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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Did my first roast yesterday using a stainless steel bowl and cake whisk. It took 15 minutes till onset of second crack at which stage I dumped em into my cooling contraption (pics to follow)

    Decided standing there stirring manually wasnt gunna happen again so I went and bought a Breville BB280 today and have just finished my second roast.
    Rolling first crack at 15 mins and second crack at just under 18 mins.

    First roast on the left and second on the right. Ugandan bugisu AA *:)


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    Good looking roasts.

    Look for to reading what they taste like too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1222586752/0#1 date=1222587202
    Good looking roasts.

    Look for to reading what they taste like too!
    My crappy camera (3megapixel) doesnt do em justice.

    And the smell is absolutely delicious!!!!!!!

    Ill let em de-gas for a few days and then launch into em.

    Cuppla months ago I never woulda thunk Id be roastin my own coffee. This place has turned me into a coffee freak

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    Great stuff g62... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Im sure youll love the results 8-)

    Quote Originally Posted by gronk62 link=1222586752/0#2 date=1222587533
    Cuppla months ago I never woulda thunk Id be roastin my own coffee. This place has turned me into a coffee freak
    Yeah.... Happened to all of us mate ::) ;D

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    On-ya gronk

    Welcome to the dark side - roast that is
    Hope they taste as good as they look

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    well done Gronk
    2 roasts down - thousands to follow :D

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    Good Job! Soon you will be growing your own beans too [smiley=thumbup.gif]


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    Nice one Gronk,

    now all you need to do is wait (thats the hardest bit) ;)

    I must get around to trying a roast in my Hottop had it for a week and havnt even plugged it in :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by gronk62 link=1222586752/0#0 date=1222586752
    It took 15 minutes till onset of second crack at which stage I dumped em into my cooling contraption (pics to follow)
    As promised...



    which is part of this set up which I pieced together over the last few days...




    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1222586752/0#4 date=1222590887
    On-ya gronk

    Welcome to the dark side - roast that is
    Hope they taste as good as they look

    KK
    Thanks, and Yes they do! I tried some today. Delish!!


    Quote Originally Posted by bolb link=1222586752/0#5 date=1222593085
    well done Gronk
    2 roasts down - thousands to follow *:D
    haha yeah I thought about how many roasts there are in front of me now Im set up. Cheers Mal


    Quote Originally Posted by runfast link=1222586752/0#6 date=1222593232
    Good Job! Soon you will be growing your own beans too [smiley=thumbup.gif]
    Simon
    I remember sayin Id never roast, so I better not say Ill never have a crack at growin my own *;)


    Quote Originally Posted by beanflying link=1222586752/0#7 date=1222657368
    Nice one Gronk,

    now all you need to do is wait (thats the hardest bit) ;)

    I must get around to trying a roast in my Hottop had it for a week and havnt even plugged it in :(
    The wait isnt too bad as Ive still got a tiny bit of old coffee from brown bean bay to finish first.

    Jeez I couldnt wait to try it if I had a Hottop

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    Nice roasts Gronk, good setup you have there.

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    Good stuff! Well done.

    Dammit, Im getting roasters itch. Not quite as serious an ailment as upgradeitis but I think it may cause the wife some side-effects. Im gonna start hunting around for a 2nd hand BM and work out the cost savings

    How much did that set up set you back gronk (if you dont mind me asking)

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    Re: Successful first 2 roasts

    Quote Originally Posted by martybean link=1222586752/0#9 date=1222689125
    Nice roasts Gronk, good setup you have there.
    Thanks mate :)



    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus link=1222586752/0#10 date=1222692199
    How much did that set up set you back gronk (if you dont mind me asking)
    The heat gun was $69, bread machine $100, and all the other stuff I had lyin around the shed.

    It wont take long for it all to pay for itself in savings over pre roasted beans, and I get to drink the freshest possible coffee all the time :)

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    ...roasted to how it suits YOUR taste!

    (which is an even bigger bonus than $s saved)

    :)

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    Congratulations Gronk! Looks like youve had a similar week to me, gathering up bits and pieces to roast Corretto style. Youre lucky you have plenty of space for all of your roasting gear. If I set up a bench in the middle of our unit I dont think my wife would approve, no matter how nice her coffee turns out in the morning! I didnt have a lot of stuff lying around and had to purchase pretty well everything. Used breadmaker ($40), multimeter ($25), heat gun ($45) - noticed you splurged and got the variable temp Ryobi...mines the basic one), drill press stand ($25), fan ($20), colander ($3).

