ok my order key is shaking.....
as you know we dont have a BeanBay-GREEN sale in December (due to shipping and broker logistics) but we will have beans available for those that runout.
We sourced another bag of the Ugandan and the Sumatran from last month and expect that we will also have some more of the Sumartran in the mid January sale. *We will also have some small lots of other beans appear over the month.
The really BIG news is that we have landed nearly $10,000 of Cup Of Excellence coffees and are selling them in 5 x 300g (1.5kg) lots for $105. *They will be packed in the Detpac lined paper pouches as they are the most "courier proof" packing option we have.
To save you doing the math... that is $70/kg green and somewhere about $1 per shot roasted.
You can read the information on the coffees at the CoE site:
Bolivia Lot 1
Mario Mamani Mamani, Raymundo Yanarico - Flor de Café San Ignacio
El Salvador Lot 1
Raúl Ochoa Hernández - La Montaña
Nicaragua Lot 2 *
Donaldo Vanegas Cruz - La Union
Guatemala Lot 2
Carlos Roberto Sanchez Lazo Y Cdños. - San Jose Ocaña
Colombia Lot 3
Diogenes Muchicon Perdomo - San Antonio
These are available now in green bean section of BeanBay:
ok my order key is shaking.....
Not as much as you will shake roasting em Dan.
I have seen Cup Of Excellence coffees for sale in the cafe scene for $10 a cup so keeping that in mind its a great chance to get pointy-end coffee for a 10th of the price.
Still, I do understand $70 a kilo is serious money (and it has been a very nervious wait for the container to arrive)
Yeah, I dont think I have the guts to get any(and roast it), but Im looking to hear from those who do. Its a great opportunity for people to try some top-notch coffees.
Good stuff Andy!
Pretty sure I NEED this to be under my Christmas tree ... Id better go start dropping some hints ;)
Got any of those CoE jute bags lying around Andy ;) ? Theyre delish.
Ho Ho Ho Michelle.
"Got any of those CoE jute bags lying around"
Yes I have and they are full of very expensive beans!
There are only a few of those bags with a sealed plastic bag inside, the bulk of the beans are in vac-packs (think really big silver brick) in a cardboard box. The Snobbery gets first crack at a couple of the bags (tis my justification to risk all my money and spend a tonne of time) and we might Fair Crack auction one of them next year.... not sure.
Apart from the obvious answer, what makes these beans 9x more expensive than the usual Bean Bay offering?
Is it the rarity that is jacking up the price or is the quality that much better as well?
Having yet to dip my toe into the home roasting experience, Im not inclined to buy yet but this sounds like the sort of thing one could put aside for a rainy day once I get under way.
A few things drive up the price. One is that obviously its top quality coffee thats undergone a lot of scrutiny. Its also auctioned off to the highest bidder, which means that its whatever the market will pay that determines it. I also guess there would be very limited supplies.
Although I have a popcorn popper, I wouldnt dare ruin any of these coffees in it. Having said that, I have an excellent pallate, so Im offering my assistance in cupping this wonderful coffee. :)
The relationship between quality and price is very rarely linear, so in terms of value, it may be hard to justify such indulgence on a regular basis.
Its just like buying a fine bottle of wine or of champagne. You wouldnt have these as your daily fare (well, I certainly couldnt afford to) but you have them to indulge yourself once in a while or for special occasions. I think searching for a purely economic justification for trying these beans is rather pointless; because you are unlikely to find one.
Good point sirhc8. Buying abottle of Grange Hermitage may not give you 10x the quality of a medium range bottle of red but one would like the experience.
I was looking around on the Net for Blue Mountain Walford Estate beans. There is a chain of stores called Jamaica Blue that sell this in Australia but I dont think they do green beans. There are people who have Fleabay stores that offer to send this bean internationally but there is a risk involved (do you get what you pay for) as well as the additional costs of importing to Oz.
I think you will do better searching for Wallenford (not Walford), Mavis Bank (accepted as the best of the farms) and Captain Cook. As far as I remember they are the only 3 official Jamaica Blue Mountain (JBM) farms and others are lower on the mountain calling themselves variations on the JBM theme.
The Blue Mountain beans are a good example over priced beans. At $100/kg you get beans from a small patch of land in Jamaica that have been well marketed over the years. Its very good, clean coffee and well graded but I doubt that it would come out on top of many blind taste tests. Still, its good to try once just so you know for yourself. We have sold it before and might do it again one day when we have 88 people wanting a kilo each!
Cup of Excellence (CoE) is a different kettle of fish. In each region the coffee growers submit 16 odd bags (just under a tonne) of their very best coffee. It is cupped blind by a large group of coffee professionals from all over the world that are among the very best in their field. The winning lots are then auctioned. Being an auction the end price is more often determined by how many bidders REALLY want this lot so it might be overpriced sometimes but the quality is great.
