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    Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hello all,

    Lurker and site admirer deciding to join the fray (from cooooold afar)
    and plead for sound advice.
    Here goes...

    Me: Longtime coffee fan that got into small time home roasting (popcorn popper and attempted BBQ drum-fail!) to fuel my Ascaso Uno Pro.
    So, while I find my popcorn machine roasting nicely I find it inadequate in its capacity. I decide I want to grow as a roaster. I have access to an untapped market (work) that relies on tinned, stale coffee. I bring my stuff by and it goes down well. Then others ask for samples. More positive remarks. So I figure a sideline in roasting is whats called for.
    So I start looking at "commercial" and shop roasters. The sticker shock is, well, a shock. I figure I need a 5-10kilo machine to make a go at it...
    I was contacted by a fellow selling a 10 yr old 10kg drum machine. Selling for 1/2 the price of a new one.. In great shape..

    I start thinking "hey, thats what I need" then reality sets in. Bonehead (me) hasnt sold a bean. So I start looking at smaller roasters. What hits me is the cafemino. Looks small enough, 110V or 240V (got both in the shed) and propane cylinder fired. Price is 2K$ less than the used 10Kg machine and its brand new. However lower yield..

    So I still will roast for me, and learn through practice and roasting. I also want to be able to supply the lads at work (my unit goes through 4 kilos a week) and some friends here and there. Enough to pay off the machine, beans and bags etc. As I said it would be a sideline.

    As for the BBQ drum. -15 to -30c weather is a real deterrent. So do I pull the trigger and go big, or start off small (just in case it falls flat.. at least Id have a neato roaster!)
    Is the Cafemino capable of pulling off say 10-20 kilo weeks without having to sit at it for too many hours?

    Just asking cause im fired up!
    cheers

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Hi FYR, and welcome to CoffeeSnobs. Im an ex-Ontarian myself (Toronto and London)--where are you situated?

    I cant comment on the roasters themselves, but on the going commercial and other areas, I can.

    It really helps to have some commitment to purchases before spending up large if you can. The profit in roasting is enough to pay for the difference in roaster prices fairly quickly, as long as the discounts for friends dont get ridiculous.

    If you have to do 4+ roasts a week on the small machine just to keep up with company orders and friends, and work at the same time, and roast for yourself, I suspect that that could grow old really fast.

    Warning--going commercial can take a lot of fun out of any hobby.

    What would be the minimum roast in the 10kg machine? Will you be able to do a personal quantity in it?--You may very well want to roast some special beans for yourself.

    Greg

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Quote Originally Posted by 0C392E2C1C2439262A272F4B0 link=1261189109/1#1 date=1261195762
    as long as the discounts for friends dont get ridiculous.
    I charge everyone full price. :P

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Quote Originally Posted by 0539243F353423363E35510 link=1261189109/2#2 date=1261199920
    I charge everyone full price.Tongue
    Ill remember that next time you come to the shop! ;D


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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Quote Originally Posted by 76575C5C5B41320 link=1261189109/3#3 date=1261200015
    Quote Originally Posted by 0539243F353423363E35510 link=1261189109/2#2 date=1261199920
    I charge everyone full price.Tongue
    Ill remember that next time you come to the shop! *;D

    Gold!! ;D

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Quote Originally Posted by 79585353544E3D0 link=1261189109/3#3 date=1261200015
    Ill remember that next time you come to the shop!
    I seem to remember telling you your prices were too low.
    I have no issue with your prices Den; even since youve put up the price of your roasted beans.
    They are excellent and well worth the drive and the price.

    May I still get the free conversation or will you be charging me now?

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Not off topic (I think) but if it is kick me off by all means, but how much are people charging currently?. I am doing a similar thing (getting close to purhasing a 5kg HG).

    This maybe useful to you too FYR and welcome to CS :)

    Chris

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Any advice is helpful what people are charging etc.. I figure there would be discount to friends (who knows, maybe a lend lease program for friends with Cigars :D)

    Greg, Im an ex-Montrealer now living in Ottawa.
    I dont want the hobby to grow old as I want to be in front of whatever machine I get learning and getting involved. As for smallest batches on the 10kg, I think the smallest would be 3.


