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    CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    OK folks, here we go for the August 09 Bean Club

    The July Bean Club thread on Aceh Gajah Mt will remain open indefinitely.

    If you havent encountered this before, this is the second session of the Bean Club. It runs a bit like a book club: we vote on a bean which will be the feature Bean of The Month and then we roast, taste and/or comment. You dont have to raost your own to participare. You can comment on roasted beans that you bought from Bean Bay Brown or other sources; you can also comment on similar beans.

    Away we go...


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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    CS Bean Club Poll

    The beans listed will be on offer in BeanBay on Tues 11th August. Some may still be available after. The last 5 beans listed in the poll were carried over from July or earlier.

    The August Bean Bay thread is here. This includes descriptions of the first 5 beans for sale. Descriptions of the other beans can be found in BeanBay

    Poll will be open for a week so cast your votes.

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    I know what I want to vote for but have to wait to see if I actually get any!

    Harrar! Harrar!

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    So, what are people thinking of? I missed out on the bean of the month last month, but would love to get in on this bean club.
    I need to know what to buy. My list was looking like Sumatra Mandheling, Harar Star, maybe some Gambella naturals and why not some Wahgi if Im fast enough.
    Please pipe up if everyone is voting something else so I can buy some of it.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Quote Originally Posted by 0233243D3C3B303D2B520 link=1249854769/3#3 date=1249969057
    I need to know what to buy.
    Well the only way to decide would be to vote; hence the poll at the top of this thread. It means that some people may miss out (especially when a popular or low-supply bean is voted for)

    Im leaving the poll open until the end of the week so you can vote on what you have rather than what you like.

    A way around this would be to nominate two beans rather than one. I dont see a problem with this. The ultimate goal is to share info on roasting, cupping/tasting and blending

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    I would have thought that it would be better to post the poll up at the close of BeanBay, once everyones had a chance to acquire the beans of their choice and put a batch through the roaster???

    Mal.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Quote Originally Posted by 735E5A565B370 link=1249854769/5#5 date=1249982524
    I would have thought that it would be better to post the poll up at the close of BeanBay, once everyones had a chance to acquire the beans of their choice and put a batch through the roaster???
    Im open to suggestions but if we waited until everyone roasted and tried the beans in their order it might be some weeks before some are able to make a decision. The Bean of the Month doesnt have to be the pick of the crop. Just build up a bit of a dosser about the bean.

    My original intention of having the poll before BeanBay was to steer intending participants to try to acquire a selected bean.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Quote Originally Posted by 717B6E7979766264170 link=1249854769/6#6 date=1249983209
    My original intention of having the poll before BeanBay was to steer intending participants to try to acquire a selected bean.
    Yes, and maybe create a stampede that allows only a few to grab whats on offer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A77737F721E0 link=1249854769/7#7 date=1249983794
    Yes, and maybe create a stampede that allows only a few to grab whats on offer...

    Mal.
    Its ok Mal - I voted for the decaf. ;D


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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    ;D ;D

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C41454944280 link=1249854769/7#7 date=1249983794
    Yes, and maybe create a stampede that allows only a few to grab whats on offer...
    ..and how is that different to previous BBs?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C4D4646415B280 link=1249854769/8#8 date=1249983971
    Its ok Mal - I voted for the decaf.
    Good on ya Den. Jokes aside, I think if the Bean Club does take off, it should be a featured bean

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    sif there wasnt gonna be a stampede on the harrar and wahgi anyway! :)

    Placed my order and registered my vote.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Ethiopia Harar Star For me I will get back with some roasting notes in a couple of Day..

    Cheers Gra..

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F6A79180 link=1249854769/12#12 date=1249990340
    I will get back with some roasting notes in a couple of Day..
    Thanks Gra

    While the Harar looks the likely candidate, I will keep the poll open for until this Sunday so if you can hold off until tyeh poll is closed?

