Great news Andy :)
Im just waiting for your tests on Vista ::)
As soon as the results are positive, Ill order one :)
Great news Andy :)
Im just waiting for your tests on Vista ::)
As soon as the results are positive, Ill order one :)
Id like to get one of these, but Ill have to buy a notebook computer first (I dont think the thermocouple cord will stretch to reach my desktop). Mmm..most notebooks use Vista now. I guess a Netbook using XP would be OK.
Woo hoo!! Just reached 100 posts!
Yep, lucky 1st but only by a couple of minutes! It will be in the post tomorrow after I finish roasting.Originally Posted by 42776466607C050 link=1236075603/1#1 date=1236078940
Well this reply is being sent from my Vista notebook that was happy to run the software and it found the meter without any trouble too.Originally Posted by 716A75766D6A71050 link=1236075603/2#2 date=1236080135
Im running Vista Business Version 6.0 SP1 but I would expect it wil run in all versions of Vista if it worked on this one.
On XP and Vista, after plugging the meter into the USB and turning it on for the first time Microsoft will go through the Installing new device" pop-up on the Taskbar and then tell you that your "new device is ready to use".
If you later open you device manager you will see 2 new items under "Human Interface Devices":
+ Human Interface Devices
+ HID-compliant device
+ USB Human Interface
but you dont need to do anything with them, it should work if they exist.
Im sure you can scronge a second hand notebook for free or pretty close to free. *Most of the 3 or 4 year old notebooks are old enough to have dodgy battery life and you can get them very cheap. *As long as you are running it with the power cord then battery life doesnt matter!Originally Posted by 5A515A4249540E0C3B0 link=1236075603/3#3 date=1236083731
Ill do some tests tomorrow when Im roasting to see how long a USB cable this will run. *I think the USB standard is only 5 meters but I know often it will work over a longer distance.Originally Posted by 5A515A4249540E0C3B0 link=1236075603/3#3 date=1236083731
I have seen some ethernet to USB converters that will work over 200 meters!!! *(but they are far more expensive than a USB extension)
It appears the new roast monitor will work with both XP and Vista but remember... Vista sucks! *Really sucks. *XP is pretty stable and gives far less grief with everything.Originally Posted by 5A515A4249540E0C3B0 link=1236075603/3#3 date=1236083731
I just bought a Dell Inspiron Mini 9 (as a rule I dont like Dell but this is pretty generic and Dell didnt Dell it yet). *I got it through Vodafone with a 3G mobile data plan but I know someone that just got one for a little over $400. *It runs XP home and the meter and RoastMonitorUSB software worked fine on it.
The new sponsor, O’Maras Valuers & Auctioneers sometimes have some old laptops come in.Originally Posted by 7C7379641D0 link=1236075603/5#5 date=1236084375
Contact them and see if they have any at the moment.
My daughter brought one home a few weeks ago (she works for Vodafone).Originally Posted by 7C7379641D0 link=1236075603/5#5 date=1236084375
They are so cute.
Great Looking Data Logger There Andy. I just placed my order, I have been waiting with bated breath for this one.
Cheers Mate and many thanks.. Gra ;)Tool bar is great too.. :D :D :D
OMaras is a good idea TG.
She might get a few sales here!she works for Vodafone
Have been waiting for this to get started, so just placed my order (with a starter pack, some coco, a book etc) cant wait. Am off to buy my heat gun etc to get cracking!!!! ;D
Im impressed! *Youve shipped already - less than 24hrs.
And if I read "other stuff" correctly, 1/3 of the DMMs have also gone in under 24hrs. You must be pleased.
Another data logger SOLD :)
A new "coffee" toy to play with :D
He/She with the most toys wins ;)
Yet another sold.
To those that have made a move to the side of goodness and light :P (Mac), a report on how it works with on a MacBook Pro running Windows via Parallels for Desktop will follow shortly.
I know I may be a pain with this question
How do I or can the unit take 2 temperatures using 2 probes
1 for the bean temp & 1 for the ambient roaster temp :-/
My roaster would suit such a set-up
I dont use a data logger but do record the ambient temperature (manually) before starting the roasts.
It doesnt change much (if at all) in 20 minutes.
Thanks TG and Andy for your comments. I looked at the OMaras site and also the Bay of Evil, but cant yet find a cheap notebook. I cant find the Dell Mini 9 for less than $599. I dont want to sign up with Vodafone for $55 per month to get free Dell.
I spoke to OMaras today and they dont have any but I did say to contact them; they dont always have everything listed on the website.
It might pay to try again in a week or two if you are still looking.
