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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    My starter pack showed up yesterday. I tried a couple of roasts (wok on the bbq sideburner) yesterday afternoon but they didnt turn out very good. They came out really uneven. The side of the bean with the asscrack (Im a newbie and dont know the correct term* :-[) was burnt but the rounded side was underdone.

    A friend suggested using a lid and shaking the beans (I was stirring previously) so I gave it a try this morning. The roast came out much better. Im really looking forward to tasting it.

    Attached are some pics of my attempts so far.

    This is fun!* :)

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    Thats still better than my first attempt on a popper.
    I burnt mine.

    Am sure someone will come along and provide the correct term for the "asscrack" of the bean so we are all enlightened.

    An example of a newbie way of roasting is to get a steel dog bowl, a whisk and heatgun and have a go at that.

    Another way is to get a popcorn maker n give the beans a whirl, literally ;D

    Let us know how those beans taste.

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    Thanks Ill give the heatgun a try. Ive been looking for a popper but havent found any at the local shops. Ill keep looking.

    I couldnt wait to taste them so I made up a couple of brews in the aeropress. The first batch is not so nice. It has an ashy aftertaste. But this mornings roast is really nice. Way better than the supermarket beans that I am used to.

    BTW beans are the Peru something something Estate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1039353A2D2A3F34392A580 link=1315962493/0#0 date=1315962493
    asscrack
    I had a laugh

    Looking pretty good there. The improvement between the 2 is huge. Id say the second batch would taste quite nice. If the beans you have are the peru ceja de selva for me they were really great at 2 weeks (if you can wait that long!) as an espresso. The only reason I waited is I had no machine to use them as it was at the repair shop.

    Keep going with the roasting - it can be incredibly satisfying and a real art (which I certainly havent even begun to master). Can I also suggest a link to this site, its a visual guide to roasting which might help you accurately achieve the result you are looking for http://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting-VisualGuideV2.php

    Well done though.

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    1st-Crack, 2nd-Crack and now Ass-Crack... Where will it end... ;D ;D

    For what its worth, Ive seen the crack on the flat side of the bean referred to as the "crease".... Ass-Crack is definitely more descriptive though :P 8-)

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    I prefer "asscrack". At least us jovial aussies can get away with it here. If its done overseas they may take it the wrong way haha ;D

    OT, i like the fact we have the colour rating like C7 or C9, rather than full city, full+ roast, small village, megacity etc.

    The Peru needs a weeks rest for the colour profile u provided.

    You will also find the aromas more evident after a week too.

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    Good first effort. Like others, I did nothing on my first go in mu popper but fill the kitchen with smoke. Whod ahve thought roasting beans would produce smoke. :o

    Ive since upgrade to a larger popper and now roast outside, but it is an interesting experience.

    Keep at it.

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    Thanks for the link Pretzal. Some really helpful info in there.

    And thanks for the encouragement guys* :)

    That last batch is all gone! I just couldnt help myself. It was just so good compared to what I usually drink. I just finished roasting another batch so Ill test my patience and see if I can let it sit for a week.

    I had another search for that elusive popper but didnt have any luck. Ive tried Big W, Kmart, and Target. But I didnt come home empty handed. I bought an omelete maker and used it for this last roast. It worked a lot better than the wok. The roast is a lot more even. And its much easier on the arm* :)

    This latest batch was 75g of the same Peru beans I used before.

    Are there magic time windows that I should be aiming to hit 1st and 2nd crack? Todays roast took quite a long time (~25min) because the Norwesterly was wreaking havoc with the flame. Will this have a negative effect on the beans?

    Attached are some more pics.

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    I got mine from Aldi, Jordan. If they still have them, they work well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37392A3D3F3439253D500 link=1315962493/8#8 date=1316059024
    I got mine from Aldi, Jordan. If they still have them, they work well.
    Thanks. We just started shopping at Aldi (only been there 3 times) but I havent seen any popcorn makers yet :(

    Oh well, this little omelette maker should keep me entertained for a while.

