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    CS card numbers and roast names.

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hi all

    Ok I have read the thread on the meber cards and why there is no comparision of CS Card numbers with names for roasts but I still want a comparison :-) I have been looking at various web sites and their pictures and comparing to the CS cards. Yes there is no set nomenclature for roast names but what I want to do is a simple roast log and have two scales:
    Roast style: Light -- Medium -- Dark/City -- Full City -- Light French -- French (or whatever)
    CS Card No.: 1 2 3 -- 4 5 -- 6 7 8 -- 9 10 -- 11 12 --

    When I do a roast I circle a number and it helps me to see what the rough roast name is also.
    I havent even settled yet on a roast style name list as there is so much variation.

    My question is
    1. what roast names do CS folks use? Most roast sites are american, do we use different names.
    2. what rough mapping would the numbers match with e.g full city roast = numers 9,10 ?

    Mike

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    just use the coffee snobs card system. the city+ system is a bit ::) not very descriptive and everything is city something, you may as well just say my roast is - + full or average. I havnt seen it anywhere exept for sweet Marias and on forums so I dont know how widely used it really is.

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Ive never gotten into the City, Full City thing.
    Nor, the French, Vienna, Italian.

    I just use the number on the CS card now.
    EG: A 9 on the CS card = A 9 on the CS card, and so on.

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    I dont get the city roast thing either, honestly what city are they reffering to????

    It doesnt go anywhere to really describe the roast, and might I ssay a tad pretentious.

    The Australian method, although not perfect is far more simple

    eg single (light) *3/4 (medium) *double (dark)

    There is nothing *wrong with keeping it simple and for our purposes using the card method.


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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    The card has been made up precisely so we dont have to rely on 100 different peoples interpretation of what a light, or city, or italian roast looks like.

    Keep it simple, keep it understandable, keep it easily communicated. Use the card with numbers. :)


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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Hi all

    An Australian method?
    "eg single (light) 3/4 (medium) double (dark)"
    I did some searching on Google using some more specific terms and see that some places refer to roasts as light/medium/dark but whats the single, 3/4 & double mean?
    Google brings up lots of things about single or double shots instead.

    Mike

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Hi all

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_Roasting classifies roasts into 4 classes then "Aliases" within that. "Aliases" seems an excellent work given that theterms vary so much.

    Mike

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Agree with Java,

    Why look for additional ways to complicate something, when the CS Card has it denominated right there in front of you? Sure, if you want to converse with non-CS members about a degree of roast you can use anything you like, but Id try and talk em into becoming members so that they can get their own cards ;)

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    imo that wikipedia article needs some editing. ;D

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Now all we need is a number printed on each roast on the cards so we can see at a glance what colour were on about and well really have a simple system that works for all! ::)


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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Hey Im only a newbie but heres my 2 cents.

    This CS card system looks simple and great.

    Instead of referring to the vague foreign systems that appear to be in existence already, this is the opportunity for all (members here at least) to adopt a fresh new system that is straightforward and uncomplicated, in typical Aussie style.

    Who knows? If it becomes popular in the future the CS card system may become a de-facto reference standard!

    As there are only a dozen variations, in my opinion, numbers are totally unnecessary as most people can count from 1 to 12 without too much trouble I hope.

    I already like the idea of referring to beans as CS5, CS9, etc.

    You know it makes sense! :D

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Ill defer to the majority on this one and put up with the no number cards <huff>. :D (not that Ive got any choice!)

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Pullman link=1181455276/0#11 date=1181560946
    Ill defer to the majority on this one and put up with the no number cards <huff>. :D (not that Ive got any choice!)
    So my Pullman tamper will have numbers engraved next to each ring so I dont have to count? :P :P

    /Kevin
    (Waiting for his card.... so I have to still use "small village", "large town", "full city"....grrr)

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    If you can work out a way to engrave numbers on a lathe Ill do it! :) 3 != 12 ::)

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    i am with you, Greg... numbers!!
    easier to refer to " roasted it to a 10, instead of "...to a 3rd from the right"...