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Cheers mate

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    and if your selected bean isnt chosen feel free to post your own review in the cupping room anyway.... others might follow.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Andy, i reacon it would be safe to say, you can now confidently place an order for 163 tonnes of Papua New Guinea Wahgi AA and still sell it all in.........maybe 6 mins this time ;)

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Quote Originally Posted by 705F5548310 link=1249854769/15#15 date=1250002555
    and if your selected bean isnt chosen feel free to post your own review in the cupping room anyway.... others might follow.
    Definitely! Moreso for the less popular beans.

    There are several beans left in BeanBay - some for a few months now - that are probably there because they arent Wahgi or Ethiopian or one of the other usual suspects. But, roasted and brewed in a certain way, they may be (almost) as good and they may even become a favourite.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Quote Originally Posted by 5A504552525D494F3C0 link=1249854769/17#17 date=1250030771
    There are several beans left in BeanBay - some for a few months now - that are probably there because they arent Wahgi or Ethiopian or one of the other usual suspects. But, roasted and brewed in a certain way, they may be (almost) as good and they may even become a favourite.
    Yes, Peru Ceja de Selva has become a favourite of both my sister and myself. We love it. And if I remember correctly it hung around for a couple of months.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Quote Originally Posted by 767C697E7E716563100 link=1249854769/10#10 date=1249984365
    ..and how is that different to previous BBs?
    So, the current stampede isnt enough????

    Strange :-?

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Quote Originally Posted by 1E33373B365A0 link=1249854769/19#19 date=1250067691
    So, the current stampede isnt enough????
    Sorry Mal. I dont think Bean of the Month nomination would have made the Wahgi go any quicker than it did.

    The Aceh that was featured last month was voted on after Bean Bay closed. The Monsoon Mal went even quicker.

    As I said, Im open to suggestions. Im happy to delay the poll until after BeanBay, especially if it means more contributions.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Quote Originally Posted by 474D584F4F405452210 link=1249854769/1#1 date=1249855130
    Poll will be open for a week so cast your votes.
    Poll closes tomorrow so if you havent voted yet, this will be your last chance.

    Thanks for all the votes and I hope that those who voted also intend to participate (including the two who voted for the CS Decaf Wow).

    The Ethiopian Harar looks to be the Star (sorry) this month. Remember you dont have to have roasted the bean to contribute, just tried it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 575D485F5F504442310 link=1249854769/21#21 date=1250420768
    The Ethiopian Harar looks to be the Star (sorry) this month. Remember you dont have to have roasted the bean to contribute, just tried it.
    You gotta have the bean to do both & I missed out
    So I will enjoy my Sumatra Mandheling Mystic TP :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by 042029292A2A1004203C22204F0 link=1249854769/22#22 date=1250423700
    You gotta have the bean to do both & I missed out
    Not necessarily. Some kind hearted soul in Brisbane or nearby might share (or swap) some of theirs - roasted or green.

    I think it better to have two beans per month to offset the mad rush for the most popular bean but Im not sure whether to include
    - the second most popular (which is the Wahgi this month - so far) or
    - the most popular carry-over bean which is the Decaf Wow.

    Theres been plenty written about the Wahgi already.

    But I tried some of the Sumatran Sipangan Bolon from last month today. Its a smooth, sweet low acidity bean but doesnt cut through milk that well. Probably would suit a lighter roast and especially as an espresso or machiatio. Someone else looks to have been impressed enough to give it a vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 73796C7B7B746066150 link=1249854769/21#21 date=1250420768
    The Ethiopian Harar looks to be the Star (sorry) this month. Remember you dont have to have roasted the bean to contribute, just tried it.
    Yay, managed to get a little of this!, looking forward to pickup on 28th!

