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    I understand that steaming milk which has already been steamed results in a loss of the sweetness due to the molecular changes which have already occured during the first steaming. *I learned this during some training and asked the trainer what cafes did with all of the left over milk. He said that his cafe threw out about 6 litres a day.
    I was wondering what other people do both in a domestic and commercial environment. I try to steam the minimum amount so that the next time around I use perhaps 25% old and 75% new.

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    Re: reheating milk

    That would be a little more than I would like (25%) you should be able to get that down a lot lower (5-10%) which will still give you acceptable results. If you were targeting the top of the market I would agree with the throwing out of the milk but that would only be the top 1% or so of cafes IMHO. Mind you 6 litres of milk is only around $10 so you are not talking big dollars.

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    Re: reheating milk

    In my domestic environment I dont waste any.
    I steam enough milk and no more.

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    Funny, we have been discussing this topic this afterrnoon ourselves. Weve been operating a coffee cart at the Noosa traiathalon this weekend, and even though we work with non recontstituted milk (more proteins to play with Ive been told by our milk supplier), we still have about 30% wastage.
    Were finding it a difficult balance between pouring the right amount of milk to start with, for the ordered beverage.
    More often than not, there always seems to be some margin between stretching the milk and pouring into the cup.
    A matter of touch and feel maybe??? :P

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    There should be no reason for excessive wastage, apart from bad judgement or a short macc on a quiet hour.

    The solution is to stock smaller pitchers, stretch the milk correctly and or experiment with how less of milk you can go. Over time with experience, youll figure out how much milk you ultimately need, without a huge amount going down the sink.

    I find just a lot of people will get an order for one latte, and top the milk up right to the starting point of the spout, without even thinking twice.

    But for the record, I cannot justify reheating milk, EVER. Go microwave an egg, once, twice, three times. Eat it and its probably around the same effect.

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    I go for as little left over after steaming as possible. If were quiet, that could mean going as far as measuring the milk out in a cup first before going into the jug for steaming (take away cups, plus its rinsed out before the shots go in to ensure the espresso shots dont hit a cold cup).

    If I can avoid throwing milk out, I do, but as soon as I think itd getting close to being yuck (ie: burnt), or theres a stupidly high amount of milk Id have to reheat then its off to the sink and I use a fresh jug & milk for the rest of the orders. If were quiet and the milk jug is unloved for longer than 5 min, the milk gets chucked as well.

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    Maybe I need to try steaming with a smaller pitcher...I have a 300ml one just havent experimented with it much

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37323D3D2A3B530 link=1256957373/6#6 date=1256994621
    Maybe I need to try steaming with a smaller pitcher...I have a 300ml one just havent experimented with it much
    Yea, definitely give the little one a shot. It wont take as long for the milk to heat of course, but thats the only thing that youll find different from the bigger jugs with larger volumes of milk.

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    Re: reheating milk

    Hi danny, I mainly use a 300ml jug and experience very little waste in the home environment, I only use my 600ml jugs when I have larger groups of people to cater for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 657067676C6F636C020 link=1256957373/8#8 date=1257022560
    Hi danny, I mainly use a 300ml jug and experience very little waste in the home environment, I only use my 600ml jugs when I have larger groups of people to cater for.
    Ditto.

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    I make two lattes in cappucino cups (will I burn in hell???) I find that the 600ml with milk to just below where the spout starts is just about the perfect amount of milk. If theres a little bit left over (it would be lucky to be 20ml) the it goes into the sink, but theres rarely any left over.

    Its just a case of experimenting, getting to know what you need for the cups you use in a home environment and only steaming that much. If Im only making one drink at a time, then I switch down to the 300ml and use that instead - fortunately Ive got Pete just about as hooked as I am on coffee, so this doesnt happen very often at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 705741534B380 link=1256957373/10#10 date=1257044828
    If theres a little bit left over (it would be lucky to be 20ml) the it goes into the sink,
    Not in my case.
    On the odd occasion theres a few ml left over I taste it.
    That way I have another way to judge if I got the milk right before tasting my coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0F283E2C34470 link=1256957373/10#10 date=1257044828
    If theres a little bit left over (it would be lucky to be 20ml) the it goes into the sink
    I drink it
    I love milk ;D

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    I have been trying the 300ml jug...of course it heats up faster than I am used to and have also found pouring (especially art) more tricky. I know I need to give it some time and keep practicing : )

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    Its all in the wrist. ;) Practice like a mad-man!

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    yeh i need to invite more people around for coffee so i can practice more I had a laugh

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    Now I have been using the 300 ml pitcher for about 1 week. I actually find that i am producing better microfoam...perhaps because steaming power is a bit of a weak point on the butterfly...with the lower volume of milk steaming power is relatively higher in that a more pronounced whirlpool occurs. I still find the pour not so good with this smaller pitcher so I transfer to my larger favorite. The bottom line is good result...no waste and now no reheating or throwing out milk.

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    when we are busy and i have over 15 coffees to make i normally get another colleague to work on coffees.. im a bit of a perfectionist & prefer to use smaller jugs for no more than 2 coffees at a time otherwise I cant properly make all coffees how they should be made i.e. an order for 2 cappuccinos and a latte.... you need to stretch quite a fair bit to get some nice foam for the caps but not so much for the latte but i like to pour rosettas so when making lattes or flat whites i prefer to use just a small jug on its own for them :)

    what are your thoughts on this?

    PS i hate using a massive jug to make lots of coffees :P

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    I am still finding that I get really good results producing microfoam with the 300 ml jug but i find it dfiifcult to pour with so I transfer to a larger one. The steaming with the 300ml jug is so much faster on my La Scala Butterfly..it must take just a few seconds on a commercial machine!

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    Wow, where I work we still use the milk from the previous coffees, yeah I know when I was taught, I was like "thats so not good...".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70316C67746770020 link=1256957373/19#19 date=1264857681
    Wow, where I work we still use the milk from the previous coffees, yeah I know when I was taught, I was like "thats so not good...".
    Why cant you just put enough milk in the right sized jug for the amount of coffees you need?
    Works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 605C415A505146535B50340 link=1256957373/20#20 date=1264860469
    Why cant you just put enough milk in the right sized jug for the amount of coffees you need?
    Works for me.
    Always straight to the point is Thundergod. *;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7E425F444E4F584D454E2A0 link=1256957373/2#2 date=1256975557
    In my domestic environment I dont waste any.
    I steam enough milk and no more.
    hahahaha, nailed it... thats gotta be my favourite line (in context) on CS so far...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5C7D7A6A67080 link=1256957373/22#22 date=1265600952
    Quote Originally Posted by 7E425F444E4F584D454E2A0 link=1256957373/2#2 date=1256975557
    In my domestic environment I dont waste any.
    I steam enough milk and no more. *
    hahahaha, nailed it... thats gotta be my favourite line (in context) on CS so far...
    Thanks Turbo.

    Ill also mention that in the few weeks I worked in a couple of quiet cafes, it was possible to do the same.

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    I cant comment on commercial practice, but in the home why would you want to waste any milk; pour it into a spare jug in the fridge - good for cereal, tea?, mashed potato, even drink it! ;)



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