If I hear of them getting in any cheap old laptops Ill post it here.
OK. Thanks for that.
Awesome work Andy. Hows the availability on these? I.e, will you be ordering more in when you run out of this batch? Im very keen to pick one up (trans-tasman even) but in about a month or so (convincing the partner that it is essential is going to be difficult)
Edit: One question, is that a standard K-type thermocouple?
I received my Data Logger This morning opened the front door @ about 8.30am and there she was sitting on the step..
Now thats what I call great service seeing as I only orded it around 10.30am yesterday :) :) I wish that I could get that kind of service from Brisbane to the Gold Coast ;D ;D.
Cheers Gra and thanks Mate...
Sorry for the lag in replies... boy, sometimes you blink and there are 10 replies to a topic!
Matey, we nearly always ship the same day as payment appears. Banks piddle around for a couple of days before we see it, PayPal is instant. The only exception to that rule is the "roasted to order" coffee which gets roasted and ships on the next roast day.Originally Posted by 12273436302C550 link=1236075603/10#10 date=1236151001
Glad you appreciate our excellent service though!
It comes with positive and negative probes too so you can use it like a multimeter (if that floats your boat). Maybe check the voltage of a set of batteries before putting them in your torch? Yeah, ok, I think you are right, its mostly a coffee toy but a good one at that.Originally Posted by 213A25263D3A21550 link=1236075603/11#11 date=1236153120
I certainly cannot imagine roasting coffee at the snobbery without one after using it for a few years now.
Interesting Epic76, I look forward to hearing how that goes. I dont have a Mac anywhere near by to test it.Originally Posted by 10253C366263550 link=1236075603/12#12 date=1236154222
VMware might also be an option for Mac and *nix.
Im with TG on that one. At the Snobbery I note the ambient temp when roasting (and through the day if it changes a lot) in my roasting logs. I also monitor the drum temp manually and using the information from both of those I adjust my roasting profiles to suit.Originally Posted by 1E3A333330300A1E3A26383A550 link=1236075603/13#13 date=1236166641
The Roast Monitor software currently only supports one data input but now we have a USB version that might change in the future. Using multiple serial inputs at the same time was a pain so we dumped it from the "to do" list.
For sure. We hope to always have these available for home roasters now the software is working well and the meter appears to be well built and fairly bullet-proof. Of course there will be times when we have misjudged demand and we might run-out waiting for more stock but the plan is to stick with this meter for a long while to come.Originally Posted by 676734550 link=1236075603/18#18 date=1236192661
This one IS our standard meter now.
Yes it is.Originally Posted by 676734550 link=1236075603/18#18 date=1236192661
We have also ordered some of those little "bead on a wire" K-type probes too for people that need them. Which should cost about $6 ea.
22 hours to land it 2000km away.... yeah Im pretty happy with that as a service KPI and its faster then me driving it there myself (well, at speed limit anyway)Originally Posted by 122734550 link=1236075603/19#19 date=1236223822
I should also mention, we are installing the batteries and testing each meter and probe before we ship it too. Not because we think they might be dodgy, just because its more comfortable to know that they left here working perfectly.
Have fun with your new toys!
This sounds realy good, should make fitting to my Hottop easier (read maybe no hols to drill) ;)Originally Posted by 426D677A030 link=1236075603/20#20 date=1236249018
Now something else to wait for ::)
Great forward thinking Andy.
If you want bean temp in a HT... It means holes and a SS probe :)Originally Posted by 312A35362D2A31450 link=1236075603/21#21 date=1236253001
The small bead type are great for many apps be it Air or Physical contact... With the HT, I am unaware of how else you can get as close to True bean temp other than a probe through the bean chute and into the area where the bean mass is expected to be...
Thanks AngerManagement,Originally Posted by 557A73716659757A75737179717A60140 link=1236075603/22#22 date=1236300733
I will try moding the chute cover to take the SS probe to start with.
Otherwise, Greg (Pullman) has modded his from the back end, a hole next to the drum drive motor. Which will get the probe into the bean mass as well.
Im hoping to get a photo or 2 soon *;)
I was looking at the RC mod as he has already measured and clearly identified the position of the holes... Why re do what has been done and worked.. Could not find the GP mod... But saw some comments some where..Originally Posted by 3C27383B20273C480 link=1236075603/23#23 date=1236302056
Will wait till you post some pics...
Have just fitted a NEW 12V fan and a fine SS mesh filter (replace tthe paper one).
Do not want to pull the HT fully apart again... So may just wait to see what the GP mod looks like... The probe as per RC would work... But not happy with the holes etc, if I move to something else..
