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    CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    OK Its on again.
    If you are unfamiliar with the format of the Bean Club, check previous threads in the Home Roasting forum topic such as last months - you can still contribute to them.

    This month, given the bigger variety of beans available (thanks Andy) and to hopefully increase participation the top two beans will become beans of the month. Proceed to the next post to cast your votes.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    OK, you can vote now. As above, the two beans receiving the most votes will become the subjects for this month.

    Poll will remain open for 1 week (closes on Oct 19). I will keep results hidden until at least after the Bean Bay on Tuesday 13

    Unfortunately there isnt enough room in the poll for all the beans so the Wahgi (already plenty written about it) and the Java Robusta (highly unlikely to rate) were left out. Whether the Robusta will rate lower than the Decaf is moot - I made an executive decision. Click the Logout button above to register any complaints * :P *;D

    Of course, the Nicaraguan Dipilto was last months Bean of the Month and you can still contribute to the thread *here


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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    Herbazu. Actually got a little, happy with that!

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    I went with the Kuza, another interesting Ethiopian to play with methinks.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    OK, poll is visible now. Herbie has raced out of the blocks but now that St. Andy has given the Kuza his blessing, it may be well in the running for a place if it doesnt get across the line first.


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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    I went with Ethiopian Gambella I am sure others will but this bean can be tricky for beginners.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    Quote Originally Posted by 404C5F59544F484C432D0 link=1255328971/5#5 date=1255430007
    I went with Ethiopian Gambella I am sure others will but this bean can be tricky for beginners.
    Welcome back MB.

    I was almost going to leave out the Gambella from the poll to make room for the robusta as it is another bean about which plenty has been posted on CS.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    I havent been far away and i was dropping in from time to time.

    Got half my order today so I will be roasting some this week.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    I will go with Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu Looking forward to trying this one

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    I went with Herbie.

    It was a tough call as I pretty much knew Andys favourite from the descriptors, but....... I saw a really nicely tricked old style dak dak on the way home yesterday so I guess Herbie wins ;D. Oh yeah, I also get to try a COE bean.

    I have 5 kg of each on the way so Steve, happy if they both get picked as I was a non informer last month.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    Herbie is listed on the Costa Rican Specialty Coffee website with a cupping score of 86.96 if anyone is interested!!

    http://www.scacr.com/en/golden_crop_results.php





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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    Quote Originally Posted by 7E766E64791D0 link=1255328971/9#9 date=1255512013
    happy if they both get picked as I was a non informer last month.
    It certainly looks like Herbie and Kuza are in the running.

    Informer? What, you mean snitch or grass? Well it wasnt me - and if it turns out it was me, then I was forced into it. ;) ;D

    Oh wait, I see - you mean contributor. Well, for penance, you can post for both beans ;)

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    I went for the Kuza simply because I missed out on beanbay on the night and thus missed out on the Herbie :( which I otherwise would have chosen. So, a bag of Kuza on the way and Im hoping it makes the cut into the beans of the month.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    Well its almost closing time for the poll. It looks almost certainly like the Herbazu and Kuza will form the double.

    I didnt get any of the Herbazu - trying to be strong and remind myself that a stash <100kg doesnt sound that excessive but I did end up getting some of the Kuza. I love Ethiopians.

    Anyway, if you havent voted - the poll will close this evening. I do hope that those who voted intend to contribute even if the bean you voted for didnt make it. After all, this isnt the CS Poll Voters Club ;) ;D

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    CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu + Ethiopia Kuza

    Poll is now closed with (predictably) the Herbie being the #1 and Kuza being the runner up.

    Could a mod please change the thread title to the same as this post. Much appreciated.

    So, ladeez and gennelmen, start your roasters and let us know how it all went. Please dont feel you have to use cupping terminology to describe your roasts. Generally we would like some idea of what roasting method/ profile you used and how your roasts turned out appearance and taste-wise. Also, how the beans compare to other Costa Ricans or Ethipians you might have tried,

    Id love to hear from Luvacap, if he does a roast of one or both of these beans in his new Quest M3.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    Quote Originally Posted by 757F6A7D7D726660130 link=1255328971/13#13 date=1255899255
    this isnt the CS Poll Voters Club
    what? i thought this was all about the voting! gah, I _suppose_ I could post something about the Herbazu once it arrives and I go get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 757F6A7D7D726660130 link=1255328971/14#14 date=1255934488
    Id love to hear from Luvacap, if he does a roast of one or both of these beans in his new Quest M3
    me too.

