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    Help Please - Finalising Roaster Selection

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
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    I am looking at getting a coffee roaster this week for my wife for Christmas. Sort of something she has wanted to progress to for the last couple of years, but the whole popper/bead machine is not something that she would be up for.

    So I was content in getting her a Hottop, and with the bean probe and a its programming it will keep her out of my hair for days, weeks, months; maybe even years.

    But then there is the Behmor that Andy is talking about being available for christmas, and is there any other options (only really interested in products that have an Aus seller, at least keep some of the money local).

    Should I look away from the Hottop? Your perspective will be appreciated.

    - David.

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    I dont really roast at home much and in a large part thats because I havent been able to find a setup that really makes it easy for me. I liked the hottop the best of all of the gadgets that I have used so far because the cooling cycle makes everything fairly easy. The downside of the hottop is that you have to wait for the thing to cool between batches. I used a hottop D, which didnt give me much control - I imagine that the hottop B would be better. I found the whole monstrously long cooling thing to make the gene cafe more difficult to use than it needed to be. I dont know much about the behmor, but I seem to remember reading that the cooling takes a similar amount of time. If I were buying anything, it would be the quest m3 from Taiwan, though there is no local support. It looks like you can preheat to the drop temp that you want, adjust fan speed and temperature, roast back to back and cool pretty quickly. I imagine that the electric element will give the controls some lag, but I dont think that youre going to get gas heat control in a nicely put together package for anywhere near the price.

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    Hi Dave,

    Itll probably be hard to get much in the way of practical recommendations on the Behmor at this point as no-one actually has one, at least not the Australian spec versions. The Behmor is certainly at a very sharp price point, but from what I understand has none of the programmability of the Hottop.

    The Gene Cafe of course is another device worth considering; it does give you manual temperature control but only of the air going into the roaster - how that correlates to bean temperature is an unknown. I only mention that because youve mentioned youre looking at the bean mass probe on the Hottop so this is obviously of some importance to you.

    Out of the two options youve mentioned, if youre after a device that will roast beans for a good price and use it basically out of the box the Behmor may be worth consideration, though whether its ready in time for Christmas remains to be seen. Personally I would be waiting until there are some user reviews out there on a product before purchase but thats just me. If however youre wanting to get her something that gives the maximum amount of flexibility and control then despite the fact I sell the Hottop I dont think you can look past it. Weve got a special on them at the moment too - check the Pullman site sponsors area.

    Like most things, you gets what you pays for ;)

    Greg

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F4A5D5F484D5454555956380 link=1260697003/2#2 date=1260760851
    Itll probably be hard to get much in the way of practical recommendations on the Behmor at this point as no-one actually has one, at least not the Australian spec versions. The Behmor is certainly at a very sharp price point, but from what I understand has none of the programmability of the Hottop.
    Not exactly true, the Behmor is available, and is the Aust spec version.
    Plenty of reviews on reputable websites. No full review of Aust spec version yet. The Behmor is an attractive option but has limitations. Programmability is just one of them.

    If you wait just a little longer there may be more info that will help you make up your mind.

    As Luca mentions the Quest m3 from Taiwan is a great unit, but with no local support a bit risky. For a few dollars more the Hottop has it all, with local support. When trying something new it is handy to have a local give you that extra bit of advice and hand holding.

    Ultimately it depends on your budget!

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    Re: Help Please - Finalising Roaster Selection

    I found cooling between batches on the Hottop not too bad. By the time beans have cooled and I have blown chaff off em, stuffed around a bit, having left the filter sit out and hatch open, it only took around 5 mins or so of heavy fanning with a document folder to bring temp back down to around low 70s which was sufficient to feed into next batch.

    Dollar wise mine was no contest...I picked it up at the right price from another snobber. 8-)

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    If you remove the rear filter once the roast is ejected youll increase the air flow significantly and can normally get the temperature down to around 100C after the 5 minute bean cooling cycle. Leave the filter out when you start the next roast, itll then keep the fan going flat out until it drops to 73C. I normally try to pull it down further than that so the elements on for a couple of minutes before loading the beans.

