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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
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    Ill take one.

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    It holds a LITRE of milk... thats a LOT of milk!

    It looks interesting, and I would like to give it a try, but it seems that while spinning the milk is good, circulating it vertically like the Toroid pitcher accomplishes would be superior. Additionally, I think it is designed to work with single-hole tips.

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    Looks like he was doing good milk but certainly not "perfect milk" I would put it in the nice try basket but like randy I would also like to give it a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1C2F202A371109604E0 link=1270830867/1#1 date=1270832895
    It holds a LITRE of milk... thats a LOT of milk!

    It looks interesting, and I would like to give it a try, but it seems that while spinning the milk is good, circulating it vertically like the Toroid pitcher accomplishes would be superior. *Additionally, I think it is designed to work with single-hole tips.
    I concur....

    His focus appears to be on improving consistency of milk; such that training and staff turnover does not have a major impact on the quality of teh coffee being sold / produced.

    I think the Latte art is the marketing focus to get around lack of passion.....

    1: Many coffee shops do not understand good texturing and if sold / marketed with this in mind... Many would just ignore it...

    2: Now with more people seeing and wanting to see Latte art etc... That same coffee shop that does not understand texturing... Will jump at the chance to to grab this as they can see that it might help them produce Latte art.

    Outcome = sales

    Flow on =

    1: For some places, it may actually improve their coffee
    2: Some staff will get even lazier
    3: Some coffee chains could take it up

    Na not for me... A good gimmick and I wish them well... If people get a better coffee from it... Then thats a plus.

    I want to be able to make textured milk when and where ever I am. KKs post and method is simple enough and works well.




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    For the purpose of the untrained seasonal staff, I think it would be a good idea - esp.ly since we do bust out the 1lt jug through the day and it can be hard to get the right texture in the larger size. Anything that stops SallyNewbie mushrooming a big bucket of milk is ok by me... next question: how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 606861646E6462787E0D0 link=1270830867/4#4 date=1270850325
    For the purpose of the untrained seasonal staff, I think it would be a good idea - esp.ly since we do bust out the 1lt jug through the day and it can be hard to get the right texture in the larger size. Anything that stops SallyNewbie mushrooming a big bucket of milk is ok by me... next question: how much?
    Central tube automatically spins the milk
    European Community design registered
    Light weight & durable
    Perfect spout for pouring Latte Art
    Excellent for new or current Baristas

    18:10 Stainless Steel
    Capacity - 1 litre
    The Milk to Perfection jug and thermometer are now available to purchase.

    The standard price is just £24.99 for the jug and £9.99 for the

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    $40~ aussie, before shipping. Would probably pay for itself, depending on how bad the milkwork was previously and how much the improvement translates into increased sales. I guess.

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    I smell gimick! ::)

    1. his shots look like crap......stale thin coffee :o

    2. For a person attempting to sell a latte art/milk texture "improving" jug, his art stinks, not saying that its all about the art, but if your selling it.......also the movie of him texturing.....the milk looks like a milkshake :o

    3. One thing i dont like about the design is the fact that its in two pieces, creating gaps and hidy holes for milk to ferment and stink.....

    On the other hand i would be interesting to see if it actually works, or whether it is in fact a gimmick......


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    Quote Originally Posted by 6F6B4D5454514E5956380 link=1270830867/7#7 date=1270858127
    I smell gimick! ::)

    1. his shots look like crap......stale thin coffee :o

    2. For a person attempting to sell a latte art/milk texture "improving" jug, his art stinks, not saying that its all about the art, but if your selling it.......also the movie of him texturing.....the milk looks like a milkshake :o

    3. One thing i dont like about the design is the fact that its in two pieces, creating gaps and hidy holes for milk to ferment and stink.....

    On the other hand i would be interesting to see if it actually works, or whether it is in fact a gimmick......
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    I agree with 2...my art is better.
    His milk was too thick from the looks of his art.

    And spinning isnt everything which is obvious by the thickness of his milk; he got too much air in.

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    Please ignore the size of the pitcher.

    Whats interesting is the CONCEPT.


    I can foam milk quite consistently now, but even then, Ill struggle with odd volumes.


    His discovery is just so absurdly simple, and if it helps milk spin faster, imagine what it would do for people with low powered thermoblock machines like me. Better quality foam on lower quality equipment!


