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    Breadmaker Mods - Corretto

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    Hi guys,

    After a long break from home made espresso I'm back. I had been using my stove top coffee maker for a few years after my Via Venezia died but a month ago I took the plunge at bought a VBM Jnr from Di Bartoli's and I am once again well and truly addicted to my espresso machine.

    So addicted in fact I have decided to start home roasting due to the amount of beans I am going through every week. I picked up a Breadman breadmaker from Salvo's yesterday and am going to get it rewired so the paddle spins non stop but I couldn't find any information on whether people isolate the heating element aswell or is the extra heat not an issue.

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    Sully

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    Hi Sully
    Welcome! There are lots of different approaches (see the sticky corretto thread) but most people just rewire to mix only. I've only just done that to mine when the touchpad died - for about 18 months I've just been using the dough cycle, which worked fine. I removed the element ages ago, so that I could fit the insulated pan in.
    Maybe you could give the dough cycle a go first? Despite the constant mixing convenience, I am missing being able to use the countdown timer for measuring the time… :-)

    Matt

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    Yeah, in most cases the heating element doesn't enter into the equation, the Bread Maker is basically just providing agitation.

    I have seen, I think, one person who also uses the BM element.

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    Thanks guys,

    I think I will just pull the element out then.

    I checked on the dough cycle last night, it only spins for 15mins and then stops, would this be enough time...I suppose I could just restart it again but for the first couple of minutes it only spins in pulses.

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    15 mins is probably a bit short, you want about 20 mins to be sure.

    Restarting with pulsed stirring at that late a point in the roast will most likely have a negative impact. One of the things you want to have tight control over is the ramp between first crack and second crack, unfortunately end of the 15 min period is probably smack bang in the middle of that.

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    Definitely need at least 20 minutes. Most of my roasts end between 17 and 19 minutes...so you want at least 20.

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    Hmmmmm 15mins - might be sparky friend time then!
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    I thought as much....I have tried all the local electrical appliance repair shops but none of them seemed interested in helping (either too busy or spun me a story that it was too big a job???).

    I'd try it myself but I wouldn't know one end of a soldering iron from the other.

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    Have you measured the time of any of the other mix cycles? They can vary machine to machine - maybe a bread cycle might go for longer? It shouldn't start to warm till after initial mixing anyway - which might go for longer than 15mins in another cycle… ?

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    Its one of those things that get spouted on-line all the time about getting a sparky to do it. I don't disagree, but the reality is unless you know one personally or friend of a friend ect they will never perform such a modification out of a professional business situation.

    You are asking them to risk their profession and livelihood to modify a machine to be used for a purpose it was never designed for, hence making it non compliant to Aus standards.

    I say ask around people you know if they have any friends with an electrical background. All else fails you can take the risk and educate yourself, but that's a dodgy road when your dealing with 240V and i don't recommend it for obvious reasons.

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    Yeah its a challenge, Steve.
    I have a little bit of electronics experience, but not much in 240v, so while I was pretty confident to tackle the practical side myself I really wanted some confirmation about what I was looking at when I got the thing open and what needed retaining to make it work - which a fellow snobber talked me through. I agree it's certainly not worth risking your life for!
    If you really can't find anyone who'll help and you're not confident to do it yourself, and your current find is not going to do the job - might just be worth looking for a 2nd hand Breville (mine's a BBM100/280) or similar - should only be $30 or something - one that has a 30 minute dough cycle. The breadmaker reviews here in the roasting section should have the info on machines with suitable cycles…
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    Steve, that's the impression I got from most of the people I spoke to, either that or they thought I was trying to set up some backyard meth lab.

    Matt, thanks for the tips...I think I will keep my eye out for a secondhand Breville, it shouldn't be too hard to find one in an op shop around Sydney.

    Thanks for all your help guys.

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    Hmmmm
    Another thought - might be a bit left field. But maybe the local Men's Shed? These are popping up everywhere, and there's gotta be lots of retired electrical/mechanical types who are more than happy to potter around inside a BM - take along the machine and make a few brews - might get it happening!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
    Hmmmm
    Another thought - might be a bit left field. But maybe the local Men's Shed? These are popping up everywhere, and there's gotta be lots of retired electrical/mechanical types who are more than happy to potter around inside a BM - take along the machine and make a few brews - might get it happening!
    :-)
    That is actually a really good idea!

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    Of you have basic electrical knowledge and common sense modding them is no harder than wiring a light socket.