Also looking for some fine SS mesh to line the bean chute as I am sick of the chaf fines being sucked into the rear of the machine.
Having never used the Roast Monitor software, can I please have some help? Working with Vista and XP (two different computers). I have plugged my new DMM into the computer - computer recognises and installs USB device. Downloaded Roast Monitor zip file from this page and then unzipped. What do I do now. I double clicked on the "RawMeterReader" and command window comes up with a whole lot of 00 00 00 00 00 00 etc running down the page. How do I get into the software? Double clicking on "RoastMonitor" (windows batch file) does nothing. Not sure what to look for?
Thanks for the speedy postage Andy (I wasnt expecting it until after the long weekend) Guess what Im doing this weekend! :D
You might need to download either .net and/or java. Try downloading those and see how you go.
For .net the first link here worked for me: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=VoC&q=.net+version+3.0&btnG=Searc h&meta=
Both .NET and java are both latest versions. Is the "RoastMonitor" (windows batch file) the way to start the program?
Im running Vista and I use roastmonitor.bat to start the program.
Try opening a dos window and running it from there. It might give you some diagnostics information to troubleshoot with.
ITS WORKING!!!!! You were right ACog. I didnt have Java installed. (I thought I did). The application file however to load the program is DataLogger (Executable Jar file).
Thanks for the help. Cant wait to try it out.
Glad you guys sorted that while I was off-line. Nice work.
I have updated the first post in this thread with links to Java, .NET and made mention of RoastMonitor.bat as the file to start it.
Have fun logging.
I received my Data Logger today, great fast service as usual :D
Thanks Andy :)
Its now fitted inside my Hottop and it works a treat :)
I can now measure the bean mass temp and log the temp/time for future reference and spreadsheet use ;) ;)
You didnt muck about, new toy straight into production!
While I save the profile from every roast I find mostly I use it as a visual indicator to know that my roast is on track. I have key reference points for each batch size and bean and can see at a glance what is going on.
It really helps deal with ambient temp fluctuations from day to day too.
Yep, when I get a new toy I must play with it :D
It beats wrinting the temps every minute!
I saved the data to an excel spreadsheet care of Intellidepth :)
I attached a copy of the profile, I hope it works :-/ (If its attached the wrong way, let me know)
I will do a temp comparison between the bean mass (DMM) and roast chamber temp (Hottop readout) ;)
Ill put some photos of the fitting of the probe on another thread (it would not belong on this thread) ;)
Originally Posted by 2A312E2D36312A5E0 link=1236075603/33#33 date=1236388443
My D seems to be performing much slower ???
1: Aprox 75C when the beep goes off - Add beans.... *It is about 15 - 17 min before FC... * * Then depending on many things add a few 30sec blocks and pull at *20 or 22min prior to SC..
2: A few *seems to think the is a bit long in the time to get to FC....
Here is some graphs showing the temp readouts between the Hottop and the DMM.
It seems the Hottop temp readings are chamber temps, while the DMM is showng bean mass temps :o
The roasts were done on different days with the same ambient temp and the same SO and weight!
Interesting..... Care to send the xls files... Should be able to merge and thus display the graphs on the one output...
After pulling my hair out for an hour or so, I just learned that if you want the Roastmonitor program to work with the DMM you need to have the yellow button with RS232 under it turned on. If you are like me and dont have that button pressed down the Roastmonitor will say that the meter is turned off. Glad I know now!
Also on XP you can get into the Roastmonitor with the RoastMonitor file or the DataLogger file but with Vista this does not work and the only one that works is the DataLogger file.
Hope this helps somebody.
Purely for the sake of anyone using a Mac, I just tried the roastmonitor on a MacBook Pro with Mac OSX 10.5.6 and didnt have much luck.
I tried running the Datalogger.jar file and encountered errors.
Given this wont be the computer I use anyway (wifes laptop), I didnt put any effort into trying to get it working.
I did find some software called Java Multimeter for Mac OSX which might be able to capture the raw data from the multimeter, but I havent installed it. (Did I mention this is my wifes computer?)
Excellent post Warren. It really shows why you should get readings from the beans not the air around them!Originally Posted by 28332C2F3433285C0 link=1236075603/35#35 date=1236396432
The actual profile of the roast looks great when you can see whats going on at bean level. A little slower after 1st crack might be better as the "beans have grown legs" and start to run away at that point but all in all a nice profile.
Good to see and looks much better than the factory readings from the HT.
ooops... yeah, that sort of thing "we assume" because we have been using a DMM for years.... sorry. I think the original DMM thread mentioned it. Ill update the first post in this one shortly.Originally Posted by 1D30352F283D352E6D5C0 link=1236075603/37#37 date=1236397075
Kind of weird that the button is called RS232 when the meter doesnt do RS232!