    Im out of the Peru beans. Might try a different type this evening. I have Vietnam Son La Arabica, Brazil Yellow Bourbon, and Ethiopia Ghimbi. Any recommendations on what I should try next?

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    Great work Hamburglar, the omelette maker seems to be working well for you, those beans look very good.

    If you motorise that omelette maker (ala the baby roaster) you could gain fame and adulation across the coffee community as the inventor of the HAR (Hamburglar "Asscrack" Roaster).

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    Asscrack Roaster sounds like something from one of those American chili cook-offs.

    I just tried another batch in the little omelette maker. 100g of Vietnam Son La Arabica.

    Did I mention I was having fun? ;D

    Question- Does it matter that the chaff is in there getting roasted with the beans? Will it ruin the flavour?

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    Another great couple of roasts the HB... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Re: the chaff...
    It might (or may not) introduce a slight smoky flavour to the beans but so long as it doesnt catch fire in there, it should be fine. I guess you could drill some small holes around the pans to allow smoke to escape, and help to give you some cues on the progress of the roast.

    H.A.R. Love it.... ;D ;D 8-)

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    asscrack... that left a wide grin on my face for a few minutes tonight

    roasts look good and consistent though, never heard of an omlette maker used for coffee but looking good

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    Looks like a great result Hamburglar. That little omelette maker seems to do the trick well.

    Maybe you could paint the white egg on the handle brown, and draw an ass crack on it. ;D


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    Quote Originally Posted by 636A66646933050 link=1315962493/14#14 date=1316087964
    Maybe you could paint the white egg on the handle brown, and draw an ass crack on it.* ;D*
    giggled like a schoolgirl! ;D

    Thought Id add a bit more smoke to the air here in Canberra (last nights explosions scared the piss out of me :o). 100g of Brazil Yellow Bourbon. Again done in the omelette maker over the BBQ side burner. They seem to be coming out quite consistent.

    Thanks Mal for the info about the chaff. I dont think its catching fire in there. But Im not 100% sure as theres hardly any chaff left in there at the end of the roast. Some of it manages to work its way out between the two pan halves. And that stuff is definitely unburnt, it ignites as soon as it hits the burner flame.

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    Shouldnt that be LMACO ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2A303D3C2E38202A2A590 link=1315962493/5#5 date=1316009892
    I prefer "asscrack". At least us jovial* aussies can get away with it here. If its done overseas they may take it the wrong way haha ;D

    OT, i like the fact we have the colour rating like C7 or C9, rather than full city, full+ roast, small village, megacity etc.
    I am impressed with the results of using an omelet pan - that looks like a great idea. I know someone who wants to a gentle way to get into roasting.

    More OT - is there any way someone in the USA can get those nifty CS colored cards for taking photos. I think it would be better than our usual descriptive jargon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4C5F4A585E2D0 link=1315962493/16#16 date=1316158530
    Shouldnt that be LMACO* ;D
    Pure gold! ;D

    Hopefully someone can answer the question about getting the cards OS.

    I did another couple of roasts this arvo. First try with the Ethiopia Ghimbi. The 2nd crack caught me by surprise and I didnt get the beans dumped until about 20sec into it. I tried a second batch and managed to catch it on the first snap of 2nd crack. These roasts dont look as even as the other batches I have done. Even though I did everything the same :-?

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    I just buried my nose in the Ghimbi jars. Wow! :o I think Im in love!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1306130E121B610 link=1315962493/17#17 date=1316227114
    is there any way someone in the USA can get those nifty CS colored cards for taking photos. I think it would be better than our usual descriptive jargon.
    Best bet would be to email Andy mate. He rarely reads PMs as theres just no time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4D646867707762696477050 link=1315962493/18#18 date=1316233782
    These roasts dont look as even as the other batches I have done. Even though I did everything the same :-?
    Nothing to worry about there Jordan. Ghimbi and other (dry processed) Ethiopians, Yemenis, etc can end up with a slightly uneven roast colour and is nothing to do with your prowess as a home-roaster.

