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    Question Rays Selection - Roasting Help

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    G'Day addicted friends,
    Having trouble roasting Rays Selection Mountain top Estate #789
    I have great results using my Gene Cafe roaster with all other styles I purchase from CS BeanBay.
    Have tried long and low temps ( 205-225 for 15-27 minutes ), various combinations of high and med to long roasts ( 235 -245 for 14-25 mins )
    Have even preheated the Gene to 160 C and done the same mix of temps and times.
    I get great results on all other beans just need to master this one.
    The flavour result is very bitter and not much flavour to an oily and over strong taste.

    Any suggestions would be great as I want to support our local grower if I can get it right.

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    Sounds like a bloody costly exercise... Sorry to hear about to poor results... Hope its not because its Aussie made..

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    I dont think so as I have read good results on line from this grower. Andy has suggested doing two roasts. One at short high temp and one at long and low then blend them so I am doing this now.

    Let you know how I go...

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    I was just poking fun at Aussie made.. I hope the SO Blend idea works for you. I haven't been game to take the plunge on beans in that price range but at the same time curious of the quality and results.

    I just bought 40kg's from a local roaster so I don't think I'll be trying it any time soon though. I had a laugh

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    Nothing wrong with Ray’s Selection. Read Andy’s comments:
    CoffeeSnobs - BeanBay

    I haven’t used a Gene Cafe roaster so I can’t advise you how to change your technique. I get great results with Ray's in my popper. I’ve done a roast today.

    Happy roasting.

    Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by luke151165 View Post
    G'Day addicted friends,
    Having trouble roasting Rays Selection Mountain top Estate #789
    I have great results using my Gene Cafe roaster with all other styles I purchase from CS BeanBay.
    Have tried long and low temps ( 205-225 for 15-27 minutes ), various combinations of high and med to long roasts ( 235 -245 for 14-25 mins )
    Have even preheated the Gene to 160 C and done the same mix of temps and times.
    I get great results on all other beans just need to master this one.
    The flavour result is very bitter and not much flavour to an oily and over strong taste.

    Any suggestions would be great as I want to support our local grower if I can get it right.
    Hello Luke, I have had a look at this post by Andy on how how he roasts this bean.

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/cup-tastin...tml#post482628

    As he says, the profile looks very much like a popper roast, which is probably why Barry gets good results roasting this one in a popper. Also interesting that he also does a more typical profile with the same bean, and then blends the two together.

    I presume that this is what you were talking about in your second post. Have you tried either the short roast or the blend yet ? and how did it turn out ?

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    I like it. I’m on my second bag of Ray’s Selection and I am now drinking from the popper roast I did a week ago. Very nice. I don’t use much milk as I only have a large splash of it in my macchiatos.

    Barry

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    I don't have any of these beans, but I'm interested because I have ordered some Green Cauldron beans, which are grown in the same area. They should arrive any day now. I tried a cappuccino at Merlo's in Brisbane, and bought a small bag of brown beans from them, and liked it enough to order some greens from their website.

    I will be roasting them in my modified popper, and will be trying the short steep profile suggested by Andy for the Ray’s Selection because he thinks that is what this type of bean needs for milk based coffee. (which is what I mostly drink)

    Deegee

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    Deegee,

    Let us know how the Green Cauldron beans go. If it is as good as AMT Ray’s Selection I may try some.

    With all things, I like to buy Australian when the quality is OK. However with our dollar being so high much of our Aussie production has been priced out of existence with imported goods made using sweated labour.

    I have about a dozen different greens from Andy, so drinking my coffee doesn’t get boring.

    Barry

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    Green Cauldron Beans

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry_Duncan View Post
    Deegee, Let us know how the Green Cauldron beans go. If it is as good as AMT Ray’s Selection I may try some. Barry
    G' Day Barry - The green cauldron beans arrived yesterday and I did a small batch this morning. It ran a couple of minutes longer than I was aiming for, but I' still learning to use the popper with the latest mod ( an SCR voltage control )

    If you're still interested, I'll tell you what I think of it in a few days, but it won't be a detailed cupping report. My palate (if I've got one) refuses to be educated, and try as I might I cant taste flowers, berries, or anything like that. I can pick bitter or sour, smooth from roughasguts, and sometimes a hint of chocolate/cocoa, but that's it.



    Cheers, Deegee
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    DeeGee

    Your palate must be a lot like mine. After years of suffering from hay fever my sense of smell is largely shot. However I know what flavours I like and don’t like.

    After about a week of resting the roasted green cauldron let us know what you think of it.

    Barry

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    MTE Ray's Selection

    I just found some of Ray’s Selection that I roasted on December 7th and in spite of it being over 9 weeks post roast it is amazingly good. I recently threw out some commercially roasted beans of a similar age that were well passed it.

    Barry

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    G'day Barry, We seem to have hijacked this thread, but the OP has not been back for two weeks, so I don't think he will care.

    I tried the Green Cauldron for the first time yesterday morning as a flat white, and couple more in the afternoon.

    First impressions - smooth, sweetish, what I like in my first cup of the morning. I'm tempted to describe it as a bit bland, but that might be unfair.

    Plenty of flavour, but nothing stands out - maybe it's what experts would call "well balanced", or perhaps it "lacks the acidity to cut through milk".
    Or maybe I just need to try it a little stronger, with a slightly higher coffee to milk ratio.

    Anyway as a latte or flat white, on my scale, it's a good coffee, but not great coffee.

    Roast was stopped at first sign of second crack, but the beans have a slight oil sheen, so maybe they went a bit further into second crack than I first thought.

    How it will go for you as an espresso or a macchiato, I can't say, so whether you try it or not I will leave you to decide.

    Cheers, Deegee.

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    Thanks all who made suggestions.

    Solved my dilemma. I did 2 roasts. One high temp and short timing and then a lower longer roast. Stood them for 5 days then blended. Espresso grind and now three weeks later still tasting fantastic. I will stand for 2 more days next roast as the initial result was still a bit bitter but that fell away to a very smooth result.

    :0)...



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