The other thing that the CoE competition does is show the small farmers that if they produce an outstanding coffee they will get paid well for it. In some countries that has created a specialty coffee industry where it didnt previously exist. The winners are the farmers and the consumers
What you get with Jamaican Blue Mountain coffees is a name.
What you get with CoE is the very best coffees judged on QUALITY in the cup.
Given the choice I will pick quality over marketing every time!
My mistake. I started seaching just for Jamaica Blue Mountain and meant Wallenford, not Walford - was trying to post from memory and this was one estate that seemed to be mentioned most oftenOriginally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1228454500/0#11 date=1228530205
Yes I wondered if that was the case; whether it was one-time top of the heap and now relies on reputation rather than reality. But getting back on-topic...The Blue Mountain beans are a good example over priced beans.
Well you sold me. I have 12.5kg of green beans ready for me to get my A into G, put the Corretto together and get roasting. This sort of thing doesnt come up very often so I think I may have to indulge myself in some CoE for Christmas (but dont tell the missus).What you get with CoE is the very best coffees judged on QUALITY in the cup. Given the choice I will pick quality over marketing every time
Oh damm, more coffee that I just have to have! Order placed and paid for.
Goodness... My hands are shaking... my fingers wants to press that Order button...
But theres one problem I can see from this, they are all 300g Batches, and thats one batch in the Genecafe roaster, what happens if I stuff up the first roast? there will be no 2nd roast to back it up...
But still I want them!!! *:) :) :)
Update: OK just ordered them, wont be able to live with myself if I missed out on the cup of excellence, its a rare opportunity. Getting my Hario Syphon shipped from Moonleaf gift shop @ WA next week, so will be a great tool to try it out with the cup of excellence bean. This is going to be an exciting Xmas... ;D ;D ;D
Mmmm Looked long and hard and decided my roasting skills are not worthy YET ;)
To do more Practice I Ordered 7.5kg of Green including 2.5kg of Brazil Bourbon that magically reappeared as I missed BeanBay last month.
By the time I finish roasting my curent stash of 30kg+ I should be ready for next time around :)
Well you can buy them and put them in the freezer to roast later. These beans dont come easy and there may not be a next time... :(
Yes, as far as I know there has never been an opportunity to purchase Cup of Excellence green beans in such small quantities in Australia. *We had a single bag of Brazil Cup of Excellence about 4 years ago and typically they just don’t make it to Australia… certainly not as green bean offerings.
We had to purchase 200kg odd to get these and in 1.5kg lots I expect we will have this lot on offer for a while yet.
As for not seeing them in the future I guess that all depends on the demand. *If we sell these then we can look at getting other exceptional beans again one day. *If I end up drinking most of these then maybe we won’t.
At $1 a cup after roasting I think it’s a bargain for some of the world’s highest rated coffee.
As green beans last about 3 years, why would you want or need to freeze them?Originally Posted by BaconMeister link=1228454500/0#16 date=1228638363
Dead right Andy. A friend gave me some 100% certified Jamaican Blue Mountain (roasted) a couple of month ago, think was around $300/KG roasted, to be honest I didnt think it was that special... Its pretty good but not $300 good. I am sure the cup of excellence beans will beat the JBM hands down and @ a cheaper price.
Andy, would you be able to post some roasting guide for these beans? having thought about that I only have 1 chance to nail the roast for each batch. :o
Or simply let us know where we should stop the roast? I know with these beans I shouldnt reach SC at all to preserve the delicate flavour, but at the same time I dont want it too light to the point that all I can taste is grassy acid.
So you can store them for 10 years and sell it in 2018 as a vintage... @ maybe 10 times the price ;DOriginally Posted by Thundergod link=1228454500/0#18 date=1228659704
Dont think these will last more than 3 weeks with me. YUM..... :P :P
$300 for JBM is a fair whack! That is why we sold it green... give everyone a shot at "$300" coffee for a whole lot less outlay.
The CoE just has to be roasted to where you want to use them.
The point scores these got would have been at a very light roast for cupping. Depending on your brew method how dark to go but as a rule of thumb... stop when you hear the first pops of second... it will still be well before second crack and you get a fully developed roast at that point. Cool them fast though so that 2nd STOPS.
If you have a "standard roast profile" that works for you then you should know how long 1st - 2nd crack is for a given amount of heat. You could use that know when to stop the application of heat.
Dont stress too much, just roast them like you would any other bean. The only real difference is the price and after you have paid for them they are just green coffee beans until you roast them.
They will roast really well due to the amazing grading and will be a clean sweet cup so you shouldnt have too much grief producing some magic that will become your future "yard-stick" for these 5 origins.
PS: If anyone wants to pay $300 a kilo then I expect a whole host of site sponsors would happily roast these CoE beans.
