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    The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Heres a piccie of my first batch roasted in my nearly new Hottop-B:


    Peru Ceja de Selva Estate.

    First crack 5:00min, rolling by 4:23 (temp 194)
    Not sure if I hit second crack by the roast end at 20:00min

    I think about CS9.

    Ambient temperature in the garage was about 15!, but the probe said the beans got to about 205.

    Now sitting in a recycled bag with valve.

    So....when can I grind and start drinking? *About 5 days?

    Given the CS9 level can I expect it to be a little more acidic?

    Cheers

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    In theory one can sample the coffee every day to judge on what day it suits or tingles your taste buds

    That s the day it will be right for you ;)

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4A6E676764645E4A6E726C6E010 link=1277509659/1#1 date=1277511555
    In theory one can sample the coffee every day to judge on what day it suits or tingles your taste buds

    That s the day it will be right for you * ;)

    KK
    So whats the message KK? devote the whole day to pulling (and drinking) shots with whatever is left from the batch, I can just see it 300 grams and 16 shots later bouncing off the walls like a super ball. :D

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 213F272A3C3F24254B0 link=1277509659/0#0 date=1277509659
    Heres a piccie of my first batch roasted in my nearly new Hottop-B:


    Peru Ceja de Selva Estate.

    First crack 5:00min, rolling by 4:23 (temp 194)
    Not sure if I hit second crack by the roast end at 20:00min

    I think about CS9.

    Ambient temperature in the garage was about 15!, but the probe said the beans got to about 205.

    Now sitting in a recycled bag with valve.

    So....when can I grind and start drinking? *About 5 days?

    Given the CS9 level can I expect it to be a little more acidic?

    Cheers

    James
    Photos can be deceptive James but this roast looks quite a bit lighter than 9 to me, more like a 6 or 7. :)

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 437F766E7B1A0 link=1277509659/2#2 date=1277518574
    So whats the message KK? devote the whole day to pulling (and drinking) shots with whatever is left from the batch, I can just see it 300 grams and 16 shots later bouncing off the walls like a super ball.

    I call it a Win - Win situation

    Roast more and Drink more *:D

    I did however say test daily ! not hourly :D

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 78444D5540210 link=1277509659/3#3 date=1277518794
    Photos can be deceptive James but this roast looks quite a bit lighter than 9 to me, more like a 6 or 7. *
    Yeah i agree Jon..

    So to answer your question SniffCoffee ....
    Quote Originally Posted by 4B554D4056554E4F210 link=1277509659/0#0 date=1277509659
    Given the CS9 level can I expect it to be a little more acidic?
    I would have to say yes with a roast depth of that color. Not that South American coffee are renowned for hight acidity like an African but it will certainly be a lot brighter.

    If i read right, it was a 20:00 minutes roast? With a color that light i suspect it may have stalled somewhere along the line? But color can be deceiving also.

    May i ask what the starting temp was when you added the greens to the Hottop? And what was the batch size in and out?
    Im a Hottoper myself and i may be able to share some things i have learnt about it :)

    I would be inclined to try it straight away. If it tastes like coffee then you should be fine a few days from now :)

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 756B737E686B70711F0 link=1277509659/0#0 date=1277509659
    First crack 5:00min, rolling by 4:23 (temp 194)
    Not sure if I hit second crack by the roast end at 20:00min
    Im confussicated *:-?

    First crack only after 5 mins... * That must be counting down to 20 mins yeah?

    Bit of a noob question Im sure, since no one else has said anything! :-[

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    I had a laugh i would suspect that yes...the 5 minutes was what was remaining on the clock.

    Otherwise 15 minutes from first crack till the time it was ejected seems a bit long to me :D :o ::)

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    The Hottop B timer counts down from whatever time you set it, up to 25 minutes. The default time (on mine anyway) is 18 min.

    I usually try mine every couple of days up till about day 6, then its daily.

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Thanks for the suggestions!