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    Quote Originally Posted by 6F667D646F626A070 link=1255328971/15#15 date=1255950608
    I could post something about the Herbazu once it arrives and I go get it.
    Onya, Hazchem. But as a special favour for a fellow CSer, I could pick up your Herbie for you (from cuppacoffee I presume) then do a series of quality control roasts to ensure they survived the trip north. Nothing to do with the fact that I missed out on the Herbazu, of course ;)

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    I have got 5 kg of the Sumatra Panjang Mandheling

    How can one resist this from Andys description

    Translucent blue/green in colour with a golden layer of chaff this wet hulled Mandheling produces huge body and liquid chocolate type pours ooze from the group handle. Deep, rich and earthy without the funk sometimes associated to some Sumartran coffees. Great as a single origin at CS9-10 roast depth or add a higher acidity bean to make an excellent espresso blend.
    KK ;D

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    Quote Originally Posted by 290D040407073D290D110F0D620 link=1255328971/17#17 date=1255953711
    How can one resist this from Andys description
    Yes, this was the bean I thought Andy considered to be better than the Herbazu, based on that description

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    Well, I just wok roasted 400g of the Herbie.

    Initial thoughts - a LOT of chaff - blew the chaff out of the wok a couple of times mid roast so I could see what I was doing, and then much, much more again when I was cooling in the sieves. It seemed to be a slower roaster than most of my other beans, taking a long time to get to FC and then fairly quick into SC.

    Beautiful even roast for wok roasting, and threw out about 3 beans for being below par but went from 400g to 320g by the end, so about 75g of chaff. Phew!

    Now just have to rest and wait to drink - damnit, I wish there was some way to speed this part of the process up, but most/all beans taste very earthy under the 3 day mark to me, so I just have to be patient...

    Cheers
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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    Di, You might as well try some on day 1....maybe youll like this bean earlier than most? :)

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    Re: CS Bean Club - October 09

    Gday roasters,

    I picked up my Kuza yesterday and put a roast through the Gene Café just now. Beautiful looking green beans.

    300 gm.
    Set temperature 230°C.
    1st crack at 11.8 min. Reduce setting to 225°.
    At 13.8 min. reduce setting to 220°.
    2nd crack (first snaps) at 16.6 min.
    Cool at 17 min. (not at rolling 2nd crack yet)
    Colour--CS 9-10, not super even.
    Easy to roast, very loud cracks, little chaff.
    Ill report on taste in a few days (or however long I can last!)

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Wow wow wow

    Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu:
    Batch size: 540g
    FC: 11:21 @ 199
    RFC: 12:50 @ 206
    EFC: 14:10 @ 209

    Deliberately didnt hit SC and cut the roast at 16:00 @ 216
    CS 8-9

    Cup - just incredible! And this was a taste 5 mins post roast! Cant wait to see how it develops. Honey sweetness with a citrus punch and a hint of lemon.
    I had a friend roast this to about CS 7 - huge citrus bomb! Combo of grapefruit and orange. Awesome.

    I honestly feel sorry for anyone who missed out on this!

    Cheers,
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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Excellent - thanks guys.

    Ben - do you mind adding to your post that it was is the Herbazu you roasted. We can tell now that it is (not just by the fact you had to put the slipper in at the end :( ) but later on some might wonder.

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Flynn - done!

    p.s did I say that its awesome?

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Ben. What brew method did you use? And do you want to share your excess stock? 8-)

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Smokey - this roast was for espresso. I can imagine this would be very very exciting using manual brewing methods, and I plan do a lighter roast at some point to try this in plunger (the extent of my manual brewing technology).

    In terms of excess stock, I am willing to sell some of my stock at $5 per bean. Enquire within

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Quote Originally Posted by 777F70767E2421150 link=1255328971/24#24 date=1256364444
    p.s did I say that its awesome?
    Um...let me check. Yep - you certainly did - and incredible too.

    Looking forward to hearing more about it. Perhaps even try it some time

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    I got up the morning and the Kuza was saying "Drink me" even though its only a day old. :D

    I put 21 gm in the grinder, pulled a 25 ml ristretto, steamed milk and poured out a piccolo latté in my Illy nude cup (65 ml).

    Lovely, strong coffee flavour with a hint of sweet orange. Not spicy, no "wild" flavours like a Sidamo, but smooth and very satisfying. It reminds me of a well-balanced Yemen/Sumatra blend.