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    Pssst - KK, you can go to the Bris pickup point and nab some of WSullys stash while he isnt looking ;) ;D

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    Quote Originally Posted by 767C697E7E716563100 link=1249854769/25#25 date=1250468031
    Pssst - KK, you can go to the Bris pickup point and nab some of WSullys stash while he isnt looking *;) *;D
    i have comissioned the help of the french foreign legion to protect my little but important stash >:(

    Quote Originally Posted by 4071667F7E79727F69100 link=1249854769/18#18 date=1250066215
    Yes, Peru Ceja de Selva has become a favourite of both my sister and myself. We love it. And if I remember correctly it hung around for a couple of months.
    Great bean, def my favorite so far, loved it......but no more :( oh well ill just have to find myself another favorite! ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0602243D3D3827303F510 link=1249854769/26#26 date=1250469658
    Quote Originally Posted by 767C697E7E716563100 link=1249854769/25#25 date=1250468031
    Pssst - KK, you can go to the Bris pickup point and nab some of WSullys stash while he isnt looking *;) *;D
    i have comissioned the help of the french foreign legion to protect my little but important stash >:(

    Quote Originally Posted by 4071667F7E79727F69100 link=1249854769/18#18 date=1250066215
    Yes, Peru Ceja de Selva has become a favourite of both my sister and myself. We love it. And if I remember correctly it hung around for a couple of months. *
    Great bean, def my favorite so far, loved it......but no more :( oh well ill just have to find myself another favorite! ;D
    I wonder what is on show at the Di Bella Coffee cupping on the 22 nd :-)

    Ann did show me... But I was distracted by the eye candy ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5B514453535C484E3D0 link=1249854769/25#25 date=1250468031
    Pssst - KK, you can go to the Bris pickup point and nab some of WSullys stash while he isnt looking *;) *;D
    To get 1 kg of Aceh Gajah Mt I had traded with 3 C-Snobs to get it
    Last trade was with Lozzo - thanks mate [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Negotiator is my middle name

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    Well the poll is closed and the August Bean of the Month is Ethiopia Harar Star. Thanks again to those who voted.

    Some of you have already received your beans so Im looking forward to reading your comments. Other Ethiopia Harrars have featured on BeanBay before (E. Harrar Blue Horse(?), E. Harrar Longberry) so comments about these beans wouldnt be off-topic especially if you are comparing to the Harar Star.

    Could a mod please change the thread title to CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star.

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    Ok, Picked up my little stash of this bean today, any roast notes from anyone?

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    Re: CS Bean Club - August

    I roasted 500g on Saturday (2 x 250 batches) and have yet to try it.

    Still sorting out my corretto which seems to start at a fast pace to 100 the plateaus at around 170 so cant give reliable roast notes.

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    yeah i did a batch on the weekend and will probably get into it tomorrow. Happy to share the profile I used in the Gene ahead of that though, heres my notes etc -

    Looking at the Harrar, it looked like a wilder Yirg really, so I applied the intended new profile I was going to move to for Yirg. I think this will work well, and the final temp ramp brang on SC within a minute, so I guess I can sit for a little longer and stretch the time by another minute or so. Just have to wait and see how it tastes ...

    0 min 150
    5 min 235
    13 min 225
    1RFC 215
    3min after FC end 240

    FC time 13:41 @ 225C
    FC end approx 15:20 @ 215C (still having trouble telling when FC ends)
    Temp up after FC end 18:21
    SC time 19:43 @ 238C
    Stop time 20:11 @ 238C

    green/brown weight 225g/188g

    that coffeeroast DB software The Goodies found is great I have to say!

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1113135726


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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    Roasted 600g Harar Star on the 13th started pulling shots yesterday thick as chocolate syrup yumeeeeee..

    Cheers Gra :D :D


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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    Quote Originally Posted by 4C796A0B0 link=1249854769/33#33 date=1251281388
    Roasted 600g Harar Star on the 13th started pulling shots yesterday thick as chocolate syrup yumeeeeee..

    Cheers Gra :D :D

    any roast notes gra? :P

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    Quote Originally Posted by 4145637A7A7F607778160 link=1249854769/34#34 date=1251284317
    any roast notes gra? Tongue
    I used the turbo roaster 14.30 to first crack and I tend to pull all my roasts at 205 - 210 around 18 or 19 min..

    Drinking this one know ;D ;D


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    Quote Originally Posted by 59504B5259545C310 link=1249854769/32#32 date=1251275940
    yeah i did a batch on the weekend and will probably get into it tomorrow. Happy to share the profile I used in the Gene ahead of that though, heres my notes etc -

    Looking at the Harrar, it looked like a wilder Yirg really, so I applied the intended new profile I was going to move to for Yirg. I think this will work well, and the final temp ramp brang on SC within a minute, so I guess I can sit for a little longer and stretch the time by another minute or so. Just have to wait and see how it tastes ...