Hmm, just quietly, Id be having them pretty much right away. They were cupped within this time-frame, and given this score as they are now. Ive had some CoEs that had been sitting around for a while, even from last years CoE and almost seem flat and lifeless in comparison (apparently) to when they first received the greens. Just a thought. ;)Originally Posted by BaconMeister link=1228454500/20#20 date=1228660856
Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1228454500/0#11 date=1228530205
Thanks Andy, this was an excellent and extremely helpful explanation and I agree with you totally that these coffees are probably better than JBM given that the very batch has been tasted and judged, as opposed to a region generally.
Congratulations for negotiating and winning all these amazing beans! Another first for Australian coffee? Im expecting another newspaper article about this one...
Now just have to put together enought money for a self-Christmas-present...
This is a strikingly apt comparison, and taking Andys $1-per-cup estimate into account, the question arises:Originally Posted by sirhc8 link=1228454500/0#9 date=1228519640
"How often can you find 100+ serves of the worlds best of any kind of food or drink for $115 delivered?"
Speaking as a novice popcorn roaster with a temperamental superautomatic that chokes on its grinds half the time -- which ought to doubly disqualify me from even thinking about this. ;)
you can always ask Andy to roast it for you @ $300.00/KG ;D ;D
And a $20.00 plunger should do the brew nicely.
OK, Im up for this.
A chance for a benchmark - against which to measure all the other CS coffees we appreciate and enjoy.
Ill just have to forego one bottle of Dom over Xmas. Win some, lose some.
I think you won some there mate.
Roasted a batch of the Colombian Lot 3 about 2 nights ago, I thought I start with the cheapest of the batch ;). And Ive been smelling the gas the beans giving off through the one way valve, and I can report its fantastic... such a flavour hit! The Colombian Volcan Galeras smells bland in comparison (yes I also roasted this so theres something to compare with during the cupping).
Should I get the special $107 bag if Ive been roasting less than a month? What do you people suggest I get after I finish roasting the sample pack?
I know if I could afford it Dave, Id be jumping at the chance of owning some of the best beans in the world. If you do get em, theres no need to have to roast em straight away. Store them in an airy, dark, cool and dry spot somewhere and not close to anything with odours that the beans may absorb. In ideal storage conditions, they will last quite a long time, up to three years but I dont think I could wait that long.Originally Posted by davehoz link=1228454500/20#29 date=1229166210
Grab yourself a Starter Pack and learn how to roast these to your palate, and maybe a bag or two from the GreenBay selection. Once you are confident, you can give the CoE beans a try. :)
Are you happy with your roast at the moment? If you are I think its worth getting them. The cup of excellence beans I found very easy to roast as they are really evenly graded, which means first and second cracks are very uniform and easy to pick up.Originally Posted by davehoz link=1228454500/20#29 date=1229166210
Come on, give it a go!
However, if you really dont like what you are currently roasting. I suggest you get some Strictly hard beans (SHB) to get a feel of it, so most of the Central American beans, Colombian or Brazilian Daterra; which will be very similar in roasting character compare to the cup of excellence beans.
Thanks for the advice. Took a sample of a multi region blend of mine to the local GJs and they loved the taste. Would love to make it my signature blend, but dont know if Andy has enough beans to help me out.
50 % Zimbabwe Pezuru Estate AA
50 % Brazil Santos
Roasted using an Iroast 2.0 using the preset 2 option, pressing the coo/temp button with 6 minutes left on the clock. My brother reckons it tastes as good as the Campos Obama blend. Ive got a Breville grinder ($65), but does the espresso grind too corse. How much should a good grinder cost? Any brand recommendations?
Dave - good to see another home roaster showing his wears. Mate you really need to post the grinder question under "Grinders" in the main page. The short answer is that your home roasting of great beans will go to waste with a $60 blade grinder (assuming its blade at that price if that was the new price, but my comments apply irrespective of the "cutter" type). It will not be grinding fine enough or even enough.
Oh well, what have I got to lose ;)
I just ordered a pack.............. ;)
The payment should show in your account Monday / Tuesday Andy ;)
After drinking sad coffees around the world (especially in Asia) :-/ :(
Im looking forward to some "great coffee" ;D
Plus the challenge of getting it right first time in the roaster
Ill put some "training" into my roasting before roasting this lot ::)
Ill let you know how it all goes
Which Mountain Top makes the better tasting espresso?
My order arrived today. Cant wait to try out the CoE beans, have been reading up on them on the CoE website. And the Sumatran sounds pretty good too.
Thanks Andy, very fast service as always and much appreciated. Just in time for the Christmas break.
Dave, I enjoy both of them. Depends on your taste. The bin 549 is more different. There are threads in the cupping section of this site. Here is a summary from the MTE website:Originally Posted by davehoz link=1228454500/20#35 date=1230001811
Bin 478 - also derives from a semi-washed process, but is a more delicate and well balanced style of coffee; soft acidity, mellow sweetness and even body.