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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Another thing to consider, especially living in a big city, are local codes. Most cities now require the use of an afterburner on roasters over a certain size. At 10kg you would probably be well into the size requiring an afterburner. An afterburner can cost as much as the roaster to buy and 4 times or even more to operate.


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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Hey Java
    Ive looked all over for my citys bylaw regarding this afterburner issue and there is none. I even called a contractor about installing venting and he only quotes code for exhaust sizes and minimun heights and that was for gas ranges et al. He had never heard of a gas coffee roaster! Also where I plan and when I plan to use the roaster is key to not pissing the neighbours off (also free coffee may help). I suspect the reasoning for not having anything in place is that everyone and their uncle has a wood burning fireplace to keep warm. Hell I even have an old school wood burning stove in the kitchen. All winter long you can smell the smoke wafting along the block.

    But as you said the bigger unit will pump out the smoke and it is an issue worth considering. My air popper really smoked out the place (I brought it to work one day and fired it up in a big garage) and thats a wee machine!

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    As for price, on our home-roasting set up, we worked out our total costs including everything except labour to be about AU$17 per kg. The going rate for freshly roasted, premium beans is somewhere around AU$40/kg. As unwise as it is, we felt bad charging mates $40/kg, so we settled on double cost price ($34/kg). From a marketing point of view, this is dumb for two reasons! 1) Your mates will spread the word based on this price point and the definition of "your mate" will stretch out of control... 2) Its unfortunately the case that a "specialty" product must be at a "specialty" price-point, or else your product will look cheap and undesirable. Sounds cynical, but thats apparently how we consumers make decisions!

    So, charge what the others charge, unless youre aiming for a cut-price market.

    Cheers
    Stuart.

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg


    I doubt you could ever make money (or even a very good hourly income) on a 1kg roaster.

    You can prob do a 2.5kg (green) roast in the 10kg roaster which will yeild 2kg of coffee.

    If you can run the 10kg (taking smoke output, space required etc into account) then do so, its a good size and the running costs will be similar with some flexability in the output size. It will be big enough to run a small roasting business where the 1kg will only ever really be big enough for your own roasting.


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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Thanks Gents
    I havent put a price on the kgs here yet. However for comparison I usually bought my beans at a place that charged 24$ Cdn for 1kg (Blasser cafe). Howevetr that was awhile ago and before I roasted for myself.
    I am leaning towards the bigger machine and most probably put an offer on it today (conditional on seeing it run).
    Gona be an interest new year!

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    Good luck and keep us up to date ;)

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    Offer is in. Waiting for the reply.
    Damn Im antsy!

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Well Here it is.
    Chaff collector, exhaust tubes and all. Its LPG and Ill hook that up soon. Going to start off with a BBQ bottle first then move to a bigger bottle when I can afford it!


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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    could you please attach a photo to the post as well as the link to photobucket......cant see it at work, keen to see the goods! ;D

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Hi fyr

    It looks great! Nice and shiny brass/copper :-)
    Congratulations.
    It may take you a bit of time and practice but you will be able to roast some wonderful coffee.

    Mike

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    Very pretty!

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    Very nice all the best :)

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Ill try linky a pic. I am at works as well now and no can do from here!

    Itll be interesting going from popcorn machine to bbq drum to this. I was looking at a cafemino but this came up on my radar and I jumped.. Fingers crossed and Ill report back here with my follies!

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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Quote Originally Posted by 4145637A7A7F607778160 link=1261189109/16#16 date=1263430083
    could you please attach a photo to the post as well as the link to photobucket......cant see it at work, keen to see the goods! ;D


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    Re: Require advice-used 10kg roaster or new 1kg

    Wooooooooohoooooooo! Shes a beaut! Im so so jealous!

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    Behmor Coffee Roaster
    Im interested now! We want (Im assuming we here..) more pictures of your setup!



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