    Lots of fun and tried my coffee this morning for the first time. Lots of crema and I was surprised just how well it tasted considering my roast went on too long. Things can only get better! Cheers.

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus link=1222586752/0#10 date=1222692199
    Good stuff! Well done.

    Dammit, Im getting roasters itch. Not quite as serious an ailment as upgradeitis but I think it may cause the wife some side-effects. Im gonna start hunting around for a 2nd hand BM and work out the cost savings

    How much did that set up set you back gronk (if you dont mind me asking)

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    Thanks Gronk and Buschy.

    I think the bucket cooler contraption is a cool idea too. Well have to give it a name. Gronkulator sounds good but in acknowledgement of the inventor, how about the Kosmic Kooler?

    Who invented the corretto?
    Update: I found out it was named after a CS user. See here and the original thread

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    Corretto did. ( http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1154442377 )

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    Flynn I think youll find the bucket cooler predates KK.
    Unlike the Corretto I dont know whos idea it was as there are a few variations.
    Most use the extraction fan and I may have been the first one to use a vacuum cleaner instead.

    Back to your own setting up.

    I recently picked up some spare BMs for 0$ and $10.
    Neither came with a pan but you shouild be able to pick up a 2nd hand one a lot cheaper than what gronk paid.

    I recommend spening up on the HG. The cheaper ones Ive used so far were good while they lasted but by all accounts the Ryobis etc will last a lot longer.

    You are quite welcome to visit and see my setup in person if it helps you get going.


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    Thanks TG. Im willing to give KK some credit for his innovation with the 20L bucket even for the simple reason of calling it the Kosmic Kooler 8-) I would equally be happy to acknowledge the "ThunderVac" cooler. Anyone else want a name for the invention.

    I might take you up on that offer. Thanks. I hope to go along to Denniss roatsting day on Nov 1 if it still happens but seeing a corretto in action would be great. One thing I feel might be difficult for me is my poor hearing - will I be able to hear 1st and 2nd cracks above the noise of the HG + BM. So yes, I would need to see it before I try it for myself. I agree that "buy cheap, buy twice" would be something to keep in mind when buying the HG.

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    I am completely deaf in one ear and roasting coffee is not even on my radar when it comes to the problems that causes.

    Maybe we can swing by my place after Dennis.



    EDIT:
    Just did a browse through some very old threads and this is the oldest reference I can find to a bucket type cooler.
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1120187721/8#8

    Strangely enough it uses a vacuum and hose and evolved into the motor only, which is what I planned to do next.

    See, someone always thinks of it first.

    Prior to this all the talk was about using hairdryers on "cool" and trying water misting as the "new" idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1222586752/0#18 date=1222738490
    I am completely deaf in one ear and roasting coffee is not even on my radar when it comes to the problems that causes.
    I have tinnitus so the other noise I have to deal with is the permanent sound of a thousand cicadas buzzing in my ears. But the upshot is that I cant hear higher frequency sounds.

    Maybe we can swing by my place after Dennis
    Sounds good. Thanks.

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    Re: Successful first 2 roasts

    Not sure about the beans shown above but the first and second crack stages of the Peru Grace Villa Rica Estate I roasted could easily be heard above the noise of the gun, etc. Forgiving beans to roast.

    I purchased a Ryobi HG like Gronk but mine doesnt have the variable heat adjustment (thats where my height adjustable stands comes in *:)). For the $25 I spent on it, the stand needs to earn its keep. I disconnected the spring it came with and it now adjusts up and down easily without wanting to bounce back up. From what I have read both model HGs are popular and reports are mostly positive. The next step up I believe is a Bosch. Bunnings has 2 models, the more expensive one around $100>$110 from memory.

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus link=1222586752/0#17 date=1222734243
    One thing I feel might be difficult for me is my poor hearing - will I be able to hear 1st and 2nd cracks above the noise of the HG + BM. So yes, I would need to see it before I try it for myself. I agree that "buy cheap, buy twice" would be something to keep in mind when buying the HG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus link=1222586752/0#14 date=1222723687
    Thanks Gronk and Buschy.