    Yes, they do have a wonderful aroma. Wait til you try some in the cup... ::) Mmmm-mm. Just beautiful.... 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0029252A3D3A2F24293A480 link=1315962493/19#19 date=1316237984
    I just buried my nose in the Ghimbi jars. Wow!* * I think Im in love!
    Caution! Slippery slope ahead! Youll start to do back-to-back roasts to get enough to last past 2 days, then youll want a bigger roaster, then youll start to have trouble hiding the bean stash.... ;D

    Seriously: Ethiopian beans are addictive. As Mal said though - they are rather uneven. Dont worry. The photos of your roasts look fantastic.

    If I were you Id seriously consider roasting a few batches to get the bean quantity up a bit then taste the roasted beans daily till theyre gone. Write some notes on how they taste - even some tables with ticks in columns marked "acidic", "sharp", "chocolate", etc etc. If you do that youll have a pretty simple guide to the best number of days to leave the beans unmolested. Then all you need to do is to roast enough beans to get to that point ;)

    I wish my initial roasts looked as even as yours! Great stuff!!

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by 392C392438314B0 link=1315962493/17#17 date=1316227114
    is there any way someone in the USA can get those nifty CS colored cards
    /\/You can make your own, look at:
    http://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/ViewProduct.aspx/111-cs-membership-cards

    http://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/ViewProduct.aspx/112-replacement-membership-card

    and print it out.

    They are on several other pages at this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7C697C617D740E0 link=1315962493/17#17 date=1316227114
    More OT - is there any way someone in the USA can get those nifty CS colored cards for taking photos. I think it would be better than our usual descriptive jargon.
    I would suggest an e-mail to Andy (not a PM) to see what can be done.
    A replacement card can be ordered for $AU5
    http://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/ViewProduct.aspx/112-replacement-membership-card
    And the postage on the card should not be prohibitive, so ask Andy and see what he says.
    Andy[AT]coffee... you know the rest.

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    Re: First Attempts at Roasting. Failure and success!

    Hi All Roasted my first Monsoon Malabar this morning. What a bitch to roast.

    Slow slow slow BANG oh it hit 2nd crack already. Where the hell did that come from.

    I use an iRoast 2.
    160 - 2min
    180 - 2min
    200 - 2min
    160 - 5min

    Knowing it would do the full 11 mins inthe roaster i had fully expected to hit cool about 2-3 mins into the last 160 cycle.

    So what happened in reality ?
    I had read a little about it prior to roasting. Tips i had were - Start slow. Easy into 1st and then up to almost 2nd and drop the heat and let it coast....Also advised the beans are bigger and reduce the amount to allow them to jump around etc.

    Ok so we hit the GO button.
    Warm day here in Brissy.
    And were off. The temp hits 182 with 9mins left on the clock. Although i am not sure that the temp is really that accurate.
    Hear the first crack at about 200 deg and 6:33 to go. this continues for about 1 min.
    The tem hits 209 with 5 mins to go and then slowly drops to 205 at 4min and then BANG 2nd Crack starts.
    I cool it there and it runs the 4min cool down .. meen while the beans are slowly cooking and i can hear them screeming .

    The result......
    i took 2 photos
    First was taken outside with natural light
    then i saw that other had the CS Card next tot he beens and i thought what a great idea so took a second (inside with Flash)


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    Re: First Attempts at Roasting. Failure and success!

    Second Photo With Card


    Yes they are the same beans :)


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    Re: First Attempts at Roasting. Failure and success!

    Quote Originally Posted by 7071763B0 link=1315962493/22#22 date=1316299737
    Caution!* Slippery slope ahead!* Youll start to do back-to-back roasts to get enough to last past 2 days, then youll want a bigger roaster, then youll start to have trouble hiding the bean stash.... ;D*

    Seriously: Ethiopian beans are addictive.* As Mal said though - they are rather uneven.* Dont worry.* The photos of your roasts look fantastic.*

    If I were you Id seriously consider roasting a few batches to get the bean quantity up a bit then taste the roasted beans daily till theyre gone.* Write some notes on how they taste - even some tables with ticks in columns marked "acidic", "sharp", "chocolate", etc etc.* If you do that youll have a pretty simple guide to the best number of days to leave the beans unmolested.* Then all you need to do is to roast enough beans to get to that point* ;)

    I wish my initial roasts looked as even as yours!* Great stuff!!