    The other trick (ssssh) is to weigh your next batch of beans while the first lot are cooling. Once the beans are cold stop the cooling cycle then start the next roast as per above - as the drum temperature will still be around 100C it will go back into cooling cycle, but at this point drop your next lot of beans into the drum. The beans are cold so theyll absorb a lot of heat from the drum and pull the temp down quite quickly. Make sure you eject this roast just before the pre-heat cycle starts, then start your roast proper. Apart from saving a few minutes cooling the drum down via heat extraction only to have to heat it back up again, the beans will now be about 50 or so degrees which means they wont pull the drum temperature down as much as cold beans and you dont need as much initial heat in the drum - a common cause of subsequent roasts being a bit slower than the initial one.

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    Ooh thats a nifty little trick Greg! :)

    The couple of times i have done back to back roasts i carefully pulled the front off it while it was in its cooling cycle and stood a small "turbo" desk fan in front of it aimed straight into the drum..this combined with the removal of the chaff tray and rear filter cools it fairly quickly.

    Back to the topic though...

    Hottop all the way! If your wife has absolutely no roasting experience at all then the Behmor may keep her happy for a while but ultimately the Hottop is unrivaled in controllability and therefor profiling.

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    I got a the Quest M3 and couldnt be happier. I owned the Gene but IMO, not to say I am right, I always thought the roasts tasted "baked". The Quest M3 is a very good little roaster. You are able to tweak it to your liking, make adjustments on the fly and is a 100% manuel roaster. It does have its downfalls though, dont get me wrong. I feel the cooling isnt as good as the Hottop and even though it has no filters, you still need to clean the fan every 15-20 roasts. Another down fall is that it has no Aust dealers but that didnt bother me as it is a solid little unit and it looks just like a mini me big roaster.

    Anyway DaveL by the sounds of it I would agree with Greg in saying "you get what you pay for" and even though the Hottop is a little more expensive, it is a true all in one unit that requires little maintanence and will always give a consistant, back to back roast.

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    Re: Help Please - Finalising Roaster Selection

    Quote Originally Posted by 6174353335000 link=1260697003/8#8 date=1260779524
    I got a the Quest M3 and couldnt be happier.
    Hi Luvacap,

    Mind sharing some details about your purchasing experience?

    Ive just bought a 2nd hand Gene which Im enjoying at the moment, but my plan is to upgrade in the next 12 months when Im a little more flush. Im pretty convinced the modded Hottop is the roaster for me, however the more I see & hear about the Quest, the more Im interested.

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    Re: Help Please - Finalising Roaster Selection

    Quote Originally Posted by 78716060797871606079100 link=1260697003/9#9 date=1260781240
    Mind sharing some details about your purchasing experience?
    Sure I dont mind at all. I hope I dont tread on any toes in speaking of my experiences, if so please advise.
    So ok, It was a very easy transaction to be honest. I, like many, was sceptical about the whole purchase as no one has heard about or dealt with the company. Though I sent an email to the supplier and with 24hrs the ball was rolling. It was a simple transfer, which my bank recognised, so money was tracked the whole time. Once I transferred the money to the account, I had an email back within, again, 24hrs advising me.

    The unit took less than 10 days to be on my door step. The company sent me a parcel tracker, which was handy because I knew where the roaster was at any given time. To be honest, it was in Aust within 3 days of payment, and sat at customs for about the same. The only hold up I had was they needed to wait a couple of days for the 240v element to make the roaster, which I was informed of prior to payment. So to answer your question, my experience in purchasing the roaster was a very smooth affair.

    Iím more than happy to answer any question about the roaster, as I believe I would probably be the only one on this forum, within Aust that has one.

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    Re: Help Please - Finalising Roaster Selection

    Hey Greg, great tips!

    Cheers,
    Luca

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    Re: Help Please - Finalising Roaster Selection

    Great info and feedback.

    Thank you all.

    - David.

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    Behmor Coffee Roaster
    Quote Originally Posted by 7164252325100 link=1260697003/10#10 date=1260785573
    Iím more than happy to answer any question about the roaster, as I believe I would probably be the only one on this forum, within Aust that has one.
    All sounds good so far for you and Im reading plenty of good reports from those OS. For me though, Im not the most technical minded bloke *:-?, so Id be concerned with no local support.

    Anyone know if a sponsor is likely to pick up this range?



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