    I think the bucket cooler contraption is a cool idea too. Well have to give it a name. Gronkulator sounds good but in acknowledgement of the inventor, how about the Kosmic Kooler?
    haha well there ya go. I never came across Kosmos cooler during my research.
    Mine was adapted from an idea I got from Thundergods cooler. I looked at the junk lyin around my shed and figured it would be worth a try and cost me zero $$.
    Turns out it works perfectly with no fine tuning required :)

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    And as I said before, I got the idea from some long forgotten thread here on CS.

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    The first reports I read of using a bucket with fan inserted as a cooler, go back nearly 10 years I reckon. Im sure I read of a few people doing this on usenet... alt.coffee

    Dont think anyone had claimed credit for it at that time since its use was so widespread but Kosmic Kooler does have a ring to it for sure 8-)

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    "Koffee Kooler"

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    "Bean Chillin " ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1222586752/20#23 date=1222760884
    The first reports I read of using a bucket with fan inserted as a cooler, go back nearly 10 years I reckon. Im sure I read of a few people doing this on usenet... alt.coffee

    Dont think anyone had claimed credit for it at that time since its use was so widespread but Kosmic Kooler does have a ring to it for sure 8-)

    Mal.
    Thank you all but I canít claim the idea as mine however the name is cool

    My original idea came from a back pack vacuum cleaner that I used for work
    An idea dawned on me that this can be used for cooling beans.
    I just removed the top lid from the vacuum and stuck the colander or wire strainer in the hole and turned the vac on

    I have used my original bucket Kosmic Bean Kooler for about 4-5 years with just a hole cut in the lid
    The new version is more user friendly for various cooling implements

    Construction will be completed tomorrow fingers crossed (I was waiting for 2 new free buckets)

    Results will be posted on original thread (and just for fun I will include pictures of the original back pack vacuum version) ;)

    Edit now completed

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1222303036

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1222586752/0#1 date=1222587202
    Good looking roasts.

    Look for to reading what they taste like too!
    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1222586752/0#12 date=1222700110
    ...roasted to how it suits YOUR taste!
    Ok the first roast tasted ok. It was only a tiny batch just to "dip my toe in the water" so to speak.
    My gut feeling is they were a little too dark but still tasted ok in milk.
    I tried some of the second batch today. Definitely a bit over cooked. I dont have a trained palate so I cant really describe the nuances of flavour, but to me they tasted a bit "burnt".

    So armed with this knowledge I roasted my third batch today (still using Ugandan bugisu AA) and pulled it right at the start of second crack. The beans are around CS9 - 10, where as the first 2 batches were about CS 11 - 12
    So Ill see how these taste in a few days. This learning stuff is fun!! *:)

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    Re: Successful first 2 roasts

    Gronk

    Once my new roaster is completed I have the task getting through about 20 kg of different types of beans

    Canít choose whatís going to get roasted first?
    Probably have to draw straws ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1222586752/20#28 date=1222946492
    Canít choose whatís going to get roasted first?
    Probably have to draw straws ::)
    If ya live in Victoria Ill drop round and help ya decide. With 20 kilos to choose from it shouldnt be too difficult ;D

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    If ya live in Victoria Ill drop round and help ya decide. With 20 kilos to choose from it shouldnt be too difficult
    Most Victorians are here in QLD ;)

    So come on over to the sunshine state

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    And most Queenslanders and in WA!

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    "Most Victorians are here in QLD"

    "And most Queenslanders and in WA!"

    Thank goodness! ;D :o

    Greg in SA.

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    One thing Im not too sure about is the amount of beans I can roast at one time in a BM.

    200, 300, 400 grams?

    Ive only done small batches. About a cup full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregWormald link=1222586752/20#32 date=1223025957
    "Most Victorians are here in QLD"

    "And most Queenslanders and in WA!"

    Thank goodness! *;D *:o

    Greg in SA.
    And SA residents are proof Tasmanians can swim ;D Sorry I have had a few non coffees ::)

    Back on topic from what I have read seems 4-500g roasts are normal for BM users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanflying link=1222586752/20#34 date=1223026984
    Back on topic from what I have read seems 4-500g roasts are normal for BM users.
    Cool, thanks :)

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    I think the Brevilles also vary a bit in basket size. Some, like the "ultra ultimate loaf" or whatever it is called are bigger than others. I dont think mines quite as big as the "ultra loaf" but still has a fairly substantial basket, 500g no worries. My advise as a breadmaking and coffee roasting expert would be to check out the size of your basket. Is it fairly large, or more on the smallish side? * :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buschy link=1222586752/20#36 date=1223028689
    I think the Brevilles also vary a bit in basket size. Some, like the "ultra ultimate loaf" or whatever it is called are bigger than others. I dont think mines quite as big as the "ultra loaf" but still has a fairly substantial basket, 500g no worries. My advise as a breadmaking and coffee roasting expert would be to check out the size of your basket. Is it fairly large, or more on the smallish side? * :-/
    Its a Breville BB280 which can make 750g and 1kg loaves.