    Sorry, first crack was 5:00 left on the timer, so 15 minutes into the roast. *250g went in, I forgot to weigh them afterwards.

    Temp at the time of putting the beans in was 75 degrees.

    I have a feeling the roast stalled - probably because it was only 15 degrees outside! *I followed Greg Pullmans demo roast on his website and adjusted the heat and fan accordingly, but in the last six minutes the temp on the Hottop-B only went up 6 degrees, finishing at 196 at ejection time. *I was going to extend but liked the colour of the beans. *The probe showed the bean temp went up to 205.

    I went along to the roasting demo at Cosmorex today - but didnt think to bring along some roasted beans to show Attilio and Michael. *Had a great session and as a bonus got to take home a huge bag of roasted beans from the demo - so I think Ill have to try a blend! *;D


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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    As far as trying the roast is concerned--I usually wait at least until it is cool. ::)

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7C627A7761627978160 link=1277509659/9#9 date=1277545540
    I went along to the roasting demo at Cosmorex today - but didnt think to bring along some roasted beans to show Attilio and Michael.
    The Guys at CosmoreX would be a trove of information for you as Atillio has been in the games for a very long time.

    If your worried about times then its better to go too fast than too slow. Thats how i approach it anyway.

    When i get some greens i have never tried before this is usually what i do...

    Drop beans it at 75c with heat on 100% and fan on 0%
    Once i see some steam rising from the bean chute i turn the fan on to 25%
    Once i know that 1st crack is just about to start i reduce heat the 80%
    When 1st crack begins i turn the fan onto 50% and heat down to 50%
    Let it coast along to the first snap of second crack and eject.

    From there i will taste and attempt to figure out what(if any) changes i need to make.

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B5E494B7B435E414D40482C0 link=1277509659/10#10 date=1277547372
    I usually wait at least until it is cool.
    Delayed gratification, an unusual quality in this day and age. :D

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Not all that delayed Jon. 8-)

    With my new cooler (the sieve, bucket and vacuum cleaner) the beans are cool within a minute! ;D

    Greg

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 73465153635B4659555850340 link=1277509659/13#13 date=1277603802
    With my new cooler (the sieve, bucket and vacuum cleaner) the beans are cool within a minute!
    Great stuff Greg, having a decent cooler certainly simplifies things doesnt it. :)

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Had the first cup on Monday afternoon, so roughly 2 days after the roast.

    Nice...but not much aroma or flavour.

    Second cup this morning - more flavour, more aroma as I opened the bag.

    I had made the mistake of opening the bag each morning to have a sniff...so will restrain myself to using the beans every other day, alternating with the CosmoreX freebie beans. *So I should be able to see how each batch ages, given they were roasted within a couple of hours of each other on Saturday morning.

    James *:)

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 48564E4355564D4C220 link=1277509659/15#15 date=1277856512
    I had made the mistake of opening the bag each morning to have a sniff.
    Instead of opening just give the bag a light squeeze and sniff what comes out of the one way valve, easy. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1F232A3227460 link=1277509659/16#16 date=1277856994
    nstead of opening just give the bag a light squeeze and sniff what comes out
    Ya... with road kill... This will make ya head turn right round :-)

    At one time... Opps another topic I think...

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    She just smiles and says that just the smell of good coffee can make ya day start better...

    Got confused in Mel and after lunch and standing in the cold and teh rain... Took a big sniff of my coffee and it was heavenly.. Gave teh cup a swirl as it was low.... Then took that final gulp.


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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 143B32302718343B34323038303B21550 link=1277509659/17#17 date=1277859009
    DONt drink the MUD
    Did ya? :o

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    Batch number 2 and the search for second crack!

    Ive been working my way through the first batch and have but a few spoonfuls left (as Ive been also trying to get through my Cosmorex bonus beans mentioned above *;) ) but this afternoon tried the second batch, this time using Brazilian pulped natural.

    250g in, First crack at 200, both on Hottop and one the probe.

