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    My First Roast !

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hey guys ! All help would be much appreciated !
    Im a young coffee enthusiast and the last 6 months I have been home roasting in a popper. I have goals to one day open my own roasting company. I want to develop my skills of roasting and am wanting to know which is the best method of roasting or best roaster to buy for me to develop my skills and my understanding of roasting without forking out the big bucks and getting an unnecessary commercial roaster ! Should i go something like the Gene Cafe? or the Hottop? or possibly even make my own Corretto. Im after a more hands on method rather than something automatic as i want to get a better understanding of roasting and key features to look for etc. All help and opinions are appreciated !!

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    Welcome Kurt...

    To be very honest mate, I don't think you can go past the Behmor 1600+. You will learn heaps about roasting and with some simple mod's (post warranty), you can monitor the bean mass temperature during the roast. Terrific value for what you get...

    After that, it's a pretty big jump up to something like the "Aillio R1 Bullet" at around the $4K mark for an initial purchase plus any extras. A Behmor roaster, ready to go, will come in at around a tenth of that and will set you well on your way...

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    Thanks mate ! I have had a look at the behmor 1600+ and the only thing that has turned me off it a little was that a lot of chaff seemed to be collected within the machine rather than the bucket, and the internal cooling system where as an external cooling system would be a much better cooling method. Reviews seem pretty good on them though ! Do you know roughly how much they can hold per roast?

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    Hi kurt, this sounds very similar to myself i was extremely lucky enough to find a hardly used hottopB model at 480 so iv been learning and roasting on there. Modded it ever so slightly to get a bean mass probe in there and use roast logger to keep an eye on roasts but i really recommend the hottops.....love em!

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    Hello Kurt, I've been roasting with a Behmor for about 8/9 months now. It is a good machine and I'm quite happy with it. It does what I bought it to do, and does it very well, but I'm not sure that it is the best thing for what you want to do.

    I bought mine to roast larger batches than I could do in a popper, and to do it with a minimum of hands-on during the roast. Once I learned the right settings to use for the type of roast I wanted with the beans I was using, it did just that. It will handle up to 450 grams of green (or maybe a bit more) or as little as 100 grams.
    For me the Behmor is great when I want to pre-program a roast, press the start button then sit back and relax while it does the job.

    After roasting with much-modified poppers for several years, one big difference I found with the Behmor was that it is much slower to react to changes. It has quite considerable thermal inertia/over-run. The manual mentions thinking 15 seconds ahead, but I have found that I need to plan at least a minute or two ahead, if I want to drive it manually or change settings. And yes, as you mentioned, the cool cycle is quite slow, and the beans will continue to develop for at least a minute or two after cooling has started. Not a big problem - if you are aware of this and allow for it.

    Given my experiences with poppers and the Behmor, I believe that if your main goal is to develop your skills and learn more about roasting, then a Corretto might be better than a Behmor. I have never used one myself, but I have watched a couple in action and was impressed.
    I can't comment on the Gene or the HotTop, as I have not used either, nor seen them in action.

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    +1 for the Behmor.

    If you do this mod you can increase the efficiency of the chaff tray quite a lot. You still get a bit left in the unit but nothing 2 secconds with a portable vaccuum cleaner can't handle. http://coffeesnobs.com.au/home-roast...od-3-tray.html

    You can see how it reacts in this screen shot. It is a profile of my last 200gm roast. Important bits are the horizontal blue line is power. 100% for ~ 5mins, then 75% for 3, then 50%, 75%, then 50% till drop at 10:40. The red line is directly measuring the Heating Elements. The dark green line is Bean Temp. Light green is Rate of Rise. If you line up the changes in power to HE, BT and ROR, you can how fast (or slow) the Behmor reacts. Note a larger 400gm batch will react even slower.

    My main gripe with the Behmor is you can only set the power at 100, 75, 50, 25 and 0% increments. It is not continuously variable. So as you can see, if you are trying to precisely control certain parameters like I was trying, you end up flicking between the preset power levels. Definitely annoying for me but many I suspect don't bother.

    But overall, the Behmor is a great place to start your roasting journey.

    ROR eg 2.JPG
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    Have a look at the Huky 500T, not sure what you want to spend but really is a hands on roaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt95 View Post
    Hey guys ! All help would be much appreciated !
    Im a young coffee enthusiast and the last 6 months I have been home roasting in a popper. I have goals to one day open my own roasting company. I want to develop my skills of roasting and am wanting to know which is the best method of roasting or best roaster to buy for me to develop my skills and my understanding of roasting without forking out the big bucks and getting an unnecessary commercial roaster ! Should i go something like the Gene Cafe? or the Hottop? or possibly even make my own Corretto. Im after a more hands on method rather than something automatic as i want to get a better understanding of roasting and key features to look for etc. All help and opinions are appreciated !!
    Hey there. We'll be better placed to answer your questions if you answer these questions-

    What's your budget?
    How do you want to approach things?

    Budget is most important. There's no point recommending an Ailio if you can only afford a Behmor. I've had a Behmor for nearly 6 months and I've learnt lots in that time. Using a popper was kind of a fun introduction to the basics; things such as first and second crack, but with so little control over the process it's quite limited. The Behmor is a whole different ball game and there's a real learning curve. Nothing you do on a Behmor really transfers to a more commercial roaster, but it can teach you plenty about different coffees and the roasting process in general.
    So it's worth considering if you're happy to or need to take things slowly and move in small steps. Just be prepared to sell and upgrade your roaster every 6-12months. But if you can spend more and are happy to make a bigger jump up at the start I'd be looking at a Hottop, Huky or Ailio. If it's a Hottop you're looking at just make sure it's the manual model. None of these are commercial roasters, but the way they function is more similar to commercial roasters so you'll pick up some transferable skills as you learn to use them.
    Good luck with whatever you decide.
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    Behmor Coffee Roaster
    Hey guys ! thanks for all your responses ! My budget is roughly $1000 and have got a hottop roaster lined up for a good price. It seems hands on and also allows me to do a logger through my laptop. Now the fun part starts on learning how to get the most out of a roast and discovering good blends !!
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