    Cheers
    /Kevin
    Thanks Kevin. A daily tasting sounds much better for my sanity than trying to hold off for a week :)

    Im off to brew up a cup..............................

    Cheers,

    Jordan

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3E392C3A37210769616161580 link=1315962493/24#24 date=1316317305
    I would suggest an e-mail to Andy (not a PM) to see what can be done.
    A replacement card can be ordered for $AU5
    http://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/ViewProduct.aspx/112-replacement-membership-card
    And the postage on the card should not be prohibitive, so ask Andy and see what he says.
    Andy[AT]coffee... you know the rest.

    Brett.
    Good idea - I will just order a color coded card ... UPDATE - No go on my order - does not allow for USA addresses.

    I tried sending an email to Andy, but got this failure response - I have no idea what this means!

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    Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

    <andy@coffeesnobs.au>:
    No MX or A records for coffeesnobs.au

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    Quote Originally Posted by 55405548545D270 link=1315962493/28#28 date=1316356780
    Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

    <andy@coffeesnobs.au>:
    No MX or A records for coffeesnobs.au
    Hey rgrosz78,

    Try the same but with coffeesnobs.com.au instead of coffeesnobs.au

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0D38373E36590 link=1315962493/29#29 date=1316357640
    Quote Originally Posted by 55405548545D270 link=1315962493/28#28 date=1316356780
    Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

    <andy@coffeesnobs.au>:
    No MX or A records for coffeesnobs.au
    Hey rgrosz78,

    Try the same but with coffeesnobs.com.au instead of coffeesnobs.au

    Cheers
    All I can say is - DUUUUH. Thanks, mate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 383F2A3C3127016F6767675E0 link=1315962493/24#24 date=1316317305
    Andy[AT]coffee... you know the rest.
    Hmm. One should never assume hey?

    I didnt think just ordering it would work as the system is not geared up to send beans overseas, but hopefully you will be able to contact Andy now and get something sorted.

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    I did a couple more roasts with the omelette maker today. I tried putting in 1 cup of beans (didnt weigh beforehand but it came out at ~150g after roasting) and it seemed a bit easier. Not sure why. Maybe the bigger pile of beans holds the heat better. Or maybe Im just getting more familiar with the process.

    The roasts I did last week are tasting good. My favourites are the Peru and the Ghimbi.

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    Hi did my first roast to day a Ethiopian Harrar in a breville
    popcorn crazy popper the roast took 36 minutes and came out nice and dark. was checking it every minute as did not want to end up with burnt beans as this was my first time roasting it turned out really nice. I did not hear first or second crack but I think this was because of the noise of the popcorn maker sounds like a jet engine .

    also the weather this way was raining very hard and the roast was done out in the shed so had lots of moisture around which must have slowed the roast. after cooling the beans sat them for two hours then hand ground them in the porket and made a nice black espresso it tasted wonderful and I could smell vanilla tones and chocolate in the ground coffee.
    also the taste had earthy tones will be interesting to see how the coffee tastes after a couple of days yum.

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    36 minutes? Im getting Second crack starting at about 9 minutes, with me pulling the roast at 12...

    How on earth are you able to extend the roast out past 15 minutes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3F200D213E2720222B520 link=1315962493/33#33 date=1319687248
    Hi* did my first roast to day a Ethiopian Harrar* in a breville
    popcorn crazy popper the roast took 36 minutes and came out nice and dark.
    I hope thats a typo.
    I do 1 kg at a time in my BBQ and anything beyond 20 minutes has a good chance of being either baked or charcoal.

    Poppers usually struggle to cope with more than ~100 grams and are usually complete within 10 minutes.

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    Hi fatboy and Laughing@Fate

    was using a secondhand popcorn maker rated at 1200 watts

    looks old as hell my old watch must have given up the ghost or the popcorn maker is not putting out the heat that quick as I noticed no smell or any smoke at all from it will go and buy a proper kitchen timer and then I will no if its the old popcorn maker or not ;D



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