    0 min * * * * * *150
    5 min * * * * * *235
    13 min * * * * * *225
    1RFC * * * * * * * * * *215
    3min after FC end * * *240

    FC time 13:41 @ 225C
    FC end approx 15:20 @ 215C (still having trouble telling when FC ends)
    Temp up after FC end 18:21
    SC time 19:43 @ 238C
    Stop time 20:11 @ 238C

    green/brown weight 225g/188g

    that coffeeroast DB software The Goodies found is great I have to say!

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1113135726
    ok so my first roast of Harrar seems to have gone pretty well. We ran it through syphon (thanks Yeeza) at the meetup yesterday and was able to detect some berry fruits, as espresso I tasted dark cherry sort of flavours. I think it could be a little sweeter and possibly more berry-y (if you get my drift). Im going to play with the time between FC and SC to see what I can draw out of it.

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    OK heres my contribution:

    Bean: Ethiopia Harar Star

    Roast method: Corretto - 2 x 250g batches

    Roast Notes: Second batch FC at 9 mins 181.3o; SC at 13 mins 203.7 o. Pulled at start of RSC - CS10. The first batch was a much slower roast pulled at start of RSC 18 mins but the profile is uneven as I am still struggling with temp control of the HG. Dammit, Im going to have to buy a variable temp gun.

    Roast Date: 22/8/09

    In the Cup: 31/8/09 Double shot poured as a 25mL ristretto and a latte in a std 220mL latte glass. Medium grind- pretty much in the middle. The extraction suggests a tad too fine but produced 25mL in 30 seconds

    Tasting notes:
    A little over-extracted and flavours hard to describe but :
    - faint citrus on first taste of the ristretto
    - dominant taste was fruity/berry but dont ask me which fruit or berry *:-/ *EDIT: Just read Hazchems notes and, yes, cherry sounds right.
    - faint earthy/chocolate after-taste. Chocolate after taste more pronounced about 20 mins later.

    Light acidity - doesnt cut through milk that well but still fairly enjoyable as a milk-based drink. I felt I could go another cup.

    Rating: Ill reserve my judgment for the time being but I think it will develop into a nice bean.

    I like this bean a little better than the E. Gambella Naturals *I was drinking last week (not the sun-dried from the last BeanBay) but not as much as the Yirgachefe which is a hard act to follow.

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    I roasted 3 x 250 g of Harar on the 27th (Thursday) - I took all of these to CS8-9.

    Ive been drinking these since the Friday, and have really noticed a massive improvement in the flavour in the last day or so. I was amazed at how this tastes now compared with my earlier shots. The crema is settling down now, rather than rapidly degassing.

    Im getting a kind of burst of sweet acidity in this (please excuse my very newb cupping vocab), with a chocolatey after taste. I had some misgivings with my earlier shots, but am really happy with this after letting it rest.

    your mileage may vary.

    I drank this in a 150ml tulip.

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    Was away for a couple of weeks in the last month so kinda didnt roast as much.

    First roast went to SC and was too dark, lost most of the berry notes I was looking for, but otherwise turned out ok.

    Did another roast couple of nights ago and stopped before first snaps of SC, so will try it tomorrow morning. Surprising honey/caramel aroma from the roasted beans (no grassy hay thankfully!).

    p.s. did I miss the September vote? Cant find it. Id like the vote to start the night of BeanBay myself. Gives me an added incentive to roast it up as soon as I receive it.

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    Well I was underwhelmed by the response: 38 voted but only 5 contributed.

    I guess as there is plenty to go around this month and no one missed out Ill give it another try.


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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    Sorry it took so long, but have been very busy.
    I was also a bit reluctant to post because in terms of cupping notes, I am an absolute beginner. I feel I have good tastes and always know what I like but then putting it in words seems to escape me. And as you will see I am hardly adding anything that hasnt already been said above.