    Now, still didnt reach second crack...at the probe saying around 218 the Hottop started beeping at me and shut down the fan and the heating element...back to the manual. *So I ejected... :-/

    210g after roasting.

    Heres a piccie of batch number 2:

    Looks lighter to me - nowhere near city roast.

    Anyway, its going in a bag for a week.

    The last beans of the first roast still make a cracking cup of coffee. *I wonder whether their post-roast shelf life is extended by the milder roast..? *:-?

    The Cosmorex beans are starting to sprout a few little beads of oil...but they definitely reached second crack.

    Your thoughts or suggestions for the next batch appreciated!

    Sniff *:)

    EDIT: As I typed this a distant bell rang in the back of my head...checking the manual, it was the auto-safety feature of the Hottop warning me about hitting 210 degrees environmental temp... ::)


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    Batch #3: Ethiopian Gambella Sundried

    Hmmm....kids in bed, wife in bed, nothing on the telly...

    time for a roast!

    Into the lucky dip of my CS starter pack, out with some Gambella Sundried.


    250g in, 210 grams out.

    Ambient temperature 8 degrees! Thats Canberra for you at 9.30 in the evening.

    First crack 200c, still not sure if I hit second crack, possibly rolled straight on into it.

    Ejected when the bean probe said 225c on the dot, although the Hottop said the ET was on about 205c.

    What do you say, about a CS 9-10?

    Its gone in a bag for a week, not to be touched...

    Sniff




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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    beautiful photo:D might be the lighting:S the beans look different shades?

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    Youre right - the Gambella beans did vary a lot in shade - some look lighter because theres chaff still on them.

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Think the uneven roasting is common with the Gambella.

    Previous roast of the Gambella was also uneven for me.

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    First cup of the Gambella roast was tried this morning...

    Very smooth - chocolatey too. I think the extra darkness of the roast makes a difference, quite pleased with myself for getting it a nice 9-10 colour.

    This roast makes me appreciate how acidic (but not unpleasant) the earlier roasts were.

    I had a coffee at a local Italian restaurant last week...and was distinctly underwhelmed. I think I could taste staleness, perhaps the grinds had been sitting in the doser too long?

    This is what coffeesnobs has done to me!!! ;D

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B455D5046455E5F310 link=1277509659/24#24 date=1281217196

    I had a coffee at a local Italian restaurant last week...and was distinctly underwhelmed. *I think I could taste staleness, perhaps the grinds had been sitting in the doser too long?

    This is what coffeesnobs has done to me!!! *;D

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    The joys of being a Coffeesnob Sniff, you will become very discerning and critical when having coffee at cafes and restaurants getting to the stage where you will abstain and then race home for a quality home brew ;) ::) ::) :) :) :)

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6F7A6D6D66656966080 link=1277509659/25#25 date=1281251472
    Quote Originally Posted by 5B455D5046455E5F310 link=1277509659/24#24 date=1281217196

    I had a coffee at a local Italian restaurant last week...and was distinctly underwhelmed. *I think I could taste staleness, perhaps the grinds had been sitting in the doser too long?

    This is what coffeesnobs has done to me!!! *;D

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    The joys of being a Coffeesnob Sniff, you will become very discerning and critical when having coffee at cafes and restaurants getting to the stage where you will abstain and then race home for a quality home brew ;) ::) ::) :) :) :)
    Yea and after a while it rubs off. Even my wife no longer has a coffee after we eat out... * She will look at me and say "Shall we chance it ? " AND depending on where we are etc... * We may; as it is the great way to end a dinner. *However, if were are in doubt we dont bother; as bad coffee can just spoil the whole evening..

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Tonights roast...Venezuelan San Cristobal.

    Ejected just on the start of second crack, bean probe temp just hit 225.

    In the bag for at least a couple of days...but the Ethiopian Gambella has nearly run out....hmmmmm *::)




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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Guatemala Huehuetenango...


    Slightly disrupted roast. *Beans ejected well before first crack....