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    CONCEPTS are interesting but what we are interested in is results, I can actually get excellent results from low power thermoblock machines with a small jug. Price about $15 available anywhere.

    Thinking about it further I doubt that the design would help with your machine anyway as the problem is the actual steam power of the machine. Good technique will outperform these "improvements" every time. (IMHO) ;)

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    Ever thought what the results could be like with:

    Good Technique + Technological Improvement?

    Flawless microfoam every time.

    I can pour rosettas about 80% of the time now with my 6910, but wouldnt it be great if it were 100% instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 514E4655585D5959340 link=1270830867/12#12 date=1270899814
    Ever thought what the results could be like with:

    Good Technique + Technological Improvement?

    Flawless microfoam every time.

    I can pour rosettas about 80% of the time now with my 6910, but wouldnt it be great if it were 100% instead?
    100%? :o buy one and prove us wrong ;D

    Im just saying if the guy selling the item isnt getting good results......then who will?

    IMHO there are way too many variables in milk texturing to get 100% perfectly textured milk......100% of the time. Milk age, temperature, fat and protein content, humidity etc etc etc play a bigger part in glossy milk as far as im concerned......

    But id love to see the results if you were to purchase said item.. ;)


    [edit]ive just noticed that it only comes as a 1lt, prolly a bit big for the 6910, ya could fabricate the item out of a cheap standard milk jug and some stainless tube.......[/edit]

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    Marketing scccchpiel if you ask me....

    Design a different looking jug and they will come...

    Who wants my handleless jug which imparts a corkscrew action on the milk as it pours into the cup? How you say? Useful as what on a what?? *:-?

    I guess that makes it the perfect jug. Now where can I get me some snake oil? ::)

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    I have some even better ideas...

    The French version - replace rod with the Eiffel Tower
    The US version - replace rod with the Statue of Liberty
    The OZ version - replace rod with a kangaroo and insert a thermometer in the tail. When the tail pops up you know its ready!

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    Re: Now Why Didnt Anyone Else Think Of This Before!!!

    Back to serious for just a moment.

    As I was texturing my milk this morning I realised theres a fundamental flaw in his design.

    To incorporate the air into the milk we all try to get the milk spinning to create a "whirlpool".
    His design only has the milk travelling in a circular path around the jug.
    Without the whirlpool effect the milk does not fold in on itself.
    This folding effect is what creates the microfoam; all hes doing is spinning his big bubbles around and around.

    OK, normal transmission is now resumed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0D312C373D3C2B3E363D590 link=1270830867/16#16 date=1270947033
    OK, normal transmission is now resumed.
    You could also add a thermometer to set off a little light at the top of the Eiffel Tower and Statue of Liberty when the milk is ready.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0D312C373D3C2B3E363D590 link=1270830867/16#16 date=1270947033
    Back to serious for just a moment.
    I think my ideas have more merit than the jug in question. They make the jug more desirable and have some practical advantages! ;)


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    Quote Originally Posted by 322D25363B3E3A3A570 link=1270830867/12#12 date=1270899814
    I can pour rosettas about 80% of the time now with my 6910, but wouldnt it be great if it were 100% instead?
    Go and get some training and practice and it will be 100%. Just so you know I am not bagging the product as I havent used it. I am able to do art 100% of the time when I am concentrating (but I have had a bit of practice) so I know it is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0E322F343E3F283D353E5A0 link=1270830867/16#16 date=1270947033
    Back to serious for just a moment.

    As I was texturing my milk this morning I realised theres a fundamental flaw in his design.

    To incorporate the air into the milk we all try to get the milk spinning to create a "whirlpool".
    His design only has the milk travelling in a circular path around the jug.

    Without the whirlpool effect the milk does not fold in on itself.
    This folding effect is what creates the microfoam; all hes doing is spinning his big bubbles around and around.

    OK, normal transmission is now resumed.
    I so agree. I am finding it difficult foaming milk when my .6L jug is less than half full for that reason. Perhaps I need a 300ml jug i dont know.

    Anyway, the idea of putting a knob at the bottom makes sense. Perhaps it doesnt have to be a straight baton, but any kind of dimple at the bottom will make milk spin better.

    A taller jug with a knob should be more condusive to making milk whirlpools.

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    Use the smallest jug you need to get the job done I reckon. Apart from when I am doing a mug of Hot choc at home only the 300ml jug gets used as I am only doing coffee at a time on the Pav. Even on the big steam with the Izzo if I am making a single 8oz I still use the small jug for preference as it gives a better result.

