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Thread: Australian green coffee recommendations

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    Australian green coffee recommendations

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    Hey folks. I know this has been discussed here previously and I think I've read most of the related threads. I'm in Sydney next week and thought I might grab a bag of Australian grown coffee to bring home with me. The two obvious choices are Skybury or MTC. I'm happy to give one of these a go unless someone can recommend something better. Also has anyone tried the current crop from either of these producers? I'm leaning towards MTC, but am happy to be directed if that's not the best choice.

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    Sorry can't answer your question, but is it a hassle getting the greens through customs in nz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by magnafunk View Post
    Sorry can't answer your question, but is it a hassle getting the greens through customs in nz?
    I think it's probably a bit of a risk, but I'm prepared to take the chance. I'll only buy 1kg and I'll make sure I declare them. Apparently Australian grown coffee is very low risk for pests so hopefully it'll be fine. The local Behmor agent has done it successfully in the past so that's a good sign.

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    Ok, no one has any recommendations. That might be a bad sign, but I'm keen to try something so I'll just grab a bag from MTC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Ok, no one has any recommendations. That might be a bad sign, but I'm keen to try something so I'll just grab a bag from MTC.
    Morning Leroy,

    Have been down the Australian produced green bean path in the past, have always found them to be expensive and sadly lacking in quality (perhaps not to my taste) regardless, as far as I'm concerned superior green available on Beanbay at a much lower price.
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    The MTC crops are very decent, if you can find any...
    Unfortunately, due to the small crop sizes, they don't usually hang around very long.
    They're also not cheap, as Yelta mentions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    The MTC crops are very decent, if you can find any...
    Unfortunately, due to the small crop sizes, they don't usually hang around very long.
    They're also not cheap, as Yelta mentions...

    Mal.
    The current crop is available. Think I'll grab 1kg of the Bundja (Kenyan varietal). At $18/kg it's cheaper than lots of green beans here in NZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    The current crop is available. Think I'll grab 1kg of the Bundja (Kenyan varietal). At $18/kg it's cheaper than lots of green beans here in NZ.
    Keep us in the loop Leroy, would certainly be interested in what you think of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Keep us in the loop Leroy, would certainly be interested in what you think of it.
    For sure. That's as long as I can get em past NZ Quarantine.

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    One thing to bear in mind with Australian grown green bean is that is significantly lower in caffeine than higher-grown overseas bean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth57 View Post
    One thing to bear in mind with Australian grown green bean is that is significantly lower in caffeine than higher-grown overseas bean.
    Yeah I've read before that low grown Arabica is lower in caffeine. I'm not sure it's true though as I've read the counter argument that it's just that the beans are less dense. So a single bean contains less of everything than a high grown Arabica (oils and aromatics included), but the same weight of the same coffee ends up being much the same. The growing regions of Australia are comparable to Hawaii in that it's the unique volcanic soils, topography and microclimates that create the right conditions for successfully growing Arabica at latitudes where it shouldn't in theory be possible. I don't think any of this is really proven though.
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    Yeh, you're right - its hard to prove. I did a Coffee Growing course at our local Adult Education place a few years ago and the teacher told us about local coffee (northern rivers, NSW) being low in caffeine (I ended up planting an acre of coffee - grew it for five years). He was a fact-based sort of guy, so I believed him. Another argument I've heard for low-caffeine beans is that caffeine is produced by the bean as a pest-deterrent, as in pests of the coffee bush won't attack the beans as the caffeine is harmful to them. And as Australian low-grown coffee has fewer pests than overseas coffee, they produce less caffeine. Not sure I believe that one but it is interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth57 View Post
    Yeh, you're right - its hard to prove. I did a Coffee Growing course at our local Adult Education place a few years ago and the teacher told us about local coffee (northern rivers, NSW) being low in caffeine (I ended up planting an acre of coffee - grew it for five years). He was a fact-based sort of guy, so I believed him. Another argument I've heard for low-caffeine beans is that caffeine is produced by the bean as a pest-deterrent, as in pests of the coffee bush won't attack the beans as the caffeine is harmful to them. And as Australian low-grown coffee has fewer pests than overseas coffee, they produce less caffeine. Not sure I believe that one but it is interesting.
    Hmmm, that is interesting. I'm not really bothered by caffeine quantity as long as it tastes good. Caffeine itself is a terrible tasting compound I believe so a naturally low caffeine coffee isn't necessarily a bad thing. Means you can drink more of it too!!