Bin 549 - is a late harvest semi-washed process; this is a little wild and gamey with a fruity, berry-style sweetness, perhaps not for all tastes, but very distinctive.
Originally Posted by davehoz link=1228454500/20#35 date=1230001811
I personally think the Bin 478 will be a better bet. I have tried the BIN35 myself, even though its very sweet and full of dark fruits, its quite single dimension in term of character... needs to be a bit brighter to be enjoyed as a single origin. Makes a good blending bean though, for those blend thats missing fruits and dark berry type sweetness.
Have read a few reviews regarding the Bin 478 and apparently its a more balanced cup in term of sweetness and acidity.
My CoE arrived today ;D
Thanks Andy for the quick service :)
After I get the Hottop ( thanks Greg & Robin for the quick service ) sorted with its settings ( I have a starter pack for this ) ;)
Ill be able to roast some CoE for "special occaisions" :)
If I can wait that long ::)
All the best for the season everone :D :) ;)
got some african red chocky coming, also got some very excited children who remember the last lot of it i got, mind you i have also been known to be partial to the odd african red hot chocky as well...... all the best for the christmas period.
remember what its all about and its not some fat guy in a red suit either,
Jesus is the reason for the season, and you are his motivation.... God bless you all. Ray.
Very nicely put Ray.
Enjoy the celebration!
I woke up to find a COE samle Pack with my name on it :) :) :) :)
Thanks to CSer Sammus for helping my Mrs organise it. I am roasting the Columbian this afternoon. Will aim to pull at 18 mins just before SC.
Mmmmm Aussie MTE when did that sneak into Greenbay?
If I can get the 478 anywhere near the Pioneer version I had a month or so back I will be a very happy snob ;)
[smiley=thumbup.gif] Nice one Andy
But why is the Mountain Top Coffee so expensive? I thought the whole farm is fully mechanized. Isnt that suppose to make the price cheaper as less labour is needed?
The Bin35 I tried before was a good coffee but not any better than the Blue Horse Harar, except its 2.5 times more expensive.
I mean the Mountain Top Coffee is already 1 up compare to import coffee by saving cost putting it on the ship and the cost of going through the quarantine.
So I am a bit puzzled here. :-? :-?
$2-3 per worker per day compared with a few $100k for a picking machine and add the skilled operater for another $50k+ ?
Still cheaper than buying roasted beans so I ordered 2.5 of each to add to the stash :)
There are only small quantities of these beans avaialble which would explain at least some of the higher price.Originally Posted by BaconMeister link=1228454500/40#44 date=1230652969
I dont see the problem here BM> If youve tried a cheaper bean and find it of equal or better quality then the answer is obvious.
Im gonna git some just to give it a try.
Mt Top Estate Bin Lots are Australias most distinctive coffees - these small, exclusive Bin Lots are not only the best individual batches of coffee from any given season; they are the most distinctive coffees that Australia produces.
All of these "Bin Lot" coffees are grown exclusively on the Mountain Top Estate and represent coffees that evoke emotions as to the essence of special coffees. These Bin Lot coffees will always be extremely rare and limited offerings as the quality benchmark is so high that we restrict volume.
seriously, you are comparing an aussie been with one of africas finest. The "blue horse" is a stand alone exceptional coffee been with fantastic reviews. Its like comparing a vespa to a ducati, there is simply no way it can be done, the worlds best coffees come out of ethiopia and surrounding regions, they have been doing this for eons with not only the expertise but also the altitude, soil, climate, rainfall, etc....
Out of all the african coffees I love and there are many, the "blue horse" is right up there.
To anyone who hasnt tried it, put it on your must do list, run it fully into second crack and cool immediatly, store and rest for at least 5 full days, if you are anything like me and lack patience I suggest you roast up 2 batches so the second batch at least has the opportunity to make it to the 5 day mark, I promise, you will not be dissapointed......
And while youre at it, you may also want to try the Kenya AA and the yirgacheffe as well, but just on second crack for those......
Flame suit on Ray but have you tried the MTE bin lots in question or were you going so fast on your Ducatti that you forgot that there are some good Aussie Beans and it is worth trying to slow down and apprieciate their aroma as well :)
If you have a bent on African being to your taste then so be it but to put down a bean as being inferior because it is not African or not to your taste is a bit harsh.
Maybe if the Possums from MTE could be trained to eat and excrete the beans they could charge over $100/kg green ;)
possum poop or simply crappaccino as we call it........ sorry if i sounded a bit harsh toward the aussie beens mate, maybe i was flying a little hard on my honda however i do really like the ducati as well.........
I am extremely bias toward the african beens and i really must watch how i express myself.