    Never used a toroid jug but I am planning to buy one in the next while to try, as to one of these above nope marketing hype and "spin" *::) *Anyone with half an idea will already do as well or better without the post I reckon.

    As to Denniss ideas of built in thermometers (needs to be self cleaning) I will take 6 please ;)

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    Just throwing out an idea to compliment Dennis idea: How about a built in thermocouple (melded with the stainless steel), with an attachable watch like thing that is easily removed when the jug is washed.

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    Problem with this is the thermal lag and the heatsink effect of the jug. The jug will continue to heat up after the milk has hit the desired temp. so the probe needs to sit out in the milk and this is then more of a pain to clean around, certainly in a commercial setting with potentially hamfisted dishpigs ;) .

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    I believe this product is really gimmicky. I can teach anyone proper technique in a few minutes and have them banging out silky smooth milk by themselves in under 30.

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    It would be cheaper to make a "rest" to rest the steam wand on to put the tip in the right position.

    Has anyone though about a square jug to encourage vertical mixing as well?

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    Flawed flawed flawed!!!

    He should not have made his little advertisement in a roasting house like he knew what he was on about for starters...

    He is either a rubish barista or he was using stale coffee...

    Like TG says..you need that spiral of folding milk in the centre to make a good microfoam...not a poll running up the middle of the jug to prevent it?...

    I think he needs to go back to whatever he was doing before working in his parents cafe....my guess is that he made this thing in metal work at school... :-?

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    Im sure he hopes to find enough people that dont know as much as us, to buy enough of his invention to make him a healthy profit.

    Thats why lots and lots of new products arrive on the shelves.

    Look at the morning TV shows full of advertorials.

    "Buy one get one free for only $100"
    Why cant I just buy 1 for $50? Because they wont unload as many that way.

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    Good call Chris, so.....whos ordering one? Baggs not ;D

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    Hey all - just recently been made aware that my product was being discussed on here so I thought id have a look and see what was being said.

    First of all, thanks to Ezralimm for posting this link up here!

    Secondly, its great to see people commenting on the product - good or bad, everyone has their own opinion. However, I would like to comment back to some of the statements above:

    The product was designed in my mind out of necessity. How many times do you walk into a cafe and end up being served a poor cup of coffee??? From my research I found that the huge staff turnover that this industry receives stops a lot of managers or cafe owners committing funds towards barista training as they find it expensive to offer to a member of staff who may leave in a couple of months. Understandable but inexcusable as without the relevant training of in my case tools, the quality of coffee provided is poor which then leads to lack of custom (unless you have a big name brand above your door) and eventually to closure.

    However, quite naturally throughout production of this product I have received mixed comments - some extremely positive and some, well........ not so positive... The more negative comments usually appear from barista trainers or advanced trained baristas, e.g. some of the comments above referencing that my milk was great but not perfect or my latte art was poor..... to this it is worth noting that on the day of filming this video I had not made a single coffee in 18 months and was still able to produce pretty good results - something im quite proud of if im honest. The problem with a couple of the coffees was the film crew left them sitting for a while before filming - naturally the coffee isnít going to look as good 20 minutes after being made. :(

    The product whilst some of you may smell gimmick, was not designed with this in mind. Over 3 years of research and development went into this product, trying many variations of the product like many mentioned above. However, I felt that this version created the best microfoam out of any jug I have created yet alone currently tried on the marketplace and trust me - I have tried many! With this in mind I then went down the route of taking out an intellectual property portfolio on the product as the idea was so simple yet so unique (and also to stop anyone who thought about fabricating one for themselves ;) )

    Also, a lot of people have mentioned the jug being quite large..... there is also a smaller size (35oz & 20oz). The larger jug being targeted more towards larger chains of coffee shops who take on seasonal staff and supply little or no training.

    Anyway, if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask away and ill try my best to answer them.

    Thanks again!

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    good on you for having a go GJS and also for joining us here in CS land

    good luck with your product :)

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    Best of luck Graeme.. This world needs more more innovation. *Be it in coffee or any other industries. *Thanks for putting in the thought....

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    Thanks Maheel & SPL.G

    Heres a link to another vid of the product....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-4YA0GkUgU

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    Why no 10oz?

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    Havent been asked for one yet but ill certainly look into it when i place my next order.

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