    So I chucked them back in and tried again.




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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?


    India Mysore Nuggets Extra Bold.

    I tried to get the enviromental temperature and beanprobe temp to cross over at a low temp, but despite keeping the heat low for the first half of the roast, they still crossed just before first crack, ie around 200c.




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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 455B434E585B40412F0 link=1277509659/29#29 date=1283765355
    I tried to get the ET and beanprobe temp to cross over at a low temp
    First tip...
    read less n roast more.
    Not everything you read is correct, but everything you taste is! I have seen some pretty whacky "expect opinions" posted on the web over the years and at the end of the day the results that you can taste carry far more weight.

    Second tip...
    Use less TLAs in your posts for readability (for everyone)

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    om/images/M/MV5BMTc1NTQ0MTUyNF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDYzMDU2Mw@@._ V1._SX90_SY140_.jpg[/img]

    ;D


    Your roasts are looking good from here.
    I can see a little bit of tipping (slightly burnt ends) on the beans so you might be starting off a tad too hot (or it could be just the photos / light that I can see).

    You are certainly on track to getting some great coffee though.


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    TLA removed from previous post... ::)

    Thanks for the tips Andy. *Were about halfway through the huehuetenango, and its a cracking bean! * ;D *(you need a smiley for bad puns).

    Ill be very curious to see what the Nuggets tastes like when we reach it on the weekend.

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    Another Tuesday night....another roast. ;)

    Tonights beans, straight from the Snobbery (less than 48 hours from ordering to delivery!) are PNG Wahgi AA.

    Tonight I took a leisurely stroll up to first crack, with it not occurring until 18 minutes into the roast. I kept the heat around the 70% mark for most of the roast. I managed to get the environmental temperature and probe temperature to cross at 193 degrees.

    First crack as usual on 200 degrees, with rolling at around 204 degrees. I dropped the heat back and cranked up the fan, and ejected when the bean probe hit 225 degrees on the dot.

    I think Ive managed my first CS10 roast with this one... see the photo.

    Quite pleased with myself. ::)


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    Quote Originally Posted by 3B253D3026253E3F510 link=1277509659/32#32 date=1284460751
    I think Ive managed my first CS10 roast with this one... see the photo.

    Quite pleased with myself. * ::)
    And perhaps even as far as CS11.... Nice and even though and with the gentle ramp to 1st-Crack lots of interesting flavours should be preserved 8-)

    Let us know how it turns out in the cup Sniff.... ;)

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    This afternoons roast.... Ethiopian Yirgacheffe Special Prep.

    Interesting small size bean...and just as Andy warns the colour rapidly darkened just after first crack. I ejected with the beanprobe showing about 217 degrees, and a fair bit of smoke.

    May have overdone it a bit.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 425C44495F5C4746280 link=1277509659/34#34 date=1285579461
    May have overdone it a bit.
    Looks good to me mate.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    By the way, how did the PNG Wahgi AA turn out?

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    Its going very nicely thanks Mal - lots of cocoa, the morning cuppa is like a nice hot chocolate! Ill definitely try to roast it a bit lighter the next time and see what difference that makes. ;)

    Looking through the thread its interesting to note the steady increase in colour on the Coffesnobs scale, peaking with the Wahgi, I think todays roast looks a bit lighter, maybe a CS9?

    Son #1, now a seasoned roaster of 3 roasts (at 7 years old), reckons todays could have done with a bit longer in the Hottop!

    Well see whether his view is proved true in a couple of days...

    James

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    Re: The first batch! When can I drink it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A445C5147445F5E300 link=1277509659/36#36 date=1285594896
    Son #1, now a seasoned roaster of 3 roasts (at 7 years old), reckons todays could have done with a bit longer in the Hottop!

    Well see whether his view is proved true in a couple of days...

    James
    Excellent stuff James... 8-)

    Nothing like having an apprentice trained up to take over when the master retires. So, when does your apprenticeship end.... ;D

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