Errr... in my Vista the RoastMonitor.bat works fine!Originally Posted by 1D30352F283D352E6D5C0 link=1236075603/37#37 date=1236397075
Maybe try to create a new desktop shotcut to the batch file (.BAT) or change the RoastMonitor.bat extension to .CMD
(told you Vista sucks!)
Pity.Originally Posted by 3D3F333B3B35322F5C0 link=1236075603/38#38 date=1236404852
On a Mac, I think you will need to do more than run the .jar file. The batch file does:Originally Posted by 3D3F333B3B35322F5C0 link=1236075603/38#38 date=1236404852
Code:java -cp DataLogger.jar au.com.coffeesnobs.profiler.DataLoggerGood idea. Running on XP should give the least amount of grief.Originally Posted by 3D3F333B3B35322F5C0 link=1236075603/38#38 date=1236404852
I would bet it wont give you anything useful! So many different meters and everyone of them have their own ideas on formating the output. In fact this one was exceptionaly tricky as they have all sorts of random bits added to try and hide the output. This was one of the reasons it took the developer so long to get the RoastMonitor working with it.Originally Posted by 3D3F333B3B35322F5C0 link=1236075603/38#38 date=1236404852
Youd probably find the usb lead does some kind of RS232 to USB conversion. You can tell a tech designed the labels on the front.Originally Posted by 517E7469100 link=1236075603/39#39 date=1236426236
Probably. I was more curious than determined. Persistence might have paid off.Originally Posted by 517E7469100 link=1236075603/39#39 date=1236426236
(geeky techie nerdy alert)
No such luck. *Other USB meters that we had prototyped did do serial over USB, they install their own driver, create a COM port and talk serial on it. *This one (and I expect most future ones as serial is dead) are HID so they are auto-installed by windows. *It just outputs a bit stream via the optical isolated USB interface... no RS232.Originally Posted by 2C2E222A2A24233E4D0 link=1236075603/40#40 date=1236427524
I think the buttons were leftover from old DMMs and the marketing guys used them (or the bean counters wanted to save $0.01), not the techs... that would have to really annoy the techs.
I am trying to figure out how to instal the thermocouple in a Gene Cafe. Obviously it couldnt go into the revolving drum, so I guess it would fit into the end near the chaff catcher. This would make the readings less accurate but better than nothing, I guess. Does anyone have any views on this? Thanks.
Dennis drilled a hole in the alloy exhaust manifold in his so the readings were as close to the glass drum exit as he could.
Hi Ajavro, check this out... http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1191921790/8#8
I took a stab at it and was probably lucky. Speleomike took a more scientific approach and think he ended up with a hole in the same place I did!
Fantastic news Andy! Thanks for all your hard behind the scenes work to bring this on.
This is the only one Ive got so far Warren, lifes pretty hectic at the mo! Decent photos from the other end require removal of the back cover and top shell which isnt a 2 second job unfortunately! The factory temperature sensor is the button looking device in the top right of the photo, my probe is the shaft below it and the hole at the bottom was my first attempt! *::) Unfortunately the beefy cast alloy motor mounts are in exactly the wrong position for installing a fixed probe like this so you have to go one side or the other. Overall makes for a much neater job though than through the bean chute cover, so long as you dont mind voiding warranty! ;)Originally Posted by 79627D7E6562790D0 link=1236075603/23#23 date=1236302056
Hope its of some help to start with anyway, Ill get some others next time Ive got it out and apart.
Hi Dennis. Thanks for that. I remembered the thread, but I couldnt find it before. So, you just measured the spot and drilled straight through from the outside, eh? Sounds easy! One question: how did you insulate the thermocouple from the heat of the exhaust? All I can see is aluminium foil.
Have any posts been made on installing a probe from this location Greg? I cant find anything on the Things Coffee knowledge base. Would be much appreciated!Originally Posted by 0411060413160F0F0E020D630 link=1236075603/45#45 date=1236514557
Probably not very well - I had a laughOriginally Posted by 6A616A7279643E3C0B0 link=1236075603/46#46 date=1236519976
I has some insulating wool that was wrapped around the thermocouple - was just trying this out before trying to come up with something more permanent.
I tested the USB length today...
I had the 1 meter laed that comes with the data logger added a 2m + 2m + 3m extension and it ran fine so although the spec for a USB lead is only a couple of meters it seems to run ok longer than that.
As always though, try to keep the lead length as short as you can for less chance of introducing a problem.