    L

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    Exactly. Why complicate things by having to count it out every time? :-/ ::) Anyway sounds like the decisions already been made... :(

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    If you peruse the original thread dealing with these cards (http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1179756431/9#9) youll see the question of having numbers on the cards was addressed early on:

    The card has 12 panels from green to brown. The early prototypes had numbers on them, the following ones had just "1" on the left and "12" on the right.... the final had none because we thought most people can count to a dozen using all their fingers and ears (Is Chopper Read a CoffeeSnob?) ;)

    Java "Able to count to 12 with-out taking his shoes off" phile

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lizzie link=1181455276/0#14 date=1181564955
    i am with you, Greg... numbers!! *
    easier to refer to " roasted *it to a 10, instead of "...to a 3rd from the right"...
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    I guess it must just be me but I would never have thought about referring "...to a 3rd from the right".
    I would have just called it CS10 in the first instance.
    My impression was that you would just imagine it says 1-12 on the card, but I guess not everyone sees it that way.

    I guess if its really an issue, you can always customise your own card, ie., mark it 1 to 12. :)

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Yeah remember that but the reasoning didnt really sound that solid to me and still doesnt. Sure we can all count to 12, me included, but why make it harder than necessary? Numbers just make it so simple to quickly refer to each colour. Guess its why Pantone et al use numbers rather than just names...

    Take the dont make it easier even though we can argument a step further, and instead of photos just have descriptions: 7 = cadbury milk chocolate. 9=dark brown boot polish, 11 = Old Gold chocolate. The quote above could easily have read "the final had no pictures because we thought most people know what colour all those items are". Why not make things as simple as possible given the choice is there?

    Anyway someone else brought it up here so I thought Id jump on my soapbox briefly. Its safely packed away now though. ;)

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Well I guess if its that big an issue for some people, you can always do as is suggested above, write your own numbers on the card to suit yourself.... Personally, I like my card to be uncluttered and am quite happy to use my fingers (and ears if I ever happen to roast a batch that dark :P)

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Pullman link=1181455276/15#18 date=1181570171
    Yeah remember that but the reasoning didnt really sound that solid to me and still doesnt. Sure we can all count to 12, me included, but why make it harder than necessary? Numbers just make it so simple to quickly refer to each colour. Guess its why Pantone et al use numbers rather than just names...
    Hardly a fair comparison as Pantone consists of thousands of colors on a hundred or so different cards rather than 12 colors on a single card. Personally I think a mountain is being made of a molehill here given that it would only take a fraction of a second more to count than to read a number. :)


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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Its perhaps sounding a bigger issue than I see it as a result of reinforcement of the same points and a bit of soapboxing! :) I agree its not hard to count it out each time; all Im saying is that to me a number system seemed a logical thing to have on the cards and I was surprised there werent any overwhelmingly powerful reasons against it. But the decisions not gone that way, I can live with that and as I mentioned earlier in this thread Im happy to go with whatever the majority prefer.

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    my "3rd from the right" reply was very tongue in cheek.

    no big issue.... :-[

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    You know what? Im just wrapt that I have my card and that we have a method of communicating which ensures consistency. In addition it cost me absolutely nothing and I dont remember the last time I received something for nothing..

    It sits proudly in my wallet to be used at any time a reference is required or for use before the secret handshake 8-).

    Thanks Andy for once again going above and beyond for CSers..

    2mcm

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

    Yep, I love mine too and it gets used! I had made up a template of Sweet Marias guide that I used but it grated me using terms like city whatever. And the grading wasnt as clear as the CS card.

    This is so much simpler and also gives us a good "universal" benchmark.

    As for the number thing, I like the uncluttered look

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    Re: CS card numbers and roast names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1181455276/15#23 date=1181646605
    You know what? Im just wrapt that I have my card and that we have a method of communicating which ensures consistency. In addition it cost me absolutely nothing and I dont remember the last time I received something for nothing..

    It sits proudly in my wallet to be used at any time a reference is required or for use before the secret handshake *8-).

    Thanks Andy for once again going above and beyond for CSers..

    2mcm

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