    The hopper looks pretty big, and a cup of beans only just covers the bottom :)

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    Sounds like the "MEGA loaf" model to me... *Wise purchase, youre set. :)

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    I have the BB280 I find 550gms just right but it probably could take more ;) this fits just nicely in the valve bags from beanbay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan link=1222586752/20#39 date=1223030121
    I have the BB280 I find 550gms just right but it probably could take more ;) *this fits just nicely in the valve bags from beanbay
    Cool, I reckon Ill chuck a whole bag in next roast :D

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    Gday again G62...

    Seems that a "safe" maximum load for a BM lies within the range of 65-75% of the maximum loaf size the BM is designed for. BMs with horizontal pans seem to be at the higher end of the range while BMs with vertical pans are at the lower end. The main determiner is related to the agitation of the quantity of beans being roasted, as poor agitation will lead to uneven roast batches and resulting poor quality brews. Its a bit suck and see really as all BMs seem to vary in the way they agitate the beans.

    As an example, our Breville "Big Loaf" is rated to handle up to a 1.5Kg loaf and has a horizontal pan. So far Ive been able to successfully roast batches up to 1.2Kg in this baby, so long as the heat is kept up to it. Batches of this size are much easier to roast than ones a quarter of this size and almost seem to look after themselves.... ;)

    Cheers mate,
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    There are some huge roast sizes here (at least compared to the 300gm I can get in Gene).
    How much you drink is also important--theres no sense in roasting a kilo, and throwing out the last 300 gms cause its lost its flavour.
    Happy drinking.
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    I roast a kilo a fortnight and sometimes I have to do another 500gms because me and the wife run out. Thank god I took up home roasting ;D ;D

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    Chucked a 500g bag in today. Worked better than the smaller quantities.

    I also removed the inspection glass window from the top of the bread machine.
    I did the roast with the lid closed and the HG inserted through the hole where the glass used to be.
    This meant I could turn the HG down to a lower temp and still get a good roast time (All over in about 17 mins). :)

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    I leave the lid open but I have a higher ambient air temp up here. *The only thing you have to watch is usually just after First Crack you can get a surge in the temperature. *I just lift the HG and little until the temp. stabilizes. *I have had roasts go to 21 minutes lately. However I prefer to finish them abut 18 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan link=1222586752/40#45 date=1223107898
    I leave the lid open but I have a higher ambient air temp up here. *
    It was only about 18 degrees here today and the air from the pedestal fan felt a bit chilly, which Im sure was good for the health of the heat gun, but not so good for the temp stability of the roast.

    Im really startin to think it might be money well spent if I buy a thermocouple and meter so I can monitor whats goin on in the hopper.

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    The thermocouple is great especially tied to the Roast Monitor software because it shows the degrees per minute so you can slow or speed the roast to the desired time frames. It was 29deg here today when I did my roast.

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    Hey All,

    I have roasted my first successful Corretto Roast (after a couple of pretty bad attempts) and I can definately say that a thermocouple and digital device is the key to understanding what is going on at what times during the roast. I dont have a datalogger, the only tools I use is my stopwatch and the temp readouts to adjust the Ryobi HG (its one of those with the LED and dial to turn up the heat (like yours Gronk) and the fan speed.

    I roasted some Zimbabwe Pezuru Estate AA (420 grams) and it looks fantastic! (sorry no pics, my camera died) I reckon I took it to CS9 in 17 minutes, maybe should have left it for another minute I reckon.... but oh well... Im really looking forward to cupping them! :D

    PS - I think that my Breville BB400 BM can take 750 grams without any issues... will try this amount when the "demand" is up there too from family and friends! ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ape_king link=1222586752/40#48 date=1223852131
    Hey All,

    I have roasted my first successful Corretto Roast (after a couple of pretty bad attempts) and I can definately say that a thermocouple and digital device is the key to understanding what is going on at what times during the roast.
    Yeah I think Ill have to get one of those. Its a bit tricky guessing whats goin on temp wise



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