    Anyway, roasted on a corretto with an ever increasing gradient up to first crack at about 11 mins with a slow climb from there to first signs of 2nd crack at about 17:30 mins. Around CS9. Opened on day 10.

    Drank as a piccolo latte. My description would be cherry bomb with ever growing chocolate aftertaste. Low acidity but still worked well in a piccolo latte. Earthy mouth feel and distinctively Ethiopian coffee. (I guess what I mean by this is on a blind tasting I would have been 99+% sure this was an ethiopian bean, whereas some other origins and beans I would have no confidence on picking on a blind taste).

    I like it! But that is no surprise, I tend to love every Ethiopian I source from beanbay.

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    Quote Originally Posted by 3001160F0E09020F19600 link=1249854769/41#41 date=1253229862
    I was also a bit reluctant to post because in terms of cupping notes, I am an absolute beginner. I feel I have good tastes and always know what I like but then putting it in words seems to escape me. And as you will see I am hardly adding anything that hasnt already been said above.
    I dont think youre Robinson Crusoe, PB. Im in that boat too (though, as RC was shipwrecked on an island, he wouldnt have been in a boat...never mind my mixed metaphors ::)).

    I dont agree that you wouldnt add anything so dont be shy. I think many would prefer a simple down-to-earth approach rather than one that uses cupping terminology. I envisaged that many of those reading would like to know how you roasted it and what the result was.

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    I have roasted 600g of this bean 3 days ago to first signs of SC, will report back soon, about 6 days.........not the best fresh.

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    CS8-9. FC 9:28, RFC 9:46 -> Pulled 11:18 prior to SC. 5 days old.

    Espresso: Cherry aroma. Typical Ethiopian flavour. Long length. Too lightly roasted as its missing complexity/mid-range notes. No blueberry in sight - but Ive realised this is the Star not the Longberry.

    Ristretto (tight grind+25ml double shot): Stronger cherry aroma with dark chocolate thrown in. I like this the best. Lingering cherry merging to peachy flavour which was not in the Espresso.

    Latte on ristretto base: no good. Aroma changed to maple-syrup (I checked several times). Milk has cut out any complexity but still has length and typical Ethiopian flavour. Sour slightly hay edge = underroasted.

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    ID,
    Leave it another 4 or 5 days and you might find the slightly underroasted notes disappear. Ive not roasted the Harrar star, but the Harrars and yirgs Ive roasted of late seem to show this trait.

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    ID,
    How far shy of SC were you? prolly a good indicator for me....what temp was it pulled at?, i want to compare your findings with mine at first signs of SC, my profile was roughly, 600g CS8, FC 11:30 @ 200C, first signs of SC 17:30 @ 216C pulled and cooled within 2 min........struggling to leave it at least 5 days to start tasting..... ;D

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    ACog, will do.

    WSully: temp, no idea (no permanent probe) but Id estimate 10 secs clear of SC. It was a 400g batch. Should have waited until first snaps of SC then pulled. Yours has much better length, so Id expect more balance and complexity from it but still with some prominent aromatics at that overall roast level.

    5 days is definitely too young, particularly with the profile as it was for mine. Id try my next batch from 7 days onwards.

    EDIT (arvo) Next Roast just completed: CS9 (8-9). FC about 12:20 at 197-202*C, SC at 220-222*C, pulled about 10 secs into slow first snaps at 15:28.

    Ill let you know in a week how it tastes. Flexible thermocouple used thus the slight variance in temps depending on when it hit the metal paddle.

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

    The arvo roast (post #47) was the winner out of all my profiles; opened 7 days post roast, still a bit young, hit its best at day 10 onwards, flavours finally rounded out for full palate.

    I usually prefer younger roasts, but this is definitely an exception.

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    Re: CS Bean Club August 09 - Ethiopia Harar Star

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    Cheers ID, i consumed this bean too quickly, i think it only lasted till day 6, wasnt too impressed as it was quite flat, but you have given me new hope!, im gunna do another roast tonight and leave it sit till day 8 at least.
    cheers



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