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    I have in my stash 6+kilos of Skybury peaberry which i roast into second crack.It is expensive but very enjoyable as a restretto and those i roast for agree to its quality.There is also Ashtons coffee beans who are based in Sydney and is very good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    The MTC crops are very decent, if you can find any...
    Unfortunately, due to the small crop sizes, they don't usually hang around very long.
    They're also not cheap, as Yelta mentions...

    Mal.
    I'm with Mal on this one...

    Of the Aussies I have tried the MTC stuff is pretty much the only coffee that I was impressed by. That what back in the days that Andy was able to source it. It was exxy though.

    The others I have tried were lack lustre for me- but the last were probably 5 years ago.

    I think that we struggle somewhat on terroir and because of that and machine picking due to labour costs, it's frequently just coffee from plantation style plantings..

    I'd be keen to look at some more if anything good becomes available and no doubt that Andy will be onto it if anything of interest eventuates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    For sure. That's as long as I can get em past NZ Quarantine.
    Gosh, I couldn't even get some clean walking boots through NZ quarantine without being thoroughly drenched a second time for me. Good luck with that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    Gosh, I couldn't even get some clean walking boots through NZ quarantine without being thoroughly drenched a second time for me. Good luck with that!
    Hiking boots are actually extremely high risk for biosecurity. We've had multiple outbreaks of rock snot and similar fresh water algae here in NZ over the last few years and it's still a problem. All come in from overseas on sporting equipment of some sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    I'm with Mal on this one...

    I think that we struggle somewhat on terroir and because of that and machine picking due to labour costs, it's frequently just coffee from plantation style plantings....

    A note on labour costs and Australian grown coffee.

    We used to grow an acre of coffee, that's about 1,000 bushes, and very quickly learnt the lesson of the economics of coffee harvesting.

    I could pick about 6-7 kgs of cherry per hour. This was by hand, and being careful to pick the very best, the perfectly ripe, of what was on each branch. Maybe we were too fastidious. Too picky in our picking. My wife could pick the same. So after an hour we would have maybe 15 kgs of perfect red cherry if the bushes were not too tall and had plenty of cherry on.

    15 kgs of cherry, after floating off the bad ones, and pulping away the flesh, yielded about 3 kgs of bean. This was then fermented and then sun-dried for a couple of weeks.

    When it was time to de-husk the dried bean (parchment), we would lose another 5-10% of weight.

    So, what I am saying is that the two us, working for one hour, could pick enough bean to produce, at best, 3 kgs of end-product (dried green bean). We could sell this for $30. If we wanted to employ pickers, that wold cost us at least $15 an hour per picker, and bang, you're working for nothing.

    This is why machine-harvesting is all the go. Faster, much faster, but there's no discrimination in what it whips off the bush - fifty shades of red cherry ain't in it - it all comes off.

    Well, that was our experience. Maybe we were just crap at coffee picking. What we ended up doing was getting backpackers and swapping very good food and board for 5 hours of labour. Met some great people from all over the world. We also ended up roasting, to add value.
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    I picked 25kg fruit last year which gave me just under 3kg green finally after pulping, drying, hulling etc, and definitely not a cost effective "hobby". Buying a small pulper and huller last year made it less labour intensive and more enjoyable, but without the value-add of roasting can't see how you could make any money selling green. The few growers I have visited in Oz do not seem to sell green, no doubt because it would be too expensive based on cost to produce. This year just picked 30kg fruit. Quality of my green probably (subjectively) average (Honey style processing).

    Kees from MTCP used to use prisoners for his picking labour I believe.

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