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    This is so cruel, stop taunting me as I dont pick mine up until next weekend.
    At least Ill have plenty of roasting tips!! :)

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F77787E762C291D0 link=1255328971/22#22 date=1256361042
    Wow wow wow

    Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu:
    Batch size: 540g
    FC: 11:21 @ 199
    RFC: 12:50 @ 206
    EFC: 14:10 @ 209

    Deliberately didnt hit SC and cut the roast at 16:00 @ 216
    CS 8-9

    Cup - just incredible! And this was a taste 5 mins post roast! Cant wait to see how it develops. Honey sweetness with a citrus punch and a hint of lemon.
    I had a friend roast this to about CS 7 - huge citrus bomb! Combo of grapefruit and orange. Awesome.

    I honestly feel sorry for anyone who missed out on this!

    Cheers,
    Ben
    This morning it came out with a bang of citrus! Huge! A whole lot of little lemons and oranges jumped onto my tastebuds and started having a party.
    Seriously, well bodied epsresso with a hint of sweetness, but an over-riding lemon tea hit. However, the honey is still there, and is combined with a slight caramel.
    Served as a flat white for the better half, it was reasonably mellow, with an enhanced honey sweetness.

    Deeee.Liccc.ioouuss.

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Okay, so Ive well and truly used up my first lot and onto my second batch of this bean, and I must say...

    Beeeeyooootiful!

    Damn, I wish Id grabbed another 4 bags or more of this bean - it is by far the most pleasant one Ive ever roasted, both in terms of ease of roasting, eveness of roasting and taste in the cup.

    My worst problem is that I gave 300g roasted away to two guys I work with and 300g away to Petes boss as a thank you, so Im having a bit of givers remorse but at least they will enjoy it. Ill have to be a bit more lean with it, I think - Im down to only about 500g left in one bag and 2kg in the other!

    *sigh* why is it that with every bean I fall in love with, I only get a couple of bags of it and then regret it afterwards....

    Havent got another couple of hundred kg stashed somewhere, by any happy chance, have you Andy?

    :)

    Cheers
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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Herbazu again this morning.
    This time pulled as a 55sec double ristretto and it was a huge grapefruit hit! You get that sour tang, but the sweetness lingers and is sooo good.

    I am a big big fan of this bean, and am looking forward to playing with the variables a bit more.

    As I mentioned earlier, I roasted this batch fairly light. Has any one gone darker and got that caramel/honey/malt?

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Picked up my Herbie yesterday, roasted 600g this afternoon 1st crack 12.15 at 200C pulled roast at 217C 17.20min. just before second crack CS 8.
    Couldnt wait so I cupped it 2 hours later--
    Dry aroma: crisp citrus, sweet nutty/caramel aroma
    Wet aroma: rich citrus/caramel notes
    Slurping: good body, smooth buttery mouthfeel, heaps of citrus,nutty/caramel notes.
    Lingering slightly sharp aftertaste on roof of mouth.
    Very enjoyable and can only get better with a bit of degassing!!
    Wont be sharing these babies!!! ;) ;)

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Ethiopian Kuza
    Corretto roasted with 1st crack at 12mins and pulled at beginning of 2nd crack at 18:30mins.
    Opened day 9 and drank through to day 14 in double shot flat whites, piccolo lattes, espressos and ristrettos.

    I call this the lolly shop special. Very sweet. A good coffee flavour coupled with notes of strawberry and cream lollies, vanilla and toffee at day 9 and 10 moving through to more orange with vanilla and toffee as the days moved on. Good body. Very long aftertaste.

    A very special coffee in my books.

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Quote Originally Posted by 1524332A2B2C272A3C450 link=1255328971/34#34 date=1257122109
    Ethiopian Kuza
    Corretto roasted with 1st crack at 12mins and pulled at beginning of 2nd crack at 18:30mins.
    Opened day 9 and drank through to day 14 in double shot flat whites, piccolo lattes, espressos and ristrettos.

    I call this the lolly shop special. Very sweet. A good coffee flavour coupled with notes of strawberry and cream lollies, vanilla and toffee at day 9 and 10 moving through to more orange with vanilla and toffee as the days moved on. Good body. Very long aftertaste.

    A very special coffee in my books.
    Thanks PB. With a relatively light roast like yours (pulled at SC) I would be tempted to try at 7 days or even sooner. I know its an Ethiop but some do work with a shorter rest (e.g. Yirgachefe)

    I roasted 300g yesterday at cksyds (thanks Chris and thanks for the donation Andy). I ended up completing the roast by sight and sound as the DMM to laptop connection failed and refused to resume and the TC was dislodged out of the bean mass. I pulled the roast at the beginning of second crack (Im not too good on the sound bit but it was def before rolling second crack).

