my knowledge that offers more manual control than the Hottop KN-8828B is the Quest M3 (in fact this is more manual than the Hottop) and its also cheaper to buy than the Hottop. However thats a import-it-yourself idea with no local support if something goes wrong and its not electrically approved for Australia. Feature-wise it doesnt offer external cooling or the ability to save programs either however I know a couple of people who have a Quest so if youre open to that idea send a PM to hazbean. It would be a cheaper way to ultimate manual control but its a more agricultural solution and potentially there are a few pitfalls before you start and down the track.

    If youre after a safer option, the Hottop is the only unit that offers full manual control but still retains a pleasant user interface and is approved for use in Australia. For disclosure purposes Im the importer of these units but I dont think this changes the facts of the case. Yes it will set you back more than pretty well any other option but in my view it will perform better than any other option too. So in that sense its horses for courses; if youre after the improved results it can offer these once you learn to drive it, you just pay for those results in a higher purchase price. If you havent already, take a look at hottop.com.au for some more information about whats different with a Hottop.

    Compared to a projector, Im in GrahamKs category, but on paper if you ever decide to upgrade from the Hottop (which typically only happens when people move to a larger unit) itll probably still fetch ~65% of its new price in a few years time. A projector may be worth 25% if youre lucky.

    Hope this helps.
    Greg

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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

    Thanks guys,

    I am leaning towards the Hottop although my wife frowned when I mentioned this so I suspect she may have taken the decision out of my hands. Ill have to see what Thursday brings :-)

    Meanwhile, a couple of Hottop questions:

    1. Right now Im roasting Beans in 312g lots because it gives me a week of coffee and makes eight roasts per 2.5 kilo bag of beans. would I get away with roasting that much in the Hottop? Not a deal breaker but ive got a system that works and itd be nice to stick with it.

    2. If i am doing multiple 250g roasts, how long do I have to wait between one roast and the next?

    3. I know it releases some smoke while roasting. Does that make it outdoors only or would I get away with it indoors (under a range hood, with a tolerant wife)?

    Cheers
    Jeff K

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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0906050508630 link=1328224536/8#8 date=1328304251
    would I get away with roasting that much in the Hottop?
    The doco suggests it can roast up to 300g, but I personally found 250g to be best, so you would probably need to do at least 2 roasts for your requirements.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0906050508630 link=1328224536/8#8 date=1328304251
    how long do I have to wait between one roast and the next?
    I allow about 20-30mins to cool enough to start the next roast, and make use of a small fan to assist. But there are I believe a few other tricks to assisting the cooling. I have a thermocouple installed (I roast using Andys Roast Monitor program), and use that to monitor when its suitable to roast again.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0906050508630 link=1328224536/8#8 date=1328304251
    Does that make it outdoors only or would I get away with it indoors (under a range hood, with a tolerant wife)?
    I use it under range hood in the kitchen, but really only use it at the end when I dump the beans. The "tolerant wife" part only you can answer.* ;)
    I use a small hand held vacuum to clean up spilled chaff etc.

    GrahamK

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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

    Hi Jeff,
    The Hottop does 250 grm roasts in a little over 15 mins depending on your drop in temp.

    Randy Glass, a USA Hottop buff, roasts up to 300 grms and has suggestions on his website espressomy espresso

    There would need to be a bit of a delay with back to back roasts as the roaster needs to cool to 75c before restarting. Yesterday I roasted an ethiopian followed by a Yemen and after doing a cupping in between the roaster was ready to go again.....some owners use a fan to speed up the process.....ball park about 15 mins.

    Any roasting process produces smoke, if your present set up works* with the rangehood, so also would the hottop.....size may well be an issue although not impossible....also you would be taking over the kitchen for close to one and a half hours doing two roasts

    Do you have a spare square meter in the garage?...also from what Ive read, the Quest has a much longer learning curve than the Hottop.

    Good luck

    JL

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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

    WHile I have roasted 300 grams in the past, I have been doing 250 grams exclusively for the last few years.. since i got a better espresso machine and grinder able to extract the nuances from the coffee possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1D383F39081B3233332E570 link=1328224536/10#10 date=1328308685
    Randy Glass, a USA Hottop buff, roasts up to 300 grms and has suggestions on his website espressomy espresso
    More than just a buff, to be upfront about it. I am the Hottop USA webmaster, creating ALL the content on that site as well as the creator of the owners manual which can be downloaded there.

    The manual control of* the KN-8828B (or the KN-8828B-2 or -2K depending on what model has reached your shores) cannot be matched in an electric roaster.

    I do not actually work for Hottop, but am an independent contractor, self-employed graphic artist, proud to call Hottop USA one of my clients. I got the first Hottop which came into the US (even before they were for sale) and have been roasting on Hottops* ever since, assisting in a small way with the development program (when they listen to me).

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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

    Sorry Randy,

    Mr Hottop USA.....enjoy your very informative articles.

    Incidently, Im set up with a stock probe and bean temp. and record temps and heat/fan settings manually each minute...happy to do so thus far.

    Reading a lot on HB about roast logging....
    In a few words, do you have any recommendations?

    Thanks in advance

    JL

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6C494E48796A4342425F260 link=1328224536/12#12 date=1328313598
    Sorry Randy,

    Mr Hottop USA.....enjoy your very informative articles.
    No need at all for an apology.

    I have a Extech dual channel logging meter, but the interface to upload to the computer died (I do not know if it is the optical-to-serial cable or the meter itself) and it would cost more to fix than to buy a new one. Currently I use either Roast Logger and a webcam for graphing the display data, or I record info manually and enter it in a spreadsheet. Ya.. I know.

    I might get one of the dual-channel meters that works with Roast Logger, but no current plans to do so as current testing is done for me for a bit, and I know the Hottop well enough that I dont need it.

    My hope is that the new Hottop will be out before years end and it will have a computer interface (USB possibly, although I recommended Bluetooth). I have 3 Hottops currently, so no worry (although one is a collectible [at least to me] and will not be used again).



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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

    OK, so it looks like Ill have to change my ways if I get a Hottop and do a couple of roasts back to back. The more I read, the more I feel its the roaster for me. Lots of control and a built in profile for those lazy days when I just cant be bothered.

    I think my 50th birthday decision is made. Is is sad that Ill be a little disappointed if my wife surprises me with a 3D projector for my birthday?

    Cheers
    Jeff K

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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

    Well good for you Jeff....one advantage of smaller roasts (250 grms) is that you can compare alongside one another both in terms of coffee qualities and different profiles.

    Happy 50th

    JL

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    Re: Corretto to Behmor to... Hottop?

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    Since Juliet Lima was talking about back to back roasts...
    I was doing a couple of roasts this morning (and I was a bit pressed for time) so I took note of the time when I ejected the beans and again when I started the second roast to see how quickly I could turn it over. The delay was 12 minutes - pretty much as you said, JL.

    After ejecting the beans, I remove the cover on the loading chute, the rear filter and, using a glove, the front cover. After the cooling cycle, I use a medium size fan to help the cool down process.

    When the probe temp drops below 30 degrees C, I clean out any chaff and stuck beans and then start the next roast.* The display usually shows around 35 degrees at this point.

    The downside is that all the metal in the Hottop isnt "really" as cool as the probe suggests and it gets to 75 degrees on the display somewhat more quickly with the result that when I load the beans (at 75), the probe temp is about 20 degrees below the first roast and it "bottoms out" about 5 degrees cooler, so youre a bit behind the curve.

    Better palates than mine might wait a bit longer between roasts for greater consistency, but it works for me (if Im in a hurry :)).



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