    Im not going to tell you how to do it but there is only 3 wires you need to be worried about. I removed everything from mine except the start capacitor. They were even marked as to what they were in my BM

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    Again I'm not going to say exactly how to do it, you have to understand the concept of how it works and whats where.
    Considering the parts that interest us, all bread makers have a motor, start capacitor and an electronic switch to control the motor.
    With my Sunbeam Bakehouse the start capacitor is on a separate circuit board. To convert the unit to continuous running when plugged in I removed one cable and moved another. It's very easy which is why I used this unit.
    On units where the start capacitor is on the main control board you have to bypass the switch and preferably isolate the remaining electronic controls.
    It's easy if you know what to do and possibly very dangerous otherwise.
    That said, I've only looked inside my Sunbeam and a Panasonic, I'm sure others are different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozzle View Post
    Im not going to tell you how to do it but there is only 3 wires you need to be worried about.
    That's not always the case unfortunately; it really depends on the design and implementation used by a manufacturer. I've come across several variations of implementation over the years and for safety's sake, you should involve a knowledgeable, qualified person. Yes, it can be a simple and easy task to perform but not always.

    Be safe...

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    Sorry to revive an old thread but I decided against modding my Breadman (I couldn't find anyone to do it).

    So I have been looking around for a Breville and I have finally found one, in fact I have found two, a BB280 and a BB290.

    My question is, which one is better for roasting ? They are both the same price, so that isn't an issue but I read that the BB280 pauses for 3 seconds every 30seconds...does the BB290 do this aswell ? Will this affect the beans ?

    Thanks

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    Hello Sully,

    I can't offer any first hand info on these BM's but if you have not already done so, have a look at this thread :-

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/roasters/2...ad-makers.html

    Both models get a mention, and both reviewers are active on this site and may be able to provide more details

    Cheers, Leo.

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    I have the BB290. It made good bread when it was used originally to bake bread.

    The BB290 has intermittent mix cycle for first 3 minutes, then constant kneading for 25 minutes which is ample time for roasting.

    The start of the constant kneading cycle is when you should be adding the green beans into the pan and commence roasting.

    I have no experience with the BB280 but if it does indeed stop for 3 seconds every 30 seconds, it should not be too much of a drama and should not affect the roast as compared to one that constantly mixes. But certainly get the BB290 which is preferable.

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    Thanks for the link Leo, I had a read over that and it mentions the 3 second pausing aswell.

    Thanks sidewayss, I think I will get the BB290 then...not for it's bread making abilities though.

    Can you give me some more details of your set up i.e type of heat gun, do you leave the lid on the bread maker or remove it etc ?

    Cheers

    (Edit) Sorry sidewayss, I just noticed it was you who did the review of the BB290.
    Last edited by Sully; 5th October 2012 at 06:54 PM.

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    Hi Sully
    My BBM100 is very similar (same pan) and has a similar cycle. I have insulated the pan with fire blanket and made a lid for it (which only comes off when I dump the beans), both which improved the roast IMHO. But that can come in time ;-)
    If you are in the market for a heat gun - just get an adjustable one. I started with a fixed gun and adjusted the height on a tripod - but pretty painful after a while, and took up the whole heap of bench. The adjustable one gives so much more control, and overall has a much smaller footprint. I use a Bosch Gun, which is not the cheapest (around $100), but you can set your watch to it for temp accuracy :-).
    The only other suggestion I'd make is that if you're not going to fiddle with the mixing cycle - leave the beans out for the first 3mins, then simply add beans/heat once the constant mixing starts. Having gone constant mixing now I realise how inaccurate my old profile was (it was actually heating up much more than the DMM said, then rocketing up once the constant mix started!) The new one is very different, and much more realistic :-)

    Matt

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    Thanks Matt and everyone else for your advice/tips.

    I picked up my BB290 today, ordered my DMM from bean bay and now I just need to head down to Bunnings to pick up a new Bosch heat gun.

    Home roasting here I come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
    Hi Sully
    Welcome! There are lots of different approaches (see the sticky corretto thread) but most people just rewire to mix only. I've only just done that to mine when the touchpad died - for about 18 months I've just been using the dough cycle, which worked fine. I removed the element ages ago, so that I could fit the insulated pan in.
    Maybe you could give the dough cycle a go first? Despite the constant mixing convenience, I am missing being able to use the countdown timer for measuring the time… :-)

    Matt
    Hi Matt
    I have a BB280, and would like to know what you did with the 2 wires and spade connectors that were connected to the heating element when you removed the element?
    Thanks
    Rob

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