    The result looked good I (and another CSer) thought and relatively even for an Ethiop bean. Im definitely going to try this one on Saturday

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Ethiopian Kuza

    All I can say is Im glad I got two batches.

    This is getting better and better--now it is beautiful and complex, but so well balanced I cant really pick any specific flavours. Now at day 10 it is one of my favourite coffees. I think it still tastes a bit like a great Mocha/Java blend.

    This evenings coffee was a 30 ml extraction in 25 seconds, and topped up with 35 ml steamed milk. It lasted 3 swallows. ;D

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    i really need to pick my beans up so I can post in here BEFORE the November Club goes up!

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E44514646495D5B280 link=1255328971/35#35 date=1257126922
    Thanks PB. With a relatively light roast like yours (pulled at SC) I would be tempted to try at 7 days or even sooner. I know its an Ethiop but some do work with a shorter rest (e.g. Yirgachefe)
    I will give this a go on the next roast. It was actually opened day 9 as that was when I finished off the previous roast, rather than any other strategy.

    I think Kuza will be my next roast too, I am already missing it. Trouble is, it will have to go back to back with Yemen Bani Ismail which I have degassing in the cupboard right now :)

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Quote Originally Posted by 0C3D2A3332353E33255C0 link=1255328971/38#38 date=1257303174
    Trouble is, it will have to go back to back with Yemen Bani Ismail
    Hmmm...the tribulations of Coffee Snobbery. If in doubt, the YBI gets preference. ;)

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Quote Originally Posted by 767C697E7E716563100 link=1255328971/35#35 date=1257126922
    I roasted 300g yesterday at cksyds (thanks Chris and thanks for the donation Andy). *
    Tried this on Thursday - 4 days post-roast: flat and *rather tasteless

    Tried it today as a latte and then a long black: wow- cant wait to try it as a double ristretto later.

    Excellent - just as good as Andy suggested. I got strawberry jam with hints of citrus. I think 7 days will see it at its best at the depth I roasted - CS9 (pulled at first sign of second crack).

    This is destined to become a favourite. Might have to grab another bag I think *:D and dont hesitate to order some more Andy.


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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Agree totally Mr Flynn

    4 days I was a bit ho-hum, but at day 7 there was a huge improvement.

    Currently drinking the assorted roast technique blend from the pickup day (kind of muddled really) but really keen to attack it again and leave it for 7 days and start from there.

    But the Herbie is talking to me... :-/

    Chris

    and then there is the Yirg.... :-?

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    What just happened to my Kuza??!!!

    1st roast went out of control. There was only a 2 deg gap between FC and SC.

    150 deg. 6:30
    198. 11:45. FC started
    215. 14:45. FC finished
    217. 16:15 SC??!!!!

    There was a very long and prnounced FC that lasted almost 20 deg.
    I guess I need to back the heat off even more than usual at FC. Anyone else find something similar?

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Quote Originally Posted by 2E303236382439383E365D0 link=1255328971/42#42 date=1257915193
    Anyone else find something similar? *
    Not really but I couldnt pick SC on my roast.

    That was a very long FC. I think it went for a while on the roast I did but couldnt measure.

    Ill try another roast this weekend and let you know.


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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Did a 2nd batch and controlled it a little better.

    FC 195 - 208 (10:45-14:00). Still a long time.
    SC stared at 213 but got moving at 215 and I pulled it at the verge of rolling. There seems to be a wide band with for both cracks making it a little harder to measure a true gap. Ill wait a week and see how it goes.

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Cost Rica Herbie 11 days post roast
    CS8
    doppio espresso

    lovely honeylike texture, very smooth with a grapefruit tang at first and then a rich cocoa/caramel hit at front of palate and then lingering aftertaste with a hint of smokiness, a most pleasant experience :)

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Herbie

    Finally roasted some 2 days ago. So easy to roast (I think) and currently tucked away waiting before opening.

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    Re: CS Bean Club October 09: Costa Rica Cafetalera Herbazu +Ethiopia Kuza

    Behmor Coffee Roaster
    Herbie...

    Well hooked in after day 4, getting better on day 6 but I think we were too early.

    Roasted some more yesterday to leave for longer and open after day 7 at least.

    Anyone else had a similar situation?



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