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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Youll most likely find some MTC in there. Theyre good stuff!

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    Just went upstairs to make a coffee and thought Id check the front door. There was a small package waiting their for me :D

    Lets see what did I get:

    *Australia Capricorn Coast
    *Ugandan Bugisu AA
    *India My sore Nuggets A grade
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    *Brazil Monte Carmelo

    Will be checking out the roasting section on these beans. Hopefully will do a popper roast tonight and I will probably convince myself to set up a Corretto soon.

    May the roasting begin ;D

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    Got mine today! Thanks again Andy.

    Contained:
    Indian Mysore Nuggets
    Ugandan Bugisu AA
    Aussie Capricorn Coast
    Brazil Monte Carmelo

    First time Ive ever smelt/felt green beans. Really interesting smell! You can almost smell coffee in it ... but theres more of a sweet, beany (vegetal), malty aroma with some subtle acidic fruitiness in there somewhere... The diff types are subtly different, but a newbie like me couldnt pick them in a blind test.

    In case I need to point this out: Im excited. :P

    Now to finish the Corretto!
    Cheers
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    Im looking forward to being able to try roasting at home. Am in the middle of moving atm so will look at this again in a few weeks - need to find a popcorn roaster and a grinder too...

    All of your experiences has sure whet my coffee appetite...

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    Now for the truth - First time roasters and smoke alarms!

    First up though a big thank you for the very speedy service. *Next day delivery in time for the weekend - priceless

    Saturday afternoon roasting my very first batch in the popcorm machine under the kitchen range hood (turned off cause the noise was annoying) when I was cooling the beans down off went the smoke alarm! The next batch I did with range hood turned on, total silence when cooling beans - yipee

    That got me thinking surely I cant be the first (can I)? how many other first time roasters have done this as well? *

    Whatabout any other roasting mishaps that one would care to share?

    Looking forward to hearing your stories

    By the way I sampled the first batch yesterday and they were very nice:)

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    I revieved mine last week and did the exact same thing ;D

    Smoke alarms blaring!

    I have roasted 5 more batches on the weekend outside ::) and this also helps slow the roast down too!

    Going to try this weekends beans tonight after letting them rest for 3-4 days.

    My first batch was very black oily and in the bin.

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    Hi all, i received my Confirmation Shipped email (for starter pack) on 3rd July at 1.51pm and havent received it yet. Thats not usual is it? (i live in sydney).
    How do i track this down please?

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    Whats inside the starter packs? (the origin of the coffees)

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    They vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrilgoldenrock link=1113484527/140#153 date=1215605157
    Hi all, i received my Confirmation Shipped email (for starter pack) on 3rd July at 1.51pm and havent received it yet. Thats not usual is it? (i live in sydney).
    How do i track this down please?
    So it turns out someone at australia post likes to roast coffee.
    Anyhow, got my new starter pack a couple of minutes ago and it contains:
    -Ethiopian Gambella Naturals
    -India Mysore Nuggets A Grade
    -Brazil Monte Carmelo
    -Ugandan Bugisu AA
    Ill be roasting with a popper. Any suggestions as to a good first roast?
    Thanks CGR.

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    Just start with one bean so you get to know what its like.
    Worry about blends later.

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    dont forget to post your result cyrilgoldenrock :)
    Im curious

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    Sorry, what i meant was are any of these beans known to be more forgiving etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrilgoldenrock link=1113484527/140#159 date=1216087234
    Sorry, what i meant was are any of these beans known to be more forgiving etc?
    Gday "cgr"....

    The Ugandan Bugisu AA should be a good one to kick-off with, the Mysore Nuggets would be OK too.

    The thing to be watchful for with poppers when starting out, is to NOT overload them otherwise the roast will accelerate way too quickly and wreck the beans before youve even realised whats happened. Suggest you start off with about 80 grams and then roast this small batch right through to destruction while closely observing (including listening) the roast progression milestones.

    This way, you will easily recognise the colour transitions; the timing of the discharge of chaff (happens at least twice); the discharge of water vapour and/or smoke; the sounds of 1st-Crack and then 2nd-Crack; the length of time to arrive at Rolling FC and then the time interval between RFC and the first few snaps of SC; the time interval between the start of SC and Rolling SC; the rapid transition of colour once RFC starts and the roast progresses; the appearance of spots of oil on the surface of some beans; when oil covers the surface of all beans; when significant volume of smoke is being discharged.... Switch off at this stage as the next one is Fire :o

    Good idea to keep records of each roast and note some or all of the above observations, then use these to refer to when roasting subsequent batches of the same beans to either repeat or improve upon cupping results.

    I guess a reasonable guideline to use with an unmodified popper, is to adjust your batch sizes so that you dont reach RFC before roughly six minutes and then the first snaps of SC before nine minutes. Longer than this OK but if it seems excessively long then you can probably increase your batch size slightly, no more than 10g at a time. With poppers, you increase batch size to shorten roast times and visa versa.... Seems counter-intuitive but its all about the air flow. When you restrict the air flow, the air temperature increases because the heating elements are able to transfer more thermal energy to the passing air; more air flow means less energy is transferred.

    Hope this is helpful to you mate. All the best and Happy Roasting! :)

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    Very very helpful, thanks Mal. I pretty much did the opposite of what youve suggested. Tried the two beans you didnt mention, and increased batch size to try and slow down the roast.
    Tomorrow ill do it all differently.

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    Hi, any idea when the next batch of beans would be coming in?

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    Ezra
    When you go to the Green Bean Bay area you should see available a once only order "A Starter Pack"

    Also available on Brown Bean Bay "A Roasted Sample pack"

    When you order a starter pack that panel will no longer appear for subsequent orders

    So if you see a starter pack on your screen you can order it at any time

    I am pretty sure that’s right

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    I was asking as i plan to order a starter pack along with some decaf beans and ziplock valve bags.. :)

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    Ezra
    Yes zip lock bags and CS Member cards can be ordered at the same time
    Brown Bean Bay “Decaf Roasted” can also be ordered as well

    However for green beans It is no guarantee that “Decaf” will be available on the next bean bay (as Green Beans)

    The only thing I can suggest is to ask Andy to include a sample of Decaf if available in the sample pack?

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    In the beanbay it says 4x500g bags. In the OP of this thread it says 4x600g bags. So which is it?

    Also, if I order some greens from beanbay tonight, can I also get a starter pack in with all my beans? I have this idea that starter packs have to be ordered by themselves for some reason, but cant find reference to it anywhere (only that you cant order a card with a starter pack *shrugs*)

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammus link=1113484527/160#166 date=1219229414
    In the beanbay it says 4x500g bags. In the OP of this thread it says 4x600g bags. So which is it?
    BeanBay is right (I also just fixed the initial thread, ta)

    Also, if I order some greens from beanbay tonight, can I also get a starter pack in with all my beans?
    Yes.

    I have this idea that starter packs have to be ordered by themselves for some reason, but cant find reference to it anywhere (only that you cant order a card with a starter pack *shrugs*)
    Its a long story...
    short version is starters are sent from a different location to the green and brown beans at every other time of the month apart from during the few days that the BeanBay green sale is on.


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    Prompt reply thanks :)

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    Got mine today with my beanbay order Cheers!

    The decaf I was not expecting! - I nearly emailed you and asked if you had a little you could include, I cant wait to try it. Caffeine is what limits my coffee intake, so being decaffeinated I wouldnt be surprised if I finish it in a day ;D

    edit: May as well post exactly what I got:

    Decaf Mocha Java
    Indian Kappi Royale
    Zimbabwe Pezuru Estate AA
    India Mysore Nuggets A

    Very happy about the Kappi Royale as well - it was a favourite at my local roaster :)

    The other two I havent tried, and cant wait to :)

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    Yeah, the starters are always a good mix.

    Your email request would have fallen on deaf ears, it really is random assortment of beans that we have packed into 500g lots. The decaf is one of the rarer ones in the starters so your timing was great.

    I would suggest to start on the Zimbabwe or the nuggets first as they will be easier to roast than the Kappi and the decaf but you should get good results from all of them.

    Enjoy!

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    Cool, so I guess Im lucky in a way that having bought every bean offered on beanbay this month, I still managed to get 4 different ones in my starter pack, no doubles at all! :P

    So far Ive roasted 1kg of daterra sweet collection, 500g ethiopian limu, and 250g kenyan something or other (all came with my roaster). Id nearly run out, but just got another 17kg which should keep me going for quite some time :)

    Cheers

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    Hey All,

    I joined CS about 2 months ago or so, but havent posted anything until now. I just bought my little green bean start pack and Im waiting for them to arrive! I bought a Cornelius Popper on the weekend and I cant wait to start my own roasting! (hopefully it wont be too difficult) - we have recently (3 months ago) *bought a Rancilio Silvia and Rocky DL combo because I wanted a more substantial coffee setup than my old crappy sunbeam steam toy I had that died a while back.

    My wife thinks I am obssessed with coffee and my rantings about grinding / tamping / dosing / cleaning the machines / using spring water with the machine etc etc... *but she has agreed to my idea of starting to roast small batches at home (using the popper) and she doesnt complain when I make her a nice cappa in the mornings! She is starting to realise how good they taste at home, as opposed to at work or at xyz coffee shop.

    Im loving this espresso journey and I cant wait to taste REALLY fresh coffee! * ;)


    Cheers All!
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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    Quote Originally Posted by ape_king link=1113484527/160#172 date=1221436434
    Hey All,

    I joined CS about 2 months ago or so, but havent posted anything until now....
    Welcome to Coffee Snobs

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    Wait until she tries fresh home roasted..................

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    I just got my green bean starter pack yesterday and I started with the Ugandan and the Brazilian Santos.
    80g in the popper of each type and away I went!

    I took some notes as to time etc to start to get the feel / sounds of the roasting...

    Ive tried the Brazilian on the silvia this morning (14 hours after the roast) and it was AMAZING! and
    smooth, and rich and my wife and I loved it! The caffeine hit was actually quite dramatic and I can honestly
    say that I have not had such a buzz in years from one coffee! *:o

    Havent tried the Ugandan yet, it has a completely different smell to the Brazilian ... ? a lot more "earthy" smell perhaps... ??
    I think I roasted both types it to CS10 (from what I can tell on the computer screen of the photo of the card anyway!)
    Can anyone recommend a good roasting CS level for the brazilian and Ugandan?

    Looking forward to tasting all my little brown babies! *::)

    Thanks so much Andy for your help!


    Cheers!

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    excellent.. i am off to get me one of those B&D popcorn machine and we are ready. For anyone that is using this popcorn machines as roasters. can you give me a brief idea before i smoke the office out... 10 minutes ? 20 minutes ?
    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by arturo link=1113484527/160#176 date=1222139869
    excellent.. i am off to get me one of those B&D popcorn machine and we are ready. For anyone that is using this popcorn machines as roasters. can you give me a brief idea before i smoke the office out... 10 minutes ? 20 minutes ?
    cheers
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    20 minutes will have the fire brigade in attendance! ;D

    See the following "how to" guide...

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1174699442

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    Well...its like Christmas in October. The 4 bags arrived this morning as promised. Hats off to Andy and team! Many thanks.

    - Brazil Santos
    - Ugandan Bugisu AA
    - Zimbabwe Pezuru Estate AA
    - Ethopian Gambella Naturals

    Any suggestions as to which would be best to roast first and approx. timing on a Corretto? I think the Ugandan was mentioned a little earlier?

    PS. Too bad about the logistics with respect to member bean card. Including them in the starter pack would be perfect timing, but... something to look forward to with next order! *:)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buschy link=1113484527/160#178 date=1222943292
    Well...its like Christmas in October. The 4 bags arrived this morning as promised. Hats off to Andy and team! Many thanks.

    - Brazil Santos
    - Ugandan Bugisu AA
    - Zimbabwe Pezuru Estate AA
    - Ethopian Gambella Naturals

    Any suggestions as to which would be best to roast first and approx. timing on a Corretto? I think the Ugandan was mentioned a little earlier?

    PS. Too bad about the logistics with respect to member bean card. Including them in the starter pack would be perfect timing, but... something to look forward to with next order! *:)
    I too have just received my starter pack, and am quite excited :)

    As Buschy asked, does anyone have any roast timing advice for the above bean types, to suit an espresso?

    Im using a Gene Cafe, which seems to roast faster than the guidelines in the manual indicate. At the moment Im roasting a Brazil Ipanema Dulce at 229 degrees for 15 minutes, producing a nice dark roast. Ill probably grab 100gms at a time and try my luck, but would love to hear what others have done.

    Cheers,
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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    This is slightly off topic I know, was looking at the brown beanbay tonight and saw that there are sample packs of brown beans in 4 x 250g lots for $30 pp

    Are these limited to 1 per person or is there no limit on these ones?

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    It is one sample pack per CS member
    Once you have ordered it the window will disappear
    Same goes for Green Bean sample pack

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    Thanks KK, you were half right though.

    tis true for the green bean packs... only one per person and then they vanish.
    (these cost us more than we charge for them and are fiddly to pack). *After people have done their first roasts the step-up to using 2.5kg lots of green beans is an easy choice.

    The roasted ones are always available and contain a random selection of 4 x 250g packs of beans that were roasted this week. *Some CSrs are happy to play "bean lotto" all the time.
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    OK, Ive had my starter pack a couple of weeks now, and the B&D popper has been smoking them out quick time, Im nearly through my 3/4s of my pack, although Ive only started roasting the El Salvadore Himalaya today so will have to wait to taste that and my first Brazil Santos hits 4 days tomorrow. Probably wont be able to sleep tonight waiting to try that one!! *

    So far Ive tasted the Zimbabwe Pezaru and the India Mysore Nuggets. I really love the India Mysore! The Zim was very good too, but a bit subtle in my filter coffee maker (Im trying to find a good second hand Silvia, long story) I cant wait to try the other two.

    So now Im in a slight panic that Im going to run out before Xmas. Question time. How does the Sumatra Blue Lintong compare to the India Mysore? And, if I get the Ethiopia Sidamo Guji and blend it with the Lintong how would that come out???? Anyone willing to hazard a guess?

    Anyhow, Im loving this roasting. I drop 80 gms in the popper and just go by sight and sound, nothing more technical than that! I let second crack get pretty well going and then whip them out to cool on cookie sheets. Too easy!

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    How does the Sumatra Blue Lintong compare to the India Mysore?
    Ummm... they are both coffee?

    Beer is like fanta is like orange juice is like milk.... they are all drinks (dont mix these 4 together either!).


    The different beans are all different in the cup and you will find that variations in your own roasting of the same bean will result in a different coffee.

    CoffeeSnobs only offer good coffees, the chance of getting something you hate is pretty small. The Zimbabwe that you thought was too subtle will change with a shorter or longer roast.

    The biggest trick to home roasting is just getting started (and you have done that well by the sound of it) the rest of the journey is learning...

    Enjoy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by wannabesnob link=1113484527/180#183 date=1228548978
    I let second crack get pretty well going and then whip them out to cool on cookie sheets. Too easy!

    Brian
    Try stopping just on second and compare the taste.

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    Thanks Andy and Thundergod.

    I am enjoying the learning process, but have tried to be fairly consistent with my *roasting so far in order to learn about the differences in the beans. I suppose I will learn about the changes roasting can make when I get a larger quantity of beans and do repeated roasts with them. My current methods seem to get me to CS9-CS10. I dont yet trust myself to stop at the first few crackles of second crack, I let there be quite a few just to be sure, but Ill get better at that with experience. Lots of fun ahead on that one!

    Andy, the starter pack is a great idea for new players, as it lets them try a variety of beans quickly. My wife and I use about a kilo a month so trying lots of different beans in 2.5 kg lots will take a while. I guess my question about the beans available on beanbay is hard to answer given the scope for variation in roasting technique and coffee making. Is there a description of the beans in the starter pack someplace (like those for the beans on beanbay) that I could use as a comparison to the descriptions of the beanbay beans? Ive done a search for India Mysore and found some information but not your description. The descriptions are a very useful starting point for new players. *

    Anyway, enough rambling.

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    There was an attempt to gather a list of BeanBay offerings and I think descriptions IIRC.
    I dont have the link to the page handy atm but this is Andys description of Mysore from Feb 2008.



    From the hills of Mysore in the Karnataka district comes the large, lower acidity beans that make a really nice, softer style espresso base. Washed and high grade, these are easy to roast and the resulting dark chocolate is the highlight in the cup.



    EDIT: The wiki page is broken at the moment.

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    Thank you, thank you, thank you Andy.

    I placed my order on Saturday and it was delivered to me at work this morning *8-) *8-) *8-)

    Now, Ive just got to hang out till the Xmas Hols so I can buy a popper and have a play. *

    Luckily I bought some brown beans too or Id be tempted to cheat & start early.

    :D ... Happy happy me!!!

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    Re: Starter Packs for newbie roasters.

    the lure of the green beans in your cupboard will be too much, I bet the popper shows up before Xmas!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarrieK link=1113484527/180#188 date=1228824657
    Thank you, thank you, thank you Andy.

    I placed my order on Saturday and it was delivered to me at work this morning *8-) *8-) *8-)

    Now, Ive just got to hang out till the Xmas Hols so I can buy a popper and have a play. *

    Luckily I bought some brown beans too or Id be tempted to cheat & start early.

    :D ... Happy happy me!!!

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    Hello Andy
    my starter pack arrived today, very quick, many thanks.
    The Crazy popper is ready to go
    Now I just need some time to focus on it.
    Cheers
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    Thank you for your kind offer Ben_S , I am in Sydney, but would love to buy your popper & pay postage if you really dont need it. * :)

    Greenman, looks like youre psychic !! *::)

    - Carrie *;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarrieK link=1113484527/180#192 date=1228892701
    Thank you for your kind offer Ben_S , I am in Sydney, but would love to buy your popper & pay postage if you really dont need it. * :)

    Greenman